Muramasa
Best Girl
I honestly haven't been thinking about it too hard. I know Sayaka expressed some interest in the diary. That's all.
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Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
Sorry. I overreacted. Also, I edited the post a minute ago.
About giving proof. I suppose we could read the diary and just ask Sayaka to take our word for whatever we find inside, but I feel like reading it would further complicate our already fairly blurred concept of privacy.
Sabrina can't help knowing things about her friends. However, she can prevent herself from snooping around for more secrets.
Eh, maybe I'm just overly naive.
- Location
- USA, Midworld world line
[X] Out of sight, later, read then destroy diary.
Best Buddy really wants this, don't disappoint her.
[X] Oriko's question
IF - [X] Give them a choice for when to have a heavy discussion.
THEN [X] Discussing the house arrest - punishment vs. harm prevention
- [X] Do you want to radically change your lives?
- [X] Freedom isn't free. Trade is offered. More security measures for larger territory.
- [X] Bring up selling the mansion. Not her only option.
ELSE -- [X] In the meantime...
--- [x] Telepathy to Hitomi. We had something that we wanted to talk to her mom about. What's a good time and method to get in touch?
-[x] If "now" is good, contact Mrs. Shizuki. Arrange to meet. Upon meeting, discuss:
--[x] Potential ways to use magic to provide a source of income.
--[x] Whether she knows a trustworthy psychiatrist who could help some of the more troubled magical girls that we've met.
[X] develop a substitute for Grief Seeds
-[X] Test out our control enchantment
--[X] on a rock
---[X] use will, visualization, make it transform
---[X] Install Grief attracting magic
[X] Enchant casing of clear seed.
-[X] strongly imagine the properties of a soul gem. Form a container for Hope.
[X] If Mami's okay with it, call Nadia and ask to contact Riona.
--[X] Be polite, try to make a good impression, mention Oriko/include Mami as necessary.
-[X] Contact Kyouko/Yuma, see if everything's cool, confirm that Sayaka will be by later in the day.
-[X] Hunt a witch.
[X] Try making a grief-enhanced "soul gem signal/range boost" enchantment.
Dredging up unfinished ideas... large ATM.
Best Buddy really wants this, don't disappoint her.
[X] Oriko's question
IF - [X] Give them a choice for when to have a heavy discussion.
THEN [X] Discussing the house arrest - punishment vs. harm prevention
- [X] Do you want to radically change your lives?
- [X] Freedom isn't free. Trade is offered. More security measures for larger territory.
- [X] Bring up selling the mansion. Not her only option.
ELSE -- [X] In the meantime...
--- [x] Telepathy to Hitomi. We had something that we wanted to talk to her mom about. What's a good time and method to get in touch?
-[x] If "now" is good, contact Mrs. Shizuki. Arrange to meet. Upon meeting, discuss:
--[x] Potential ways to use magic to provide a source of income.
--[x] Whether she knows a trustworthy psychiatrist who could help some of the more troubled magical girls that we've met.
[X] develop a substitute for Grief Seeds
-[X] Test out our control enchantment
--[X] on a rock
---[X] use will, visualization, make it transform
---[X] Install Grief attracting magic
[X] Enchant casing of clear seed.
-[X] strongly imagine the properties of a soul gem. Form a container for Hope.
[X] If Mami's okay with it, call Nadia and ask to contact Riona.
--[X] Be polite, try to make a good impression, mention Oriko/include Mami as necessary.
-[X] Contact Kyouko/Yuma, see if everything's cool, confirm that Sayaka will be by later in the day.
-[X] Hunt a witch.
[X] Try making a grief-enhanced "soul gem signal/range boost" enchantment.
Dredging up unfinished ideas... large ATM.
- Location
- The Outer Plane Of Munchkinry.
....Wait a second...If MGs are girls who are also Soul Gems by way of dimentional/metaphysical overlay, then are they technically the same sort of thing that Ship Girls are?
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
This is complicated further because:
• Even if we don't read it we'll know what's in it soon because it's gonna be revealed in the next volume of the manga.
• The diary's contents are currently in a quantum superposition of canon/noncanon adherence - if we read it now, Firn has to commit to his interpretation of the contents, if we don't, it'll probably end up having the canonical contents instead.
• Even if we don't read it we'll know what's in it soon because it's gonna be revealed in the next volume of the manga.
• The diary's contents are currently in a quantum superposition of canon/noncanon adherence - if we read it now, Firn has to commit to his interpretation of the contents, if we don't, it'll probably end up having the canonical contents instead.
- Location
- The Outer Plane Of Munchkinry.
Oh, while we're here, we should offer to remodel her house, and possibly buy it off of her.
- Location
- USA, Midworld world line
hmmm... Sabrina seems to have a stock answer to 'difficulties' like this? Is this, in fact, a problem she owns?
I want the possible benefits of reading, AND I want the trigger gone. Even if it was already applied to Oriko, Kirika says it would be better gone.
THAT is 'our problem.'
And, pigeon takeover, apparently.
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
Well, given sufficient Grief, Sabrina is already at the point where she can cosplay a fully functional Aoki Hagane no Arupejio cruiser (well, anything with less than 200m beam).
Edit: We can cosplay as Gangut.
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meanderingCephalopod
- Location
- Back in Mitakihara after like 1000 years.
Literally the most adorable, Kirika. There are too many instances of the adorableness to quote, for both her, and Oriko.
Is this a metaphor? It definitely feels like it could be a metaphor. Alternatively, an unintentional metaphor that we must clearly appropriate for our own purposes.
So I was gonna make a joke about how Sabrina has joined Kirika's and Homura's organization of catlike meguca who guard their most precious peoples, but like actually, thought- if we're using Grief for this, and remembering our MECHA GURREN ZILLA LAGANN, not to mention our wings, we should possibly keep in mind we can do a pretty good impression of a shapeshifter if we want to. Or, like, a larger Familiar, but probably don't want to go that way. But like, utility claws, or prehensile tail or whatever.
... good thing Kyubey can keep us from starting rumors of being the local werewolf/Tzimisce-abomination?
Like that. Utility claws are best claws. Also that is best cooking method.
Welp, there's the brainwashing, it's here! I said the Pigeon Revolution Against The Bourgeoisie was a thing, Sayaka, no! You should have listened! Soon, like Redshirt, Onmur's avatar will be pigeons, and both will have been absorbed into the conglomerate! We're next! Run for your souls!
That being said, re, the diary:
I think that even if we don't read it this moment, we might oughta keep it around. We brought it up as part of our argument re: O&K, and disposing of it feels sketchy as hell, even if we don't plan to actually show Homura and Sayaka its contents (unless something explodes spectacularly and it becomes necessary for health and safety, which is hopefully unlikely). Also, I'm not confident that there's not something that may come back to bite everyone later. We could shove it in our cloud storage until it becomes needed intel, it's not like it's more sensitive than the Witch Book we already have in there, but I don't like the idea of just disposing of intel that could become needed later- there's also no guarantee that whatever is revealed in the manga will be the totality of the diary, and if we only know what we're shown on our end, but there's details we just don't have because of the limits of narrative framing, then Sabrina having the physical object means that if we need it, we can gain more intel from Sabrina than we have from canon.
Also, I just have a personal issue with ever disposing of written record, ever, because from experience, you will want it later, even if it's literally a decade later. So, bias, I guess, but, that's where I'm coming from.
... the quantum superposition of the diary's contents reminds me a tiny bit of the debate over how to deal with the explosive note Oriko left at Sayaka's house, actually. Same sort of dealing with information that depends on information we don't have, but can get, but if we do get it, it changes or may change the information, and on and on. Although a bit less fraught, hopefully, I think.
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Soooo, I guess we're gonna respect Oriko's affairs' privacy and not read the diary?
Though we should learn the relevant parts once Sadness Prayer 4 is translated?
The stuff about Kirika jumping directly to the last page seems to imply that there's something there beyond what we see in Sadness Prayer.
[X] Move diary to the Grief Cloud storage.
[X] Oriko's question
-[X] Defer the question until all three are speaking; then
-[X] Talk about the limited extra reign discussed with Homura, Sayaka and Mami.
-[X] Bring the option of O&K moving to another house, possibly selling the current one.
-[X] If Oriko insists on the conversation we had with Kirika earlier, inform her it's information we told Kirika and she decided Oriko shouldn't know.
[X] Message Hitomi asking for her mother's phone number
[X] Share with O&K the 4-space trick
Oriko isn't watching us right now, I think so we can just put the diary out of sight for now. We can dispose of it later on route to lunch.
[X] Oriko's question
-[X] Defer the question until all three are speaking; then
-[X] Talk about the limited extra reign discussed with Homura, Sayaka and Mami.
-[X] Bring the option of O&K moving to another house, possibly selling the current one.
Well, this visit is about telling them about last night's conversation too. I expect Oriko will get we don't want to tell her, but just in case...
-[X] If Oriko insists on the conversation we had with Kirika earlier, inform her it's information we told Kirika and she decided Oriko shouldn't know.
O&K know Sabrina has info she shoudn't know, including info on other Orikos. And I think she's aware we hold infobombs for several people.
[X] Message Hitomi asking for her mother's phone number
[X] Share with O&K the 4-space trick
... I think that should be enough for an update. Not telepathy on Hitomi because it isn't time critical so I don't think it's worth it interrupting her classes or whatever else she may have.
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- Location
- The Outer Plane Of Munchkinry.
Well yes, but i was thinking more in terms of how MGs are Barriers in the same way that Shipgirls are ships and also the space within those ships. I know that we can probably pull of some oddly shaped clothing, and some ship themed hanging-in-open-air bits, if we felt like it, but i thought that we would have had a little bit more trouble pulling off some half cm thick clothing that was also multiple foot thick hull.
Also we really need to work on doing that whole magical soul connection trick we figured out with Mami while keeping a eye on our inner space.
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meanderingCephalopod
- Location
- Back in Mitakihara after like 1000 years.
-[Q] You see, Oriko, Kirika has developed those time-slowing powers we expected! She's been a Time Lady all along.
}=o)
I don't think we should read the diary even if we have good reasons to believe that we won't be found out. I think Sabrina has a bit of I-will-do-everything-myself attitude and I suspect that trespassing O&K's privacy on the off chance that the knowledge might be useful is going to worsen that attitude. I'm fine with storing the diary in case we want to have a bit of conversation with Kirika later on (does Oriko have the right to know?) but I don't think we should read the diary.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
[] Keep the diary in Grief Cloud Storage.
[] Let O&K have their breakfast in peace. Talk later.
[] SCIENCE! Aurora:
-[] Observe.
-[] Try offering a little bit of Enchanted Grief to the Seed.
-[] Try (carefully!) poking Aurora with magic.
[] Discuss House Arrest.
-[] Explain yesterday's talk.
--[] Apologize for the sudden birb invasion.
--[] Offer your thoughts. Progress is gonna be slow, and if they agree to the changes, that would help.
--[] Ask what they think.
[] Let O&K have their breakfast in peace. Talk later.
[] SCIENCE! Aurora:
-[] Observe.
-[] Try offering a little bit of Enchanted Grief to the Seed.
-[] Try (carefully!) poking Aurora with magic.
[] Discuss House Arrest.
-[] Explain yesterday's talk.
--[] Apologize for the sudden birb invasion.
--[] Offer your thoughts. Progress is gonna be slow, and if they agree to the changes, that would help.
--[] Ask what they think.
- Location
- USA
I feel like all the people arguing that we shouldn't read /Hisaomi's/ Diary (its not Oriko's or anything, or even Kazumi's and she did have an important one) for privacy reasons....are missing the point that we're already invested in using secret knowledge to try and save lives.... and really badly underselling/ignoring the point that even if Sabrina-in-Quest doesn't read it, Sabrina-via-hivemind will have read (one version of) it anyways as soon as we get a japanese quester to go with various russians and other foreign-language speakers (seriously do we lack someone who can read Sadness Prayer, really? o.o ) or the manga gets translated.
If she already knows one version of its contents, and basically couldn't help it, is it really any different to narrow down /this versions/ anyways?
If she already knows one version of its contents, and basically couldn't help it, is it really any different to narrow down /this versions/ anyways?
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
I believe that yes, it is different, because in one case Sabrina receives knowledge from Madokami, and in another she actively seeks it out in eldritch tomes of Awful Parenthood.
Let me, er, get back to it. I wouldn't like reading Hisaomi's diaries, and I would complain, but in the end, I won't make a stand over it. However, I will absolutely argue against showing this "piece of filth" to anyone. Anyone at all.
Besides, I really don't think there will be anything interesting in it. We already know Hisaomi was a fucktard. Kirika's reaction confirms the fact. Whatever else do you want to find out from it? A tedious account of how one human being could become less so over the course of his lifetime? And screw up his daughter's life in the bargain?
Script Mak3r
(Verified Sun God) (Verified Feathers)
- Location
- Hell of Blazing Fires
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Sadly, Best Ship Takao is 203.76 m long. On the other hand, we have the right hair color for Best Submarine Iona.
- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Wait, I thought best ship was White Ribbon.
Script Mak3r
(Verified Sun God) (Verified Feathers)
- Location
- Hell of Blazing Fires
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Best Heavy Cruiser, then.
Dragontrapper
Homeless Draconis
- Location
- A Tower in the middle of nowhere
And we can make a 49% scale model inside our sphere!
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
I keep forgetting, is our sphere 100 meter diameter, or 100 meter radii. Because radii severely limits what ships we can cosplay as.
Nah, man, I'm telling yas. Gangut. Yeah, wrong setting, but coat, pants, white hair, swole. Also a battleship (if a tiny one).
Script Mak3r
(Verified Sun God) (Verified Feathers)
- Location
- Hell of Blazing Fires
- Pronouns
- She/Her
100 m radius, so 200 m diameter.
But since when are we Russian?! We don't have nearly enough vodka to be Russian.