Puella Magi Adfligo Systema

[Subrosian_Smithy]

Comrades, I call you all to drop our current plans of action and pursue the pigeon threat. Quickly, before Sayaka's very Soul is consumed, if it hasn't been already.

Click to shrink...

How sure are we that Feathers isn't a pigeon?

 

[mCooperative]

How sure are we that Feathers isn't a pigeon?

Click to shrink...

Not very, apparently:

Black Imperial Pigeon

Spoiler: Feathers

 

[Onmur]

I want to congratulate @Script Mak3r for accidentally apparently being part of every single conspiracy ever.

 

[Script Mak3r]

I want to congratulate @Script Mak3r for accidentally apparently being part of every single conspiracy ever.

Click to shrink...

Fact: Half-Life 3 will involve the Illuminati, but actual members will be rolling their eyes at all the things Valve gets wrong.

 

[Raiseth]

But since when are we Russian?! We don't have nearly enough vodka to be Russian.

Click to shrink...

You don't need vodka to be Russian.

Grief balalaikas and a stronk akcent will suffice.

 

[Kaizuki]

Spoiler: Giant discord transcript. Phoenixian transcribes Sadness Prayer and Kaizuki translates it.

Yvonne-Today at 12:58 PM
(Page 47)
Different, more caligraphic font. Either Shuchiro Mikuni or Kenzaburo:
邪魔 者を陥れ
無能を切り捨てる

Kenzaburo:
それも彼の
手腕のうちだが
恐ろしい人だった

Oriko:
話を逸らさないで
祖父と
父の話になんの
関 係があるの?

Kenzaburo:
切り捨てられた
無能のちうには
彼のこどももいた
美国 久臣だ
(Page break to p48)(edited)
(p47, according to google)
Different, more caligraphic font. Either Shuchiro Mikuni or Kenzaburo:

I got a nuisance
Truncate incompetence

Kenzaburo:
It's also his
I am skillful.
It was a horrible person

Oriko:
Do not talk
With my grandfather
What's on my father's story?
Is there a relationship?

Kenzaburo:
Truncated
Incompatible
He also had children
Mikuni Hisaomi
(edited)
Yvonne-Today at 4:07 PM
(Page 48)
Kenzaburo:
きみが修一郎氏に
会ったことが無いのも
仕方がない

君達一家は
美国修の敷居を跨(また)ぐことを
許されていなかつたのだ

公秀君はそれに
反発していたようだが

久臣くんは
大人たなつてもなお
父を恐れていたようだ

私が
修一郎氏の
昔話をすると

顔色が
変わつていたよ

Oriko:
話を
逸らさないでと
言つてるの!
(Page break to p49)(edited)
(Page 48)
Kenzaburo:
It can not be helped you never met Shuichiro

You guys were not allowed to cross the threshold of Mikuni Shuichiro [name translated, may be imperfect]

It seems that Kimihide was rebelling against it

Hisaomi-kun seemed to have been afraid of his father even though he was an adult

When I talked about Mr. Shuichiro's old story

My complexion had changed

Oriko:
I'm telling you not to talk!
[Other iterations of the google translation look like she may be telling him off for irrelevant details]
(Page break to p49)(edited)
(Page 49)
Oriko:
もういい
父を貶め死に追いやった
貴方を許さない

Kenzaburo:
私が?
佝を言っているのだね
殺したのはきみだ
国 織莉子
(Page Break to p50)(edited)
(Page 49, google translated)
Oriko:
enough
I will not forgive you who defeated my father and killed himself

Kenzaburo:
I?
You are telling me き You are the one who killed you
(alterate translation: I am talking about you, it is you who killed me)

Mikuni Oriko
(Page Break to p50)(edited)
Translation seems pretty broken, but I'm reading it as: "You drove my father to suicide!" "No, Oriko, you drove your father to suicide."
My reading in this case is also because of Oriko's shocked stare, and the fact that the next page cuts to a young Oriko.(edited)
Yvonne-Today at 5:41 PM
(Page 50)
Flashback, appears to be Oriko narrating:

由良子が
亡くなって

織莉子は
変わってしまった

泣き虫だった
あの子が
まったく泣かなく
なった

なんでもそつなく
こなすようになり

進学すると
多くの人望を集め
人の上に立つように
なった

僕の子とは思えないほどに
｢出来すぎる｣ようになった
(Page break to p51)
(Page 50, google translated)
Flashback, appears to be Oriko narrating:

Yuruko passed away

Oriko has changed

That child, who was a crybaby, ceased to cry at all

It began to do anything without any

When I go on to higher education, I gather a lot of people's attention and I stand on people

I became "too much" to the extent I could not imagine being a child
(Page break to p51)
Onmar-Today at 7:03 PM
You doing Madokami's work
/Pat Yvonne and Kai and Google Translate
̣BOT-Today at 7:03 PM
( ＾ᴗ＾)ノ" headpats Yvonne and Kai and Google Translate
Yvonne-Today at 7:11 PM
(Page 51, continuing flashback, Hisaomi is meeting Kenzaburo)
Kenzaburo, to Hisaomi:
そうか
国政をやるのかね
もちろん後押し
させてもらうよ

Narration:
僕は怖い

僕は
知っている

Hisaomi:
お願いします
先生

Narration:
能力高く
人望があり

Speech bubble, appears to be Hisaomi:
お父様
お茶を持つて
りました

Narration:
微笑みの中に
冷たさを湛(たた)えた
人間を

Kenzaburo:
いやはやさすが
美国君の娘さんだ
(Page break to p52)
(page 51, google translation)
Kenzaburo, to Hisaomi:
Really
Are you going to do national affairs, of course I will boost you

Narration:
I am afraid I know it

Hisaomi:
Please
teacher

Narration:
Capable and highly promising

Speech bubble, appears to be Hisaomi:
I had a father's tea

Narration:
Human beings who coldly smiled

Kenzaburo:
No, no doubt it is Mikuni's daughter
(Page break to p 52)
Yvonne-Today at 8:05 PM
(Page 52)
End flashback, return to present time

Probably Kenzaburo?:
親たも子たも切り捨てられては堪らん

Probably Oriko?:
自分の無能さを悟られたくなくて

国政などと
不相応に背伸びを
したのだろう

Kenzaburo
きみは誰よりも
彼た似ている

「美国」た

美国修一郎氏た

Narration, may be the diary:
もう僕た疲れた
逃げようと思う

Oriko, wide eyed and sweating:
矢らない

会ったこともない人は
関係ない
(Page break to p53)
(Page 52, google translation)
Probably Kenzaburo ?:
Parents and girls are not assured that they are truncated

Probably Oriko ?:
I would not have wanted to realize my incompetence and stretched out disproportionately with national affairs etc.

Kenzaburo
You look more like him than anyone

"A beautiful country"
Mr. Shuichiro Mikuni

Narration, may be the diary:
I am already tired.
I think I will run away

Oriko, wide eyed and sweating:
People who have never met are irrelevant
(Page break to p53)
(Page 53)
Narration, likely the diary:
この世(織莉子)から
逃げようと思う

Oriko, angry:
殺す！
貴方を殺す！

父の無念を
たらす

わたしは...
わたしの父の理想を
...!

Kenzaburo, probably:
きみは
こちら側の
人間だ
(Page break to p54)
(Page 53, google translation)
Narration, likely the diary:
From this world (Oriko)
I think I will run away

Oriko, angry:
kill!
I will kill you!

Either:
To get rid of my father
I ... My ideal of my father ...!
Or:
I lose my father's mind ... my ideal of my father ...!

Kenzaburo, probably:
You are the one on this side
(Page break to p 54)
Just two more pages of this conversation.
Yvonne-Today at 9:29 PM
(Page 54)
Probably Oriko:
自分の理想の為に

他者を切り捨て
消すことを
厭わない人間だ

Looks like it switches to Kenzaburo here:
だから私は
思う

きみが
政(まつりごと)をよったら
面白 かろうと

Oriko: *Flashes back to Sasa and how Mio witched out Lina. Looks like the theme is "people she talked into dying" She looks kinda horrified*
(Page break to p55)(edited)
(Page 54, google translation)
Probably Oriko:
It is a human who is willing to cut off another person for his ideal

Looks like it switches to Kenzaburo here:
That's why I thought it would be interesting if you go to politics (matsuri)

Oriko: * Flashes back to Sasa and how Mio witched out Lina. Looks like the theme is "people she talked into dying" She looks kinda horrified *
(Page break to p55)(edited)
(Page 55)
Unknown Person:
先生
どなたか
いらっしやって
たのですか？

Kenzaburo:
いいや
一人で呑んでいたよ

Unknown person:
そうてすか
人の声が聞こえたような
気がしたもので

Kenzaburo, probably:
風の音じやないかな

*Kenzaburo offers the person what looks like a sake bottle*

*Cut to Kirika and what seems to be the sound of things breaking*
(Page break to p56)(edited)
(Page 55, google translation)
Unknown Person:
teacher
Did anyone come in?

Kenzaburo:
No
I was drinking alone

Unknown person:
I see
I felt like I could hear people 's voice

Kenzaburo, probably:
I wonder if there are sounds of wind

* Kenzaburo offers the person what looks like a sake bottle *

* Cut to Kirika and what seems to be the sound of things breaking *
(Page break to p 56)(edited)
(page 56)
* Kirika walks in on Oriko screaming and breaking things *
Annnnnnd. that's that conversation.
Gonna call it here for today.
If @Kaizuki or someone wants to give a proper translation, now it's complete.
I may take a look at Oriko and Kirika's conversation after this, which goes to the end of the chapter.
But that'll be later.
Onmar-Today at 9:41 PM
hugs the witch
Redshirt Army-Today at 9:41 PM
Thank you
This'll probably be very helpful
Yvonne-Today at 9:41 PM
So yeah, I think the "killed his wife" angle is wrong. Instead it's "Was afraid of his daughter, who resembled her grandfather way, waaaaay to much for comfort."
Onmar-Today at 9:42 PM
I'm kind of not connecting Kirika's reaction wholly with this :/
specially given the framing of the scene in SP 3
AuraTwilight-Today at 9:44 PM
well
Yvonne-Today at 9:44 PM
It's Kirika. "You left your fucking daughter alone in the world, because you were afraid her? YOU ASSHOLE." Seems like a Kirika response.
AuraTwilight-Today at 9:44 PM
I can see "Oriko's father fucking hated her" as justifying it.
Oriko thought her father was her only ally
and suffered through all of this in the name of that belief
and Kirika learned that her father never believed in her.
that everything Oriko suffered for was a lie.
Yvonne-Today at 9:46 PM
Well, their conversation is six more pages. I should be able to get through that with a day of work.
Or so.
Kaizuki-Today at 10:06 PM
美国修一郎 きみの祖父だ きみは会ったことはないだろうが Shuichiro Mikuni Your grandfather I don't think you ever met him, but 彼は 政治手腕もだが その人柄で 人気があってね He had political skill as well With that personality, he is/was popular with the people, and appeared elegant/good/nice, so he was beloved ただ But 彼の返く... 特にこども逹は 彼がそれだはの 人間ではないことを 知っていた Especially when he returned (when he retired??? He might well have been a diet member before a time when it would have been convenient for him to return home routinely?) the children knew that he wasn't human. Okay this next bit really requires someone who is in the know. 者 is one of many kanji for "person." 邪魔者 is, in this context, literally referring to someone who is in the way. 陥れ I have no idea about -- best Jisho is giving me is fall... eh, hold on. Can't believe I'm doing this but let's break out the paperback dictionary... Fall, entrap, ensnare, sink, capture, surrender... Probably entrap or capture here? 邪魔者を陥れ (I) entrapped (someone who was) an obstacle (in my way). 無能 Noun, "incompetent person." 切り捨てる Transitive verb, "to cut down; to slay." Literally, "I entrapped someone who was in my way. (I) Kill incompetent people."
Everything after that is almost fill-in-the-blanks with that context.
I have no idea whether the grandfather was corrupt or not
but either way, he was murderously competent.
And I rather don't think, based on the stuff about Kimihide "rebelling against it" and Hisaomi being afraid of him, that he was anything less than an absolutely uncompromising disciplinarian.
He wouldn't have allowed his children to be incompetent...
That's the sort of attitude that is being conveyed here.
And anyone who crossed him -- they'd be killed.
I can definitely see Hisaomi killing himself if his daughter was turning out the same way...
Yvonne-Today at 10:13 PM
Yeah, and Oriko definitely echoes him near the end.
Kaizuki-Today at 10:13 PM
Damn straight.
Yvonne-Today at 10:13 PM
... Hold on, I think I need to hunt for some typos. Found one already.
Or rather, feel free to continue, but I will be hunting for them.
What I found was pretty near the end.
But I'm going to go through and make sure the symbol count in stuff matches up to the manga.
...or not. It looks like my ride just arrived.
Bah, will be back to proofread in a couple hours.
And thanks for your help Kai.
Kaizuki-Today at 10:22 PM
Oriko, angry: 殺す！ 貴方を殺す！ "I'll kill you! I'll kill you!" 父の無念を たらす Can't make heads or tails of that. I'd guess at there being some aphorism for suicide in there, and Oriko... Uhm. わたしは... わたしの父の理想を "I... My father's ideals...!" 自分の理想の為に For the same of my ideals -- or "because of my ideals" -- I think it's the former 他者を切り捨て 消すことを 厭わない人間だ (I) am not a person who detests slaying and erasing others.(edited)
> Oriko concluding that she's totally her grandfather
Ot3'd Sketchy Lurker-Today at 10:23 PM
holy shit kai
you da real MVP
BRINA Gangsta!Gold! BEST MATCH!-Today at 10:28 PM
Ah
...Oriko you fucked up in da head
Kaizuki-Today at 10:32 PM
政をよったら 面白 かろうと 政 -- government よったら -- hypothetical quantifier form attached to either よう, よつ, or よる -- it would be rather helpful if it was written as a fucking kanji but it's not. My inclination is to agree with translate and treat it as よる with the definition "to choose, to select" because that's the only way it makes sense, I think. 面白 かろうと -- everything after 面白 か is over my head. But 面白 か is 面白, "interesting", with a question designator attached. So I'm guessing google is pretty right and this is Kenzaburo asking Oriko whether she thinks choosing politics would be interesting.
sighs
scuse me(edited)

The fallout of this is as follows: that fucking diary? Basically describes how Oriko drove her father to suicide by coming off as too much like his Illuminati-boss diet member Father who may or may not have been corrupt but is totally confirmed to have been the kind of guy to casually murder people for being incompetent and/or in his way, and all his kids were scared shitless of him and thought he wasn't human.
Yurako's death (by hisaomi or the grandfather, unclear, personal theory is grandpa ordered it and Hisaomi was too scared to say no) ended up turning Oriko into Grandfather 2.0 and Hisaomi couldn't deal at all. So he hung himself. And then Oriko promptly proved him right by going around being completely okay with -- well, she literally says, "I am not a person who detests slaying and erasing others." And we promptly get images of all the people she has puppeteered into being murdered, etc.

So... That thing is just bad. Let's toss it in a grief bubble and forget about the damn thing until Sadness Prayer concludes and we know for certain whether to burn it.

(*) Meanwhile, Kirika thinks Hisaomi is Oriko's enemy because his response to Oriko trying to grow up quickly to help him while idolizing him was to be scared shitless of her and fucking kill himself, which promptly led to her actually becoming the person he was scared that she was.

All he had to do was love her. Instead he caused her fall into, well, her grandfather / his father.

Catgirl's note: I am far from fluent in Japanese. We won't have a concrete basis until the official translation comes out. However, everything before the (*) is very high confidence, like, 99.5%. The stuff about why specifically Kirika hates Hisaomi is admittedly conjecture, but it's probably the case?

 

[HeroCycle]

You don't need vodka to be Russian.

Grief balalaikas and a stronk akcent will suffice.

Click to shrink...

Da, Sabrina-tovarishch.

I wanted to place a question in the minds of those who wish to not read the diary.
It was out on the desk for an extended period.
How would that happen? If his last act was to write, and leave that out, it would no longer be on the desk. Investigators would have read it, and likely returned it to a shelf or drawer.
IMHO, Oriko is the one who left it on the desk.
She already knows what is inside, at least a fragment of same. Thus, at some point the knowledge of his last words to her may become useful when it becomes time to help her.

 

[Raiseth]

Spoiler: Giant discord transcript. Phoenixian transcribes Sadness Prayer and Kaizuki translates it.

Yvonne-Today at 12:58 PM
(Page 47)
Different, more caligraphic font. Either Shuchiro Mikuni or Kenzaburo:
邪魔 者を陥れ
無能を切り捨てる

Kenzaburo:
それも彼の
手腕のうちだが
恐ろしい人だった

Oriko:
話を逸らさないで
祖父と
父の話になんの
関 係があるの?

Kenzaburo:
切り捨てられた
無能のちうには
彼のこどももいた
美国 久臣だ
(Page break to p48)(edited)
(p47, according to google)
Different, more caligraphic font. Either Shuchiro Mikuni or Kenzaburo:

I got a nuisance
Truncate incompetence

Kenzaburo:
It's also his
I am skillful.
It was a horrible person

Oriko:
Do not talk
With my grandfather
What's on my father's story?
Is there a relationship?

Kenzaburo:
Truncated
Incompatible
He also had children
Mikuni Hisaomi
(edited)
Yvonne-Today at 4:07 PM
(Page 48)
Kenzaburo:
きみが修一郎氏に
会ったことが無いのも
仕方がない

君達一家は
美国修の敷居を跨(また)ぐことを
許されていなかつたのだ

公秀君はそれに
反発していたようだが

久臣くんは
大人たなつてもなお
父を恐れていたようだ

私が
修一郎氏の
昔話をすると

顔色が
変わつていたよ

Oriko:
話を
逸らさないでと
言つてるの!
(Page break to p49)(edited)
(Page 48)
Kenzaburo:
It can not be helped you never met Shuichiro

You guys were not allowed to cross the threshold of Mikuni Shuichiro [name translated, may be imperfect]

It seems that Kimihide was rebelling against it

Hisaomi-kun seemed to have been afraid of his father even though he was an adult

When I talked about Mr. Shuichiro's old story

My complexion had changed

Oriko:
I'm telling you not to talk!
[Other iterations of the google translation look like she may be telling him off for irrelevant details]
(Page break to p49)(edited)
(Page 49)
Oriko:
もういい
父を貶め死に追いやった
貴方を許さない

Kenzaburo:
私が?
佝を言っているのだね
殺したのはきみだ
国 織莉子
(Page Break to p50)(edited)
(Page 49, google translated)
Oriko:
enough
I will not forgive you who defeated my father and killed himself

Kenzaburo:
I?
You are telling me き You are the one who killed you
(alterate translation: I am talking about you, it is you who killed me)

Mikuni Oriko
(Page Break to p50)(edited)
Translation seems pretty broken, but I'm reading it as: "You drove my father to suicide!" "No, Oriko, you drove your father to suicide."
My reading in this case is also because of Oriko's shocked stare, and the fact that the next page cuts to a young Oriko.(edited)
Yvonne-Today at 5:41 PM
(Page 50)
Flashback, appears to be Oriko narrating:

由良子が
亡くなって

織莉子は
変わってしまった

泣き虫だった
あの子が
まったく泣かなく
なった

なんでもそつなく
こなすようになり

進学すると
多くの人望を集め
人の上に立つように
なった

僕の子とは思えないほどに
｢出来すぎる｣ようになった
(Page break to p51)
(Page 50, google translated)
Flashback, appears to be Oriko narrating:

Yuruko passed away

Oriko has changed

That child, who was a crybaby, ceased to cry at all

It began to do anything without any

When I go on to higher education, I gather a lot of people's attention and I stand on people

I became "too much" to the extent I could not imagine being a child
(Page break to p51)
Onmar-Today at 7:03 PM
You doing Madokami's work
/Pat Yvonne and Kai and Google Translate
̣BOT-Today at 7:03 PM
( ＾ᴗ＾)ノ" headpats Yvonne and Kai and Google Translate
Yvonne-Today at 7:11 PM
(Page 51, continuing flashback, Hisaomi is meeting Kenzaburo)
Kenzaburo, to Hisaomi:
そうか
国政をやるのかね
もちろん後押し
させてもらうよ

Narration:
僕は怖い

僕は
知っている

Hisaomi:
お願いします
先生

Narration:
能力高く
人望があり

Speech bubble, appears to be Hisaomi:
お父様
お茶を持つて
りました

Narration:
微笑みの中に
冷たさを湛(たた)えた
人間を

Kenzaburo:
いやはやさすが
美国君の娘さんだ
(Page break to p52)
(page 51, google translation)
Kenzaburo, to Hisaomi:
Really
Are you going to do national affairs, of course I will boost you

Narration:
I am afraid I know it

Hisaomi:
Please
teacher

Narration:
Capable and highly promising

Speech bubble, appears to be Hisaomi:
I had a father's tea

Narration:
Human beings who coldly smiled

Kenzaburo:
No, no doubt it is Mikuni's daughter
(Page break to p 52)
Yvonne-Today at 8:05 PM
(Page 52)
End flashback, return to present time

Probably Kenzaburo?:
親たも子たも切り捨てられては堪らん

Probably Oriko?:
自分の無能さを悟られたくなくて

国政などと
不相応に背伸びを
したのだろう

Kenzaburo
きみは誰よりも
彼た似ている

「美国」た

美国修一郎氏た

Narration, may be the diary:
もう僕た疲れた
逃げようと思う

Oriko, wide eyed and sweating:
矢らない

会ったこともない人は
関係ない
(Page break to p53)
(Page 52, google translation)
Probably Kenzaburo ?:
Parents and girls are not assured that they are truncated

Probably Oriko ?:
I would not have wanted to realize my incompetence and stretched out disproportionately with national affairs etc.

Kenzaburo
You look more like him than anyone

"A beautiful country"
Mr. Shuichiro Mikuni

Narration, may be the diary:
I am already tired.
I think I will run away

Oriko, wide eyed and sweating:
People who have never met are irrelevant
(Page break to p53)
(Page 53)
Narration, likely the diary:
この世(織莉子)から
逃げようと思う

Oriko, angry:
殺す！
貴方を殺す！

父の無念を
たらす

わたしは...
わたしの父の理想を
...!

Kenzaburo, probably:
きみは
こちら側の
人間だ
(Page break to p54)
(Page 53, google translation)
Narration, likely the diary:
From this world (Oriko)
I think I will run away

Oriko, angry:
kill!
I will kill you!

Either:
To get rid of my father
I ... My ideal of my father ...!
Or:
I lose my father's mind ... my ideal of my father ...!

Kenzaburo, probably:
You are the one on this side
(Page break to p 54)
Just two more pages of this conversation.
Yvonne-Today at 9:29 PM
(Page 54)
Probably Oriko:
自分の理想の為に

他者を切り捨て
消すことを
厭わない人間だ

Looks like it switches to Kenzaburo here:
だから私は
思う

きみが
政(まつりごと)をよったら
面白 かろうと

Oriko: *Flashes back to Sasa and how Mio witched out Lina. Looks like the theme is "people she talked into dying" She looks kinda horrified*
(Page break to p55)(edited)
(Page 54, google translation)
Probably Oriko:
It is a human who is willing to cut off another person for his ideal

Looks like it switches to Kenzaburo here:
That's why I thought it would be interesting if you go to politics (matsuri)

Oriko: * Flashes back to Sasa and how Mio witched out Lina. Looks like the theme is "people she talked into dying" She looks kinda horrified *
(Page break to p55)(edited)
(Page 55)
Unknown Person:
先生
どなたか
いらっしやって
たのですか？

Kenzaburo:
いいや
一人で呑んでいたよ

Unknown person:
そうてすか
人の声が聞こえたような
気がしたもので

Kenzaburo, probably:
風の音じやないかな

*Kenzaburo offers the person what looks like a sake bottle*

*Cut to Kirika and what seems to be the sound of things breaking*
(Page break to p56)(edited)
(Page 55, google translation)
Unknown Person:
teacher
Did anyone come in?

Kenzaburo:
No
I was drinking alone

Unknown person:
I see
I felt like I could hear people 's voice

Kenzaburo, probably:
I wonder if there are sounds of wind

* Kenzaburo offers the person what looks like a sake bottle *

* Cut to Kirika and what seems to be the sound of things breaking *
(Page break to p 56)(edited)
(page 56)
* Kirika walks in on Oriko screaming and breaking things *
Annnnnnd. that's that conversation.
Gonna call it here for today.
If @Kaizuki or someone wants to give a proper translation, now it's complete.
I may take a look at Oriko and Kirika's conversation after this, which goes to the end of the chapter.
But that'll be later.
Onmar-Today at 9:41 PM
hugs the witch
Redshirt Army-Today at 9:41 PM
Thank you
This'll probably be very helpful
Yvonne-Today at 9:41 PM
So yeah, I think the "killed his wife" angle is wrong. Instead it's "Was afraid of his daughter, who resembled her grandfather way, waaaaay to much for comfort."
Onmar-Today at 9:42 PM
I'm kind of not connecting Kirika's reaction wholly with this :/
specially given the framing of the scene in SP 3
AuraTwilight-Today at 9:44 PM
well
Yvonne-Today at 9:44 PM
It's Kirika. "You left your fucking daughter alone in the world, because you were afraid her? YOU ASSHOLE." Seems like a Kirika response.
AuraTwilight-Today at 9:44 PM
I can see "Oriko's father fucking hated her" as justifying it.
Oriko thought her father was her only ally
and suffered through all of this in the name of that belief
and Kirika learned that her father never believed in her.
that everything Oriko suffered for was a lie.
Yvonne-Today at 9:46 PM
Well, their conversation is six more pages. I should be able to get through that with a day of work.
Or so.
Kaizuki-Today at 10:06 PM
美国修一郎 きみの祖父だ きみは会ったことはないだろうが Shuichiro Mikuni Your grandfather I don't think you ever met him, but 彼は 政治手腕もだが その人柄で 人気があってね He had political skill as well With that personality, he is/was popular with the people, and appeared elegant/good/nice, so he was beloved ただ But 彼の返く... 特にこども逹は 彼がそれだはの 人間ではないことを 知っていた Especially when he returned (when he retired??? He might well have been a diet member before a time when it would have been convenient for him to return home routinely?) the children knew that he wasn't human. Okay this next bit really requires someone who is in the know. 者 is one of many kanji for "person." 邪魔者 is, in this context, literally referring to someone who is in the way. 陥れ I have no idea about -- best Jisho is giving me is fall... eh, hold on. Can't believe I'm doing this but let's break out the paperback dictionary... Fall, entrap, ensnare, sink, capture, surrender... Probably entrap or capture here? 邪魔者を陥れ (I) entrapped (someone who was) an obstacle (in my way). 無能 Noun, "incompetent person." 切り捨てる Transitive verb, "to cut down; to slay." Literally, "I entrapped someone who was in my way. (I) Kill incompetent people."
Everything after that is almost fill-in-the-blanks with that context.
I have no idea whether the grandfather was corrupt or not
but either way, he was murderously competent.
And I rather don't think, based on the stuff about Kimihide "rebelling against it" and Hisaomi being afraid of him, that he was anything less than an absolutely uncompromising disciplinarian.
He wouldn't have allowed his children to be incompetent...
That's the sort of attitude that is being conveyed here.
And anyone who crossed him -- they'd be killed.
I can definitely see Hisaomi killing himself if his daughter was turning out the same way...
Yvonne-Today at 10:13 PM
Yeah, and Oriko definitely echoes him near the end.
Kaizuki-Today at 10:13 PM
Damn straight.
Yvonne-Today at 10:13 PM
... Hold on, I think I need to hunt for some typos. Found one already.
Or rather, feel free to continue, but I will be hunting for them.
What I found was pretty near the end.
But I'm going to go through and make sure the symbol count in stuff matches up to the manga.
...or not. It looks like my ride just arrived.
Bah, will be back to proofread in a couple hours.
And thanks for your help Kai.
Kaizuki-Today at 10:22 PM
Oriko, angry: 殺す！ 貴方を殺す！ "I'll kill you! I'll kill you!" 父の無念を たらす Can't make heads or tails of that. I'd guess at there being some aphorism for suicide in there, and Oriko... Uhm. わたしは... わたしの父の理想を "I... My father's ideals...!" 自分の理想の為に For the same of my ideals -- or "because of my ideals" -- I think it's the former 他者を切り捨て 消すことを 厭わない人間だ (I) am not a person who detests slaying and erasing others.(edited)
> Oriko concluding that she's totally her grandfather
Ot3'd Sketchy Lurker-Today at 10:23 PM
holy shit kai
you da real MVP
BRINA Gangsta!Gold! BEST MATCH!-Today at 10:28 PM
Ah
...Oriko you fucked up in da head
Kaizuki-Today at 10:32 PM
政をよったら 面白 かろうと 政 -- government よったら -- hypothetical quantifier form attached to either よう, よつ, or よる -- it would be rather helpful if it was written as a fucking kanji but it's not. My inclination is to agree with translate and treat it as よる with the definition "to choose, to select" because that's the only way it makes sense, I think. 面白 かろうと -- everything after 面白 か is over my head. But 面白 か is 面白, "interesting", with a question designator attached. So I'm guessing google is pretty right and this is Kenzaburo asking Oriko whether she thinks choosing politics would be interesting.
sighs
scuse me(edited)

The fallout of this is as follows: that fucking diary? Basically describes how Oriko drove her father to suicide by coming off as too much like his Illuminati-Mafia-Grandfather who may or may not have been corrupt but is totally confirmed to have been the kind of guy to casually murder people for being incompetent and/or in his way, and all his kids were scared shitless of him and thought he wasn't human. Oriko choosing to grow up when Kimihide was killed by Oriko's grandfather for "rebelling" against the grandfather's dictates ended up turning Oriko into Grandfather 2.0 and Hisaomi couldn't deal at all. So he hung himself. And then Oriko promptly proved him right by going around being completely okay with -- well, she literally says, "I am not a person who detests slaying and erasing others." And we promptly get images of all the people she has puppeteered into being murdered, etc.

So... That thing is just bad. Let's toss it in a grief bubble and forget about the damn thing until Sadness Prayer concludes and we know for certain whether to burn it.

(*) Meanwhile, Kirika thinks Hisaomi is Oriko's enemy because his response to Oriko trying to grow up quickly to help him while idolizing him was to be scared shitless of her and fucking kill himself, which promptly led to her actually becoming the person he was scared that she was.

All he had to do was love her. Instead he caused her fall into, well, her grandfather / his father.

Catgirl's note: I am far from fluent in Japanese. We won't have a concrete basis until the official translation comes out. However, everything before the (*) is very high confidence, like, 99.5%. The stuff about why specifically Kirika hates Hisaomi is admittedly conjecture, but it's probably the case?

Click to shrink...

Sooooo

The working version for now is that Hisaomi was triggered by Oriko acting too much like his father?

Japaaan.

I swear, there is nothing simple in Japan. I'd bet if Creed was Japanese, he'd become an outright Tzeentch cultist.

 

[Kaizuki]

Edited previous post: id misunderstood Kimihide to be Oriko's mother when in fact he's her uncle.

 

[The Phoenixian]

Spoiler: Giant discord transcript. Phoenixian transcribes Sadness Prayer and Kaizuki translates it.

Yvonne-Today at 12:58 PM
(Page 47)
Different, more caligraphic font. Either Shuchiro Mikuni or Kenzaburo:
邪魔 者を陥れ
無能を切り捨てる

Kenzaburo:
それも彼の
手腕のうちだが
恐ろしい人だった

Oriko:
話を逸らさないで
祖父と
父の話になんの
関 係があるの?

Kenzaburo:
切り捨てられた
無能のちうには
彼のこどももいた
美国 久臣だ
(Page break to p48)(edited)
(p47, according to google)
Different, more caligraphic font. Either Shuchiro Mikuni or Kenzaburo:

I got a nuisance
Truncate incompetence

Kenzaburo:
It's also his
I am skillful.
It was a horrible person

Oriko:
Do not talk
With my grandfather
What's on my father's story?
Is there a relationship?

Kenzaburo:
Truncated
Incompatible
He also had children
Mikuni Hisaomi
(edited)
Yvonne-Today at 4:07 PM
(Page 48)
Kenzaburo:
きみが修一郎氏に
会ったことが無いのも
仕方がない

君達一家は
美国修の敷居を跨(また)ぐことを
許されていなかつたのだ

公秀君はそれに
反発していたようだが

久臣くんは
大人たなつてもなお
父を恐れていたようだ

私が
修一郎氏の
昔話をすると

顔色が
変わつていたよ

Oriko:
話を
逸らさないでと
言つてるの!
(Page break to p49)(edited)
(Page 48)
Kenzaburo:
It can not be helped you never met Shuichiro

You guys were not allowed to cross the threshold of Mikuni Shuichiro [name translated, may be imperfect]

It seems that Kimihide was rebelling against it

Hisaomi-kun seemed to have been afraid of his father even though he was an adult

When I talked about Mr. Shuichiro's old story

My complexion had changed

Oriko:
I'm telling you not to talk!
[Other iterations of the google translation look like she may be telling him off for irrelevant details]
(Page break to p49)(edited)
(Page 49)
Oriko:
もういい
父を貶め死に追いやった
貴方を許さない

Kenzaburo:
私が?
佝を言っているのだね
殺したのはきみだ
国 織莉子
(Page Break to p50)(edited)
(Page 49, google translated)
Oriko:
enough
I will not forgive you who defeated my father and killed himself

Kenzaburo:
I?
You are telling me き You are the one who killed you
(alterate translation: I am talking about you, it is you who killed me)

Mikuni Oriko
(Page Break to p50)(edited)
Translation seems pretty broken, but I'm reading it as: "You drove my father to suicide!" "No, Oriko, you drove your father to suicide."
My reading in this case is also because of Oriko's shocked stare, and the fact that the next page cuts to a young Oriko.(edited)
Yvonne-Today at 5:41 PM
(Page 50)
Flashback, appears to be Oriko narrating:

由良子が
亡くなって

織莉子は
変わってしまった

泣き虫だった
あの子が
まったく泣かなく
なった

なんでもそつなく
こなすようになり

進学すると
多くの人望を集め
人の上に立つように
なった

僕の子とは思えないほどに
｢出来すぎる｣ようになった
(Page break to p51)
(Page 50, google translated)
Flashback, appears to be Oriko narrating:

Yuruko passed away

Oriko has changed

That child, who was a crybaby, ceased to cry at all

It began to do anything without any

When I go on to higher education, I gather a lot of people's attention and I stand on people

I became "too much" to the extent I could not imagine being a child
(Page break to p51)
Onmar-Today at 7:03 PM
You doing Madokami's work
/Pat Yvonne and Kai and Google Translate
̣BOT-Today at 7:03 PM
( ＾ᴗ＾)ノ" headpats Yvonne and Kai and Google Translate
Yvonne-Today at 7:11 PM
(Page 51, continuing flashback, Hisaomi is meeting Kenzaburo)
Kenzaburo, to Hisaomi:
そうか
国政をやるのかね
もちろん後押し
させてもらうよ

Narration:
僕は怖い

僕は
知っている

Hisaomi:
お願いします
先生

Narration:
能力高く
人望があり

Speech bubble, appears to be Hisaomi:
お父様
お茶を持つて
りました

Narration:
微笑みの中に
冷たさを湛(たた)えた
人間を

Kenzaburo:
いやはやさすが
美国君の娘さんだ
(Page break to p52)
(page 51, google translation)
Kenzaburo, to Hisaomi:
Really
Are you going to do national affairs, of course I will boost you

Narration:
I am afraid I know it

Hisaomi:
Please
teacher

Narration:
Capable and highly promising

Speech bubble, appears to be Hisaomi:
I had a father's tea

Narration:
Human beings who coldly smiled

Kenzaburo:
No, no doubt it is Mikuni's daughter
(Page break to p 52)
Yvonne-Today at 8:05 PM
(Page 52)
End flashback, return to present time

Probably Kenzaburo?:
親たも子たも切り捨てられては堪らん

Probably Oriko?:
自分の無能さを悟られたくなくて

国政などと
不相応に背伸びを
したのだろう

Kenzaburo
きみは誰よりも
彼た似ている

「美国」た

美国修一郎氏た

Narration, may be the diary:
もう僕た疲れた
逃げようと思う

Oriko, wide eyed and sweating:
矢らない

会ったこともない人は
関係ない
(Page break to p53)
(Page 52, google translation)
Probably Kenzaburo ?:
Parents and girls are not assured that they are truncated

Probably Oriko ?:
I would not have wanted to realize my incompetence and stretched out disproportionately with national affairs etc.

Kenzaburo
You look more like him than anyone

"A beautiful country"
Mr. Shuichiro Mikuni

Narration, may be the diary:
I am already tired.
I think I will run away

Oriko, wide eyed and sweating:
People who have never met are irrelevant
(Page break to p53)
(Page 53)
Narration, likely the diary:
この世(織莉子)から
逃げようと思う

Oriko, angry:
殺す！
貴方を殺す！

父の無念を
たらす

わたしは...
わたしの父の理想を
...!

Kenzaburo, probably:
きみは
こちら側の
人間だ
(Page break to p54)
(Page 53, google translation)
Narration, likely the diary:
From this world (Oriko)
I think I will run away

Oriko, angry:
kill!
I will kill you!

Either:
To get rid of my father
I ... My ideal of my father ...!
Or:
I lose my father's mind ... my ideal of my father ...!

Kenzaburo, probably:
You are the one on this side
(Page break to p 54)
Just two more pages of this conversation.
Yvonne-Today at 9:29 PM
(Page 54)
Probably Oriko:
自分の理想の為に

他者を切り捨て
消すことを
厭わない人間だ

Looks like it switches to Kenzaburo here:
だから私は
思う

きみが
政(まつりごと)をよったら
面白 かろうと

Oriko: *Flashes back to Sasa and how Mio witched out Lina. Looks like the theme is "people she talked into dying" She looks kinda horrified*
(Page break to p55)(edited)
(Page 54, google translation)
Probably Oriko:
It is a human who is willing to cut off another person for his ideal

Looks like it switches to Kenzaburo here:
That's why I thought it would be interesting if you go to politics (matsuri)

Oriko: * Flashes back to Sasa and how Mio witched out Lina. Looks like the theme is "people she talked into dying" She looks kinda horrified *
(Page break to p55)(edited)
(Page 55)
Unknown Person:
先生
どなたか
いらっしやって
たのですか？

Kenzaburo:
いいや
一人で呑んでいたよ

Unknown person:
そうてすか
人の声が聞こえたような
気がしたもので

Kenzaburo, probably:
風の音じやないかな

*Kenzaburo offers the person what looks like a sake bottle*

*Cut to Kirika and what seems to be the sound of things breaking*
(Page break to p56)(edited)
(Page 55, google translation)
Unknown Person:
teacher
Did anyone come in?

Kenzaburo:
No
I was drinking alone

Unknown person:
I see
I felt like I could hear people 's voice

Kenzaburo, probably:
I wonder if there are sounds of wind

* Kenzaburo offers the person what looks like a sake bottle *

* Cut to Kirika and what seems to be the sound of things breaking *
(Page break to p 56)(edited)
(page 56)
* Kirika walks in on Oriko screaming and breaking things *
Annnnnnd. that's that conversation.
Gonna call it here for today.
If @Kaizuki or someone wants to give a proper translation, now it's complete.
I may take a look at Oriko and Kirika's conversation after this, which goes to the end of the chapter.
But that'll be later.
Onmar-Today at 9:41 PM
hugs the witch
Redshirt Army-Today at 9:41 PM
Thank you
This'll probably be very helpful
Yvonne-Today at 9:41 PM
So yeah, I think the "killed his wife" angle is wrong. Instead it's "Was afraid of his daughter, who resembled her grandfather way, waaaaay to much for comfort."
Onmar-Today at 9:42 PM
I'm kind of not connecting Kirika's reaction wholly with this :/
specially given the framing of the scene in SP 3
AuraTwilight-Today at 9:44 PM
well
Yvonne-Today at 9:44 PM
It's Kirika. "You left your fucking daughter alone in the world, because you were afraid her? YOU ASSHOLE." Seems like a Kirika response.
AuraTwilight-Today at 9:44 PM
I can see "Oriko's father fucking hated her" as justifying it.
Oriko thought her father was her only ally
and suffered through all of this in the name of that belief
and Kirika learned that her father never believed in her.
that everything Oriko suffered for was a lie.
Yvonne-Today at 9:46 PM
Well, their conversation is six more pages. I should be able to get through that with a day of work.
Or so.
Kaizuki-Today at 10:06 PM
美国修一郎 きみの祖父だ きみは会ったことはないだろうが Shuichiro Mikuni Your grandfather I don't think you ever met him, but 彼は 政治手腕もだが その人柄で 人気があってね He had political skill as well With that personality, he is/was popular with the people, and appeared elegant/good/nice, so he was beloved ただ But 彼の返く... 特にこども逹は 彼がそれだはの 人間ではないことを 知っていた Especially when he returned (when he retired??? He might well have been a diet member before a time when it would have been convenient for him to return home routinely?) the children knew that he wasn't human. Okay this next bit really requires someone who is in the know. 者 is one of many kanji for "person." 邪魔者 is, in this context, literally referring to someone who is in the way. 陥れ I have no idea about -- best Jisho is giving me is fall... eh, hold on. Can't believe I'm doing this but let's break out the paperback dictionary... Fall, entrap, ensnare, sink, capture, surrender... Probably entrap or capture here? 邪魔者を陥れ (I) entrapped (someone who was) an obstacle (in my way). 無能 Noun, "incompetent person." 切り捨てる Transitive verb, "to cut down; to slay." Literally, "I entrapped someone who was in my way. (I) Kill incompetent people."
Everything after that is almost fill-in-the-blanks with that context.
I have no idea whether the grandfather was corrupt or not
but either way, he was murderously competent.
And I rather don't think, based on the stuff about Kimihide "rebelling against it" and Hisaomi being afraid of him, that he was anything less than an absolutely uncompromising disciplinarian.
He wouldn't have allowed his children to be incompetent...
That's the sort of attitude that is being conveyed here.
And anyone who crossed him -- they'd be killed.
I can definitely see Hisaomi killing himself if his daughter was turning out the same way...
Yvonne-Today at 10:13 PM
Yeah, and Oriko definitely echoes him near the end.
Kaizuki-Today at 10:13 PM
Damn straight.
Yvonne-Today at 10:13 PM
... Hold on, I think I need to hunt for some typos. Found one already.
Or rather, feel free to continue, but I will be hunting for them.
What I found was pretty near the end.
But I'm going to go through and make sure the symbol count in stuff matches up to the manga.
...or not. It looks like my ride just arrived.
Bah, will be back to proofread in a couple hours.
And thanks for your help Kai.
Kaizuki-Today at 10:22 PM
Oriko, angry: 殺す！ 貴方を殺す！ "I'll kill you! I'll kill you!" 父の無念を たらす Can't make heads or tails of that. I'd guess at there being some aphorism for suicide in there, and Oriko... Uhm. わたしは... わたしの父の理想を "I... My father's ideals...!" 自分の理想の為に For the same of my ideals -- or "because of my ideals" -- I think it's the former 他者を切り捨て 消すことを 厭わない人間だ (I) am not a person who detests slaying and erasing others.(edited)
> Oriko concluding that she's totally her grandfather
Ot3'd Sketchy Lurker-Today at 10:23 PM
holy shit kai
you da real MVP
BRINA Gangsta!Gold! BEST MATCH!-Today at 10:28 PM
Ah
...Oriko you fucked up in da head
Kaizuki-Today at 10:32 PM
政をよったら 面白 かろうと 政 -- government よったら -- hypothetical quantifier form attached to either よう, よつ, or よる -- it would be rather helpful if it was written as a fucking kanji but it's not. My inclination is to agree with translate and treat it as よる with the definition "to choose, to select" because that's the only way it makes sense, I think. 面白 かろうと -- everything after 面白 か is over my head. But 面白 か is 面白, "interesting", with a question designator attached. So I'm guessing google is pretty right and this is Kenzaburo asking Oriko whether she thinks choosing politics would be interesting.
sighs
scuse me(edited)

The fallout of this is as follows: that fucking diary? Basically describes how Oriko drove her father to suicide by coming off as too much like his Illuminati-boss diet member Father who may or may not have been corrupt but is totally confirmed to have been the kind of guy to casually murder people for being incompetent and/or in his way, and all his kids were scared shitless of him and thought he wasn't human.
Yurako's death (by hisaomi or the grandfather, unclear, personal theory is grandpa ordered it and Hisaomi was too scared to say no) ended up turning Oriko into Grandfather 2.0 and Hisaomi couldn't deal at all. So he hung himself. And then Oriko promptly proved him right by going around being completely okay with -- well, she literally says, "I am not a person who detests slaying and erasing others." And we promptly get images of all the people she has puppeteered into being murdered, etc.

So... That thing is just bad. Let's toss it in a grief bubble and forget about the damn thing until Sadness Prayer concludes and we know for certain whether to burn it.

(*) Meanwhile, Kirika thinks Hisaomi is Oriko's enemy because his response to Oriko trying to grow up quickly to help him while idolizing him was to be scared shitless of her and fucking kill himself, which promptly led to her actually becoming the person he was scared that she was.

All he had to do was love her. Instead he caused her fall into, well, her grandfather / his father.

Catgirl's note: I am far from fluent in Japanese. We won't have a concrete basis until the official translation comes out. However, everything before the (*) is very high confidence, like, 99.5%. The stuff about why specifically Kirika hates Hisaomi is admittedly conjecture, but it's probably the case?

Click to shrink...

*High Fives catgirl*.

 

[Kaizuki]

*High Fives catgirl*.

Click to shrink...

Yeah boi! I wouldn't have gotten any of this done without you; transcribing is such a fucking pain.

 

[mCooperative]

Spoiler: Giant discord transcript. Phoenixian transcribes Sadness Prayer and Kaizuki translates it.

Yvonne-Today at 12:58 PM
(Page 47)
Different, more caligraphic font. Either Shuchiro Mikuni or Kenzaburo:
邪魔 者を陥れ
無能を切り捨てる

Kenzaburo:
それも彼の
手腕のうちだが
恐ろしい人だった

Oriko:
話を逸らさないで
祖父と
父の話になんの
関 係があるの?

Kenzaburo:
切り捨てられた
無能のちうには
彼のこどももいた
美国 久臣だ
(Page break to p48)(edited)
(p47, according to google)
Different, more caligraphic font. Either Shuchiro Mikuni or Kenzaburo:

I got a nuisance
Truncate incompetence

Kenzaburo:
It's also his
I am skillful.
It was a horrible person

Oriko:
Do not talk
With my grandfather
What's on my father's story?
Is there a relationship?

Kenzaburo:
Truncated
Incompatible
He also had children
Mikuni Hisaomi
(edited)
Yvonne-Today at 4:07 PM
(Page 48)
Kenzaburo:
きみが修一郎氏に
会ったことが無いのも
仕方がない

君達一家は
美国修の敷居を跨(また)ぐことを
許されていなかつたのだ

公秀君はそれに
反発していたようだが

久臣くんは
大人たなつてもなお
父を恐れていたようだ

私が
修一郎氏の
昔話をすると

顔色が
変わつていたよ

Oriko:
話を
逸らさないでと
言つてるの!
(Page break to p49)(edited)
(Page 48)
Kenzaburo:
It can not be helped you never met Shuichiro

You guys were not allowed to cross the threshold of Mikuni Shuichiro [name translated, may be imperfect]

It seems that Kimihide was rebelling against it

Hisaomi-kun seemed to have been afraid of his father even though he was an adult

When I talked about Mr. Shuichiro's old story

My complexion had changed

Oriko:
I'm telling you not to talk!
[Other iterations of the google translation look like she may be telling him off for irrelevant details]
(Page break to p49)(edited)
(Page 49)
Oriko:
もういい
父を貶め死に追いやった
貴方を許さない

Kenzaburo:
私が?
佝を言っているのだね
殺したのはきみだ
国 織莉子
(Page Break to p50)(edited)
(Page 49, google translated)
Oriko:
enough
I will not forgive you who defeated my father and killed himself

Kenzaburo:
I?
You are telling me き You are the one who killed you
(alterate translation: I am talking about you, it is you who killed me)

Mikuni Oriko
(Page Break to p50)(edited)
Translation seems pretty broken, but I'm reading it as: "You drove my father to suicide!" "No, Oriko, you drove your father to suicide."
My reading in this case is also because of Oriko's shocked stare, and the fact that the next page cuts to a young Oriko.(edited)
Yvonne-Today at 5:41 PM
(Page 50)
Flashback, appears to be Oriko narrating:

由良子が
亡くなって

織莉子は
変わってしまった

泣き虫だった
あの子が
まったく泣かなく
なった

なんでもそつなく
こなすようになり

進学すると
多くの人望を集め
人の上に立つように
なった

僕の子とは思えないほどに
｢出来すぎる｣ようになった
(Page break to p51)
(Page 50, google translated)
Flashback, appears to be Oriko narrating:

Yuruko passed away

Oriko has changed

That child, who was a crybaby, ceased to cry at all

It began to do anything without any

When I go on to higher education, I gather a lot of people's attention and I stand on people

I became "too much" to the extent I could not imagine being a child
(Page break to p51)
Onmar-Today at 7:03 PM
You doing Madokami's work
/Pat Yvonne and Kai and Google Translate
̣BOT-Today at 7:03 PM
( ＾ᴗ＾)ノ" headpats Yvonne and Kai and Google Translate
Yvonne-Today at 7:11 PM
(Page 51, continuing flashback, Hisaomi is meeting Kenzaburo)
Kenzaburo, to Hisaomi:
そうか
国政をやるのかね
もちろん後押し
させてもらうよ

Narration:
僕は怖い

僕は
知っている

Hisaomi:
お願いします
先生

Narration:
能力高く
人望があり

Speech bubble, appears to be Hisaomi:
お父様
お茶を持つて
りました

Narration:
微笑みの中に
冷たさを湛(たた)えた
人間を

Kenzaburo:
いやはやさすが
美国君の娘さんだ
(Page break to p52)
(page 51, google translation)
Kenzaburo, to Hisaomi:
Really
Are you going to do national affairs, of course I will boost you

Narration:
I am afraid I know it

Hisaomi:
Please
teacher

Narration:
Capable and highly promising

Speech bubble, appears to be Hisaomi:
I had a father's tea

Narration:
Human beings who coldly smiled

Kenzaburo:
No, no doubt it is Mikuni's daughter
(Page break to p 52)
Yvonne-Today at 8:05 PM
(Page 52)
End flashback, return to present time

Probably Kenzaburo?:
親たも子たも切り捨てられては堪らん

Probably Oriko?:
自分の無能さを悟られたくなくて

国政などと
不相応に背伸びを
したのだろう

Kenzaburo
きみは誰よりも
彼た似ている

「美国」た

美国修一郎氏た

Narration, may be the diary:
もう僕た疲れた
逃げようと思う

Oriko, wide eyed and sweating:
矢らない

会ったこともない人は
関係ない
(Page break to p53)
(Page 52, google translation)
Probably Kenzaburo ?:
Parents and girls are not assured that they are truncated

Probably Oriko ?:
I would not have wanted to realize my incompetence and stretched out disproportionately with national affairs etc.

Kenzaburo
You look more like him than anyone

"A beautiful country"
Mr. Shuichiro Mikuni

Narration, may be the diary:
I am already tired.
I think I will run away

Oriko, wide eyed and sweating:
People who have never met are irrelevant
(Page break to p53)
(Page 53)
Narration, likely the diary:
この世(織莉子)から
逃げようと思う

Oriko, angry:
殺す！
貴方を殺す！

父の無念を
たらす

わたしは...
わたしの父の理想を
...!

Kenzaburo, probably:
きみは
こちら側の
人間だ
(Page break to p54)
(Page 53, google translation)
Narration, likely the diary:
From this world (Oriko)
I think I will run away

Oriko, angry:
kill!
I will kill you!

Either:
To get rid of my father
I ... My ideal of my father ...!
Or:
I lose my father's mind ... my ideal of my father ...!

Kenzaburo, probably:
You are the one on this side
(Page break to p 54)
Just two more pages of this conversation.
Yvonne-Today at 9:29 PM
(Page 54)
Probably Oriko:
自分の理想の為に

他者を切り捨て
消すことを
厭わない人間だ

Looks like it switches to Kenzaburo here:
だから私は
思う

きみが
政(まつりごと)をよったら
面白 かろうと

Oriko: *Flashes back to Sasa and how Mio witched out Lina. Looks like the theme is "people she talked into dying" She looks kinda horrified*
(Page break to p55)(edited)
(Page 54, google translation)
Probably Oriko:
It is a human who is willing to cut off another person for his ideal

Looks like it switches to Kenzaburo here:
That's why I thought it would be interesting if you go to politics (matsuri)

Oriko: * Flashes back to Sasa and how Mio witched out Lina. Looks like the theme is "people she talked into dying" She looks kinda horrified *
(Page break to p55)(edited)
(Page 55)
Unknown Person:
先生
どなたか
いらっしやって
たのですか？

Kenzaburo:
いいや
一人で呑んでいたよ

Unknown person:
そうてすか
人の声が聞こえたような
気がしたもので

Kenzaburo, probably:
風の音じやないかな

*Kenzaburo offers the person what looks like a sake bottle*

*Cut to Kirika and what seems to be the sound of things breaking*
(Page break to p56)(edited)
(Page 55, google translation)
Unknown Person:
teacher
Did anyone come in?

Kenzaburo:
No
I was drinking alone

Unknown person:
I see
I felt like I could hear people 's voice

Kenzaburo, probably:
I wonder if there are sounds of wind

* Kenzaburo offers the person what looks like a sake bottle *

* Cut to Kirika and what seems to be the sound of things breaking *
(Page break to p 56)(edited)
(page 56)
* Kirika walks in on Oriko screaming and breaking things *
Annnnnnd. that's that conversation.
Gonna call it here for today.
If @Kaizuki or someone wants to give a proper translation, now it's complete.
I may take a look at Oriko and Kirika's conversation after this, which goes to the end of the chapter.
But that'll be later.
Onmar-Today at 9:41 PM
hugs the witch
Redshirt Army-Today at 9:41 PM
Thank you
This'll probably be very helpful
Yvonne-Today at 9:41 PM
So yeah, I think the "killed his wife" angle is wrong. Instead it's "Was afraid of his daughter, who resembled her grandfather way, waaaaay to much for comfort."
Onmar-Today at 9:42 PM
I'm kind of not connecting Kirika's reaction wholly with this :/
specially given the framing of the scene in SP 3
AuraTwilight-Today at 9:44 PM
well
Yvonne-Today at 9:44 PM
It's Kirika. "You left your fucking daughter alone in the world, because you were afraid her? YOU ASSHOLE." Seems like a Kirika response.
AuraTwilight-Today at 9:44 PM
I can see "Oriko's father fucking hated her" as justifying it.
Oriko thought her father was her only ally
and suffered through all of this in the name of that belief
and Kirika learned that her father never believed in her.
that everything Oriko suffered for was a lie.
Yvonne-Today at 9:46 PM
Well, their conversation is six more pages. I should be able to get through that with a day of work.
Or so.
Kaizuki-Today at 10:06 PM
美国修一郎 きみの祖父だ きみは会ったことはないだろうが Shuichiro Mikuni Your grandfather I don't think you ever met him, but 彼は 政治手腕もだが その人柄で 人気があってね He had political skill as well With that personality, he is/was popular with the people, and appeared elegant/good/nice, so he was beloved ただ But 彼の返く... 特にこども逹は 彼がそれだはの 人間ではないことを 知っていた Especially when he returned (when he retired??? He might well have been a diet member before a time when it would have been convenient for him to return home routinely?) the children knew that he wasn't human. Okay this next bit really requires someone who is in the know. 者 is one of many kanji for "person." 邪魔者 is, in this context, literally referring to someone who is in the way. 陥れ I have no idea about -- best Jisho is giving me is fall... eh, hold on. Can't believe I'm doing this but let's break out the paperback dictionary... Fall, entrap, ensnare, sink, capture, surrender... Probably entrap or capture here? 邪魔者を陥れ (I) entrapped (someone who was) an obstacle (in my way). 無能 Noun, "incompetent person." 切り捨てる Transitive verb, "to cut down; to slay." Literally, "I entrapped someone who was in my way. (I) Kill incompetent people."
Everything after that is almost fill-in-the-blanks with that context.
I have no idea whether the grandfather was corrupt or not
but either way, he was murderously competent.
And I rather don't think, based on the stuff about Kimihide "rebelling against it" and Hisaomi being afraid of him, that he was anything less than an absolutely uncompromising disciplinarian.
He wouldn't have allowed his children to be incompetent...
That's the sort of attitude that is being conveyed here.
And anyone who crossed him -- they'd be killed.
I can definitely see Hisaomi killing himself if his daughter was turning out the same way...
Yvonne-Today at 10:13 PM
Yeah, and Oriko definitely echoes him near the end.
Kaizuki-Today at 10:13 PM
Damn straight.
Yvonne-Today at 10:13 PM
... Hold on, I think I need to hunt for some typos. Found one already.
Or rather, feel free to continue, but I will be hunting for them.
What I found was pretty near the end.
But I'm going to go through and make sure the symbol count in stuff matches up to the manga.
...or not. It looks like my ride just arrived.
Bah, will be back to proofread in a couple hours.
And thanks for your help Kai.
Kaizuki-Today at 10:22 PM
Oriko, angry: 殺す！ 貴方を殺す！ "I'll kill you! I'll kill you!" 父の無念を たらす Can't make heads or tails of that. I'd guess at there being some aphorism for suicide in there, and Oriko... Uhm. わたしは... わたしの父の理想を "I... My father's ideals...!" 自分の理想の為に For the same of my ideals -- or "because of my ideals" -- I think it's the former 他者を切り捨て 消すことを 厭わない人間だ (I) am not a person who detests slaying and erasing others.(edited)
> Oriko concluding that she's totally her grandfather
Ot3'd Sketchy Lurker-Today at 10:23 PM
holy shit kai
you da real MVP
BRINA Gangsta!Gold! BEST MATCH!-Today at 10:28 PM
Ah
...Oriko you fucked up in da head
Kaizuki-Today at 10:32 PM
政をよったら 面白 かろうと 政 -- government よったら -- hypothetical quantifier form attached to either よう, よつ, or よる -- it would be rather helpful if it was written as a fucking kanji but it's not. My inclination is to agree with translate and treat it as よる with the definition "to choose, to select" because that's the only way it makes sense, I think. 面白 かろうと -- everything after 面白 か is over my head. But 面白 か is 面白, "interesting", with a question designator attached. So I'm guessing google is pretty right and this is Kenzaburo asking Oriko whether she thinks choosing politics would be interesting.
sighs
scuse me(edited)

The fallout of this is as follows: that fucking diary? Basically describes how Oriko drove her father to suicide by coming off as too much like his Illuminati-boss diet member Father who may or may not have been corrupt but is totally confirmed to have been the kind of guy to casually murder people for being incompetent and/or in his way, and all his kids were scared shitless of him and thought he wasn't human.
Yurako's death (by hisaomi or the grandfather, unclear, personal theory is grandpa ordered it and Hisaomi was too scared to say no) ended up turning Oriko into Grandfather 2.0 and Hisaomi couldn't deal at all. So he hung himself. And then Oriko promptly proved him right by going around being completely okay with -- well, she literally says, "I am not a person who detests slaying and erasing others." And we promptly get images of all the people she has puppeteered into being murdered, etc.

So... That thing is just bad. Let's toss it in a grief bubble and forget about the damn thing until Sadness Prayer concludes and we know for certain whether to burn it.

(*) Meanwhile, Kirika thinks Hisaomi is Oriko's enemy because his response to Oriko trying to grow up quickly to help him while idolizing him was to be scared shitless of her and fucking kill himself, which promptly led to her actually becoming the person he was scared that she was.

All he had to do was love her. Instead he caused her fall into, well, her grandfather / his father.

Catgirl's note: I am far from fluent in Japanese. We won't have a concrete basis until the official translation comes out. However, everything before the (*) is very high confidence, like, 99.5%. The stuff about why specifically Kirika hates Hisaomi is admittedly conjecture, but it's probably the case?

Click to shrink...

Holy shit, all the kudos for getting this down. Well that gives us some things, wow there. Yeah, doubling down on my opinion to cloud store the diary until we verify whether it needs to go burn. Well, the willingness to burn it is new, but intel or no intel, unless we very much need it, that thing is a danger even existing, and what we know of the contents is stuff that nobody needs to hear. It could still have things we need to know, futurewise, but we sure as heck shouldn't deal with that until or unless we need to deal with it. While @HeroCycle is right to be concerned about why the heck that thing was sitting out on the table (though it is possible that Oriko read it while still in shock from her father's death, and then just threw it the hell out of her memories into her brain's lockdown to protect herself from all the shit going on at the time), either Oriko found it and presently doesn't know the contents possibly due to repressing the fuck of them, Oriko found it and does know some of the contents and isn't detectably and immediately imploding from them in specific, or Oriko didn't find it and it was on the table for some other reason (either legit reason or something-spoopy-conspiracy reason); in any case, if we ever do need to read it, it's certainly not right now; we can table it safely, I think, into storage.

But anyway, no, yeah, holy shit. All my applause for getting that thing done.

 

[HeroCycle]

[X] Later today, read, destroy diary.

[X] Oriko
- [X] Offering O&K change. Substantial?
- [X] Trading more security measures for permissions.
- [X] Attachments to mansion? Moving? Discuss options.

[x] Telepathy Hitomi. We wanted mom's help. Best communication method ?
-[x] If "now" , contact Mrs. Shizuki. Arrange meeting, topics:
--[x] Brokering Magic fabrications for payment.
--[x] Finding trustworthy psychiatrists. We met troubled girls, it's our responsibility.

[X] Discuss w/Mami, Call Nadia, ask contact Riona.
--[X] Put forth a good impression, mention Oriko/include Mami as necessary.

[X] Contact Kyouko/Yuma, status, confirm Sayaka appointment.

[X] Attempt substitute for Grief Seeds
-[X] Test 'control enchantment.'
--[X] upon rock.
---[X] use will, visualization, make it transform.
---[X] Install Grief attracting magic.

[X] Enchant casing of Aurora.
-[X] Strongly imagine properties of soul gem, container for Hope.
[X] Make speckled "soul gem signal/range boost" enchantment.
[X] Hunt a witch.


Compression complete. Have at it, please!

 

[Skelm]

[X] Later today, read, destroy diary.

Click to shrink...

Why destroy the diary after reading it?

 

[Higure]

...huh. So, off topic, but Sabrina mentioned earlier that she suspects each Meguca has her own "4th Dimension," and that it might be the basis for Witch Barriers.

If that IS the case...then what the hell was that "Barrier" we made before?

 

[The Phoenixian]

Personally, I'm against destroying the diary before we have the full truth.

We now know more of how Oriko reacts to the diary and what the fundamental problem is, but we don't yet know all of it. Relevantly, afterwards she both confides with Kirika, goes from the super serious Oriko we saw earlier to someone who plays video games with her (girl?) friend, and ends up having a conversation wherein she appears to make peace with her Uncle Kimihide.

How much of that is a result of reading the diary is unknown, and a lot of that change in character appears to be happening anyways, but we don't know, and our prior assumptions --- that it contained an Infohazard about her father killing her mother --- appear to be quite badly wrong at this juncture.

Taking further action before the end result is truly known may not be in our, or her, best interests.

 

[HeroCycle]

We could read and contain it. I'm jumping to the conclusion that it is a trigger item of some sort, and aside from the positive effect of truth for us it has no other good use. It may be a liability.

I'll stand down a notch, please keep in the back of our minds not to let it become a dangerous liability in the near future. It would be a shame to invest so heavily in the better version of Oriko, only to watch her backslide.

Personally, I'm against destroying the diary before we have the full truth.

We now know more of how Oriko reacts to the diary and what the fundamental problem is, but we don't yet know all of it. Relevantly, afterwards she both confides with Kirika, goes from the super serious Oriko we saw earlier to someone who plays video games with her (girl?) friend, and ends up having a conversation wherein she appears to make peace with her Uncle Kimihide.

How much of that is a result of reading the diary is unknown, and a lot of that change in character appears to be happening anyways, but we don't know, and our prior assumptions --- that it contained an Infohazard about her father killing her mother --- appear to be quite badly wrong at this juncture.

Taking further action before the end result is truly known may not be in our, or her, best interests.

Click to shrink...

Why destroy the diary after reading it?

Click to shrink...

 

[HeroCycle]

Kirika might be an extremist, but I'm still not saying she's wrong. Let's be careful to not undo her intent, this book has become a trust issue between her and Sabrina. We might not burn it today, but we must make it seriously inaccessible. Aside from "cloud storage," which has a few failure modes, what other reasonable security is appropriate? Good old burial, perhaps? 99.9 meters of earth is sinfully easy for us to lift.

[X] Isolate diary. Read privately.

[X] Oriko
- [X] Offering O&K change. Substantial?
- [X] Trading more security measures for permissions.
- [X] Attachments to mansion? Moving? Discuss options.

[x] Telepathy Hitomi. We wanted mom's help. Best communication method ?
-[x] If "now" , contact Mrs. Shizuki. Arrange meeting, topics:
--[x] Brokering Magic fabrications for payment.
--[x] Finding trustworthy psychiatrists. We met troubled girls, it's our responsibility.

[X] Discuss w/Mami, Call Nadia, ask contact Riona.
--[X] Put forth a good impression, mention Oriko/include Mami as necessary.

[X] Contact Kyouko/Yuma, status, confirm Sayaka appointment.

[X] Attempt substitute for Grief Seeds
-[X] Test 'control enchantment.'
--[X] upon rock.
---[X] use will, visualization, make it transform.
---[X] Install Grief attracting magic.

[X] Enchant casing of Aurora.
-[X] Strongly imagine properties of soul gem, container for Hope.
[X] Make speckled "soul gem signal/range boost" enchantment.
[X] Hunt a witch.

 

[Skelm]

We could read and contain it. I'm jumping to the conclusion that it is a trigger item of some sort, and aside from the positive effect of truth for us it has no other good use. It may be a liability.

I'll stand down a notch, please keep in the back of our minds not to let it become a dangerous liability in the near future. It would be a shame to invest so heavily in the better version of Oriko, only to watch her backslide.

Click to shrink...

Oriko certainly shouldn't read the diary now, but that doesn't mean that will always be the case. There may come a day when learning the real reason her father killed himself will help her come to terms with it (or maybe not, but keeping the option is cheap).

Kirika might be an extremist, but I'm still not saying she's wrong. Let's be careful to not undo her intent, this book has become a trust issue between her and Sabrina. We might not burn it today, but we must make it seriously inaccessible. Aside from "cloud storage," which has a few failure modes, what other reasonable security is appropriate? Good old burial, perhaps? 99.9 meters of earth is sinfully easy for us to lift.

Click to shrink...

What failure modes are you expecting from storing it in our pocket dimension? As for trust issues, I don't think we should take

"I don't want it," Kirika hisses, voice suddenly darkening again. "Shred it, burn it, whatever. Get rid of it."

Click to shrink...

as a carefully-considered request and not an emotional display.

 

[HeroCycle]

What failure modes are you expecting from storing it in our pocket dimension? As for trust issues, what Kirika asked us to do is

Click to shrink...

Did you ever think what might happen if Sabrina lost a fight against a 'specifically crafted' Magical Girl opponent? My wallet is secure - until I lose the ability to prevent someone else from un-securing it.

Thus, considering the idea of "how would I keep this a secret in the best way possible?" It isn't reference material, so hiding it and not coming back is a possible approach? Regret is harder than preparation?

I think the only reason Kirika didn't destroy it was fear of damaging her relationship under some odd condition. Otherwise, it would have been shredded in that scene. We are the useful third party.

...huh. So, off topic, but Sabrina mentioned earlier that she suspects each Meguca has her own "4th Dimension," and that it might be the basis for Witch Barriers.

If that IS the case...then what the hell was that "Barrier" we made before?

Click to shrink...

Barriers are a "3D" experience. If this is a faithfully rendered faux 4D space, how many 3D spaces can I experience inside it?

I was only half joking before. The civilian clothes should alternate with the Magical Girl outfit in 4D space somewhere, do you think?

 

[obssesednuker]

I say dump the diary in a grief comtainer, regardless of if you read it or not. That way it is secure but available in the unforeseen eventuality it is useful.

Apropos of nothing, I also think ya'll should look into that Magical Girl anime Sayaka mentioned way back. Kinda curious to see what the Bizzarro!PMMM looks like. Might also be worth looking into other works that were done by Urobuchi, to see if they are different in the PMMMverse as well.

 

[Skelm]

Did you ever think what might happen if Sabrina lost a fight against a 'specifically crafted' Magical Girl opponent? My wallet is secure - until I lose the ability to prevent someone else from un-securing it.

Click to shrink...

This applies to every possible storage method! Magic can do anything, after all. But in general, it's going to be much harder to take things from us that require directly contesting our magic, rather then just 100 meters of dirt or a bank vault, and people who can pierce our magic are going to go for their combat objectives, not the book we store in hammerspace that they don't even know exists.

I was only half joking before. The civilian clothes should alternate with the Magical Girl outfit in 4D space somewhere, do you think?

Click to shrink...

I'm not sure about that. We don't seem to be summoning our hammers from hammerspace, ironically enough, so it's clearly possible for things to be conjured out of nothing. I think it's likely that civilian clothes get stored in hammerspace, whereas the magical girl outfit is conjured anew each time.

 

[Shadowhisker]

So, from what I'm hearing , the entire Mikuni family (minus Oriko, and she's technically a Kure) deserves to die in a fire.

Wait, I just had a thought. Is there any chance of the Mikuni Clan discovering Oriko's meguca-ness, and then blackmailing or otherwise coercing her into becoming a threat again? (Yeah, I know, they'll be immediately gutted by Kirika, followed up by us interrogating the survivors and looting the dead, but whatever. Just popped into my brain.)

 

[Firnagzen]

Spoiler: Giant discord transcript. Phoenixian transcribes Sadness Prayer and Kaizuki translates it.

Yvonne-Today at 12:58 PM
(Page 47)
Different, more caligraphic font. Either Shuchiro Mikuni or Kenzaburo:
邪魔 者を陥れ
無能を切り捨てる

Kenzaburo:
それも彼の
手腕のうちだが
恐ろしい人だった

Oriko:
話を逸らさないで
祖父と
父の話になんの
関 係があるの?

Kenzaburo:
切り捨てられた
無能のちうには
彼のこどももいた
美国 久臣だ
(Page break to p48)(edited)
(p47, according to google)
Different, more caligraphic font. Either Shuchiro Mikuni or Kenzaburo:

I got a nuisance
Truncate incompetence

Kenzaburo:
It's also his
I am skillful.
It was a horrible person

Oriko:
Do not talk
With my grandfather
What's on my father's story?
Is there a relationship?

Kenzaburo:
Truncated
Incompatible
He also had children
Mikuni Hisaomi
(edited)
Yvonne-Today at 4:07 PM
(Page 48)
Kenzaburo:
きみが修一郎氏に
会ったことが無いのも
仕方がない

君達一家は
美国修の敷居を跨(また)ぐことを
許されていなかつたのだ

公秀君はそれに
反発していたようだが

久臣くんは
大人たなつてもなお
父を恐れていたようだ

私が
修一郎氏の
昔話をすると

顔色が
変わつていたよ

Oriko:
話を
逸らさないでと
言つてるの!
(Page break to p49)(edited)
(Page 48)
Kenzaburo:
It can not be helped you never met Shuichiro

You guys were not allowed to cross the threshold of Mikuni Shuichiro [name translated, may be imperfect]

It seems that Kimihide was rebelling against it

Hisaomi-kun seemed to have been afraid of his father even though he was an adult

When I talked about Mr. Shuichiro's old story

My complexion had changed

Oriko:
I'm telling you not to talk!
[Other iterations of the google translation look like she may be telling him off for irrelevant details]
(Page break to p49)(edited)
(Page 49)
Oriko:
もういい
父を貶め死に追いやった
貴方を許さない

Kenzaburo:
私が?
佝を言っているのだね
殺したのはきみだ
国 織莉子
(Page Break to p50)(edited)
(Page 49, google translated)
Oriko:
enough
I will not forgive you who defeated my father and killed himself

Kenzaburo:
I?
You are telling me き You are the one who killed you
(alterate translation: I am talking about you, it is you who killed me)

Mikuni Oriko
(Page Break to p50)(edited)
Translation seems pretty broken, but I'm reading it as: "You drove my father to suicide!" "No, Oriko, you drove your father to suicide."
My reading in this case is also because of Oriko's shocked stare, and the fact that the next page cuts to a young Oriko.(edited)
Yvonne-Today at 5:41 PM
(Page 50)
Flashback, appears to be Oriko narrating:

由良子が
亡くなって

織莉子は
変わってしまった

泣き虫だった
あの子が
まったく泣かなく
なった

なんでもそつなく
こなすようになり

進学すると
多くの人望を集め
人の上に立つように
なった

僕の子とは思えないほどに
｢出来すぎる｣ようになった
(Page break to p51)
(Page 50, google translated)
Flashback, appears to be Oriko narrating:

Yuruko passed away

Oriko has changed

That child, who was a crybaby, ceased to cry at all

It began to do anything without any

When I go on to higher education, I gather a lot of people's attention and I stand on people

I became "too much" to the extent I could not imagine being a child
(Page break to p51)
Onmar-Today at 7:03 PM
You doing Madokami's work
/Pat Yvonne and Kai and Google Translate
̣BOT-Today at 7:03 PM
( ＾ᴗ＾)ノ" headpats Yvonne and Kai and Google Translate
Yvonne-Today at 7:11 PM
(Page 51, continuing flashback, Hisaomi is meeting Kenzaburo)
Kenzaburo, to Hisaomi:
そうか
国政をやるのかね
もちろん後押し
させてもらうよ

Narration:
僕は怖い

僕は
知っている

Hisaomi:
お願いします
先生

Narration:
能力高く
人望があり

Speech bubble, appears to be Hisaomi:
お父様
お茶を持つて
りました

Narration:
微笑みの中に
冷たさを湛(たた)えた
人間を

Kenzaburo:
いやはやさすが
美国君の娘さんだ
(Page break to p52)
(page 51, google translation)
Kenzaburo, to Hisaomi:
Really
Are you going to do national affairs, of course I will boost you

Narration:
I am afraid I know it

Hisaomi:
Please
teacher

Narration:
Capable and highly promising

Speech bubble, appears to be Hisaomi:
I had a father's tea

Narration:
Human beings who coldly smiled

Kenzaburo:
No, no doubt it is Mikuni's daughter
(Page break to p 52)
Yvonne-Today at 8:05 PM
(Page 52)
End flashback, return to present time

Probably Kenzaburo?:
親たも子たも切り捨てられては堪らん

Probably Oriko?:
自分の無能さを悟られたくなくて

国政などと
不相応に背伸びを
したのだろう

Kenzaburo
きみは誰よりも
彼た似ている

「美国」た

美国修一郎氏た

Narration, may be the diary:
もう僕た疲れた
逃げようと思う

Oriko, wide eyed and sweating:
矢らない

会ったこともない人は
関係ない
(Page break to p53)
(Page 52, google translation)
Probably Kenzaburo ?:
Parents and girls are not assured that they are truncated

Probably Oriko ?:
I would not have wanted to realize my incompetence and stretched out disproportionately with national affairs etc.

Kenzaburo
You look more like him than anyone

"A beautiful country"
Mr. Shuichiro Mikuni

Narration, may be the diary:
I am already tired.
I think I will run away

Oriko, wide eyed and sweating:
People who have never met are irrelevant
(Page break to p53)
(Page 53)
Narration, likely the diary:
この世(織莉子)から
逃げようと思う

Oriko, angry:
殺す！
貴方を殺す！

父の無念を
たらす

わたしは...
わたしの父の理想を
...!

Kenzaburo, probably:
きみは
こちら側の
人間だ
(Page break to p54)
(Page 53, google translation)
Narration, likely the diary:
From this world (Oriko)
I think I will run away

Oriko, angry:
kill!
I will kill you!

Either:
To get rid of my father
I ... My ideal of my father ...!
Or:
I lose my father's mind ... my ideal of my father ...!

Kenzaburo, probably:
You are the one on this side
(Page break to p 54)
Just two more pages of this conversation.
Yvonne-Today at 9:29 PM
(Page 54)
Probably Oriko:
自分の理想の為に

他者を切り捨て
消すことを
厭わない人間だ

Looks like it switches to Kenzaburo here:
だから私は
思う

きみが
政(まつりごと)をよったら
面白 かろうと

Oriko: *Flashes back to Sasa and how Mio witched out Lina. Looks like the theme is "people she talked into dying" She looks kinda horrified*
(Page break to p55)(edited)
(Page 54, google translation)
Probably Oriko:
It is a human who is willing to cut off another person for his ideal

Looks like it switches to Kenzaburo here:
That's why I thought it would be interesting if you go to politics (matsuri)

Oriko: * Flashes back to Sasa and how Mio witched out Lina. Looks like the theme is "people she talked into dying" She looks kinda horrified *
(Page break to p55)(edited)
(Page 55)
Unknown Person:
先生
どなたか
いらっしやって
たのですか？

Kenzaburo:
いいや
一人で呑んでいたよ

Unknown person:
そうてすか
人の声が聞こえたような
気がしたもので

Kenzaburo, probably:
風の音じやないかな

*Kenzaburo offers the person what looks like a sake bottle*

*Cut to Kirika and what seems to be the sound of things breaking*
(Page break to p56)(edited)
(Page 55, google translation)
Unknown Person:
teacher
Did anyone come in?

Kenzaburo:
No
I was drinking alone

Unknown person:
I see
I felt like I could hear people 's voice

Kenzaburo, probably:
I wonder if there are sounds of wind

* Kenzaburo offers the person what looks like a sake bottle *

* Cut to Kirika and what seems to be the sound of things breaking *
(Page break to p 56)(edited)
(page 56)
* Kirika walks in on Oriko screaming and breaking things *
Annnnnnd. that's that conversation.
Gonna call it here for today.
If @Kaizuki or someone wants to give a proper translation, now it's complete.
I may take a look at Oriko and Kirika's conversation after this, which goes to the end of the chapter.
But that'll be later.
Onmar-Today at 9:41 PM
hugs the witch
Redshirt Army-Today at 9:41 PM
Thank you
This'll probably be very helpful
Yvonne-Today at 9:41 PM
So yeah, I think the "killed his wife" angle is wrong. Instead it's "Was afraid of his daughter, who resembled her grandfather way, waaaaay to much for comfort."
Onmar-Today at 9:42 PM
I'm kind of not connecting Kirika's reaction wholly with this :/
specially given the framing of the scene in SP 3
AuraTwilight-Today at 9:44 PM
well
Yvonne-Today at 9:44 PM
It's Kirika. "You left your fucking daughter alone in the world, because you were afraid her? YOU ASSHOLE." Seems like a Kirika response.
AuraTwilight-Today at 9:44 PM
I can see "Oriko's father fucking hated her" as justifying it.
Oriko thought her father was her only ally
and suffered through all of this in the name of that belief
and Kirika learned that her father never believed in her.
that everything Oriko suffered for was a lie.
Yvonne-Today at 9:46 PM
Well, their conversation is six more pages. I should be able to get through that with a day of work.
Or so.
Kaizuki-Today at 10:06 PM
美国修一郎 きみの祖父だ きみは会ったことはないだろうが Shuichiro Mikuni Your grandfather I don't think you ever met him, but 彼は 政治手腕もだが その人柄で 人気があってね He had political skill as well With that personality, he is/was popular with the people, and appeared elegant/good/nice, so he was beloved ただ But 彼の返く... 特にこども逹は 彼がそれだはの 人間ではないことを 知っていた Especially when he returned (when he retired??? He might well have been a diet member before a time when it would have been convenient for him to return home routinely?) the children knew that he wasn't human. Okay this next bit really requires someone who is in the know. 者 is one of many kanji for "person." 邪魔者 is, in this context, literally referring to someone who is in the way. 陥れ I have no idea about -- best Jisho is giving me is fall... eh, hold on. Can't believe I'm doing this but let's break out the paperback dictionary... Fall, entrap, ensnare, sink, capture, surrender... Probably entrap or capture here? 邪魔者を陥れ (I) entrapped (someone who was) an obstacle (in my way). 無能 Noun, "incompetent person." 切り捨てる Transitive verb, "to cut down; to slay." Literally, "I entrapped someone who was in my way. (I) Kill incompetent people."
Everything after that is almost fill-in-the-blanks with that context.
I have no idea whether the grandfather was corrupt or not
but either way, he was murderously competent.
And I rather don't think, based on the stuff about Kimihide "rebelling against it" and Hisaomi being afraid of him, that he was anything less than an absolutely uncompromising disciplinarian.
He wouldn't have allowed his children to be incompetent...
That's the sort of attitude that is being conveyed here.
And anyone who crossed him -- they'd be killed.
I can definitely see Hisaomi killing himself if his daughter was turning out the same way...
Yvonne-Today at 10:13 PM
Yeah, and Oriko definitely echoes him near the end.
Kaizuki-Today at 10:13 PM
Damn straight.
Yvonne-Today at 10:13 PM
... Hold on, I think I need to hunt for some typos. Found one already.
Or rather, feel free to continue, but I will be hunting for them.
What I found was pretty near the end.
But I'm going to go through and make sure the symbol count in stuff matches up to the manga.
...or not. It looks like my ride just arrived.
Bah, will be back to proofread in a couple hours.
And thanks for your help Kai.
Kaizuki-Today at 10:22 PM
Oriko, angry: 殺す！ 貴方を殺す！ "I'll kill you! I'll kill you!" 父の無念を たらす Can't make heads or tails of that. I'd guess at there being some aphorism for suicide in there, and Oriko... Uhm. わたしは... わたしの父の理想を "I... My father's ideals...!" 自分の理想の為に For the same of my ideals -- or "because of my ideals" -- I think it's the former 他者を切り捨て 消すことを 厭わない人間だ (I) am not a person who detests slaying and erasing others.(edited)
> Oriko concluding that she's totally her grandfather
Ot3'd Sketchy Lurker-Today at 10:23 PM
holy shit kai
you da real MVP
BRINA Gangsta!Gold! BEST MATCH!-Today at 10:28 PM
Ah
...Oriko you fucked up in da head
Kaizuki-Today at 10:32 PM
政をよったら 面白 かろうと 政 -- government よったら -- hypothetical quantifier form attached to either よう, よつ, or よる -- it would be rather helpful if it was written as a fucking kanji but it's not. My inclination is to agree with translate and treat it as よる with the definition "to choose, to select" because that's the only way it makes sense, I think. 面白 かろうと -- everything after 面白 か is over my head. But 面白 か is 面白, "interesting", with a question designator attached. So I'm guessing google is pretty right and this is Kenzaburo asking Oriko whether she thinks choosing politics would be interesting.
sighs
scuse me(edited)

The fallout of this is as follows: that fucking diary? Basically describes how Oriko drove her father to suicide by coming off as too much like his Illuminati-boss diet member Father who may or may not have been corrupt but is totally confirmed to have been the kind of guy to casually murder people for being incompetent and/or in his way, and all his kids were scared shitless of him and thought he wasn't human.
Yurako's death (by hisaomi or the grandfather, unclear, personal theory is grandpa ordered it and Hisaomi was too scared to say no) ended up turning Oriko into Grandfather 2.0 and Hisaomi couldn't deal at all. So he hung himself. And then Oriko promptly proved him right by going around being completely okay with -- well, she literally says, "I am not a person who detests slaying and erasing others." And we promptly get images of all the people she has puppeteered into being murdered, etc.

So... That thing is just bad. Let's toss it in a grief bubble and forget about the damn thing until Sadness Prayer concludes and we know for certain whether to burn it.

(*) Meanwhile, Kirika thinks Hisaomi is Oriko's enemy because his response to Oriko trying to grow up quickly to help him while idolizing him was to be scared shitless of her and fucking kill himself, which promptly led to her actually becoming the person he was scared that she was.

All he had to do was love her. Instead he caused her fall into, well, her grandfather / his father.

Catgirl's note: I am far from fluent in Japanese. We won't have a concrete basis until the official translation comes out. However, everything before the (*) is very high confidence, like, 99.5%. The stuff about why specifically Kirika hates Hisaomi is admittedly conjecture, but it's probably the case?

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Thank you very much for the translation! I'll index this under useful information.

Now, could I get some more votes?

 

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So, from what I'm hearing , the entire Mikuni family (minus Oriko, and she's technically a Kure) deserves to die in a fire.

Wait, I just had a thought. Is there any chance of the Mikuni Clan discovering Oriko's meguca-ness, and then blackmailing or otherwise coercing her into becoming a threat again? (Yeah, I know, they'll be immediately gutted by Kirika, followed up by us interrogating the survivors and looting the dead, but whatever. Just popped into my brain.)

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Even without Kuybey mindwipe, how exactly is that a compromising information? "We're gonna tell the world you're magical girl"? Doesn't really sound like something good for their political careers.