Sabrina: OK OK... make her think I'm in danger.

She's come right?

.... right?
How does this help with shipping MadoHomu, though?

"Good question, Mami," answers Sabrina from her uncomfortable spot thrown over Homura's shoulder in a fireman's carry.

Homura's step falters. She throws a disbelieving look at Mami, who shrugs sympathetically.

Sabrina goes on, oblivious, "I think I might have forgotten the point of this plan."

Click - a sound of gears grinding.

The world is covered in grey hues, all sound muted, but that of the dark haired girl taking a deep, calming breath.

"Hey Homura, are y-"

Click.

"-ou OK the- oof!" Sabrina grunts as she's uncemoniously dropped on the ground.

Click.

The white haired girl rolls over so she can look up at her blonde companion, both of them the only people remaining in the street. "Yeah, I totally forgot about the shipping there."

Mami extends a hand down to catch her friend's. "You aren't shipping hard enough," she smiles as she helps her up.

"You know what, Mami?" huffs Sabrina. "... You're absolutely right."

"Sayaka?"

A nod. "I see a table for two for a show and dinner tonight, and Kyouko's name's on it. And also..." she leans in close, "another table for two," she whispers to Mami's ear, "someone's got to keep an eye on them, right?"

Mami's breath hitches.

"Y... yes..." she whispers back.
 
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The fact that she uses and has used corrupted souls to survive will never be less traumatizing whether she is stable or not.
Trauma is cumulative. Traumatizing someone when they're already emotionally unstable makes it far more likely that they'll suffer a serious breakdown.

As for never telling her because she might die, she might die from fighting Walpurgisnacht so do we plan on not letting Mami fight her?
We can protect Mami during a half-hour fight. We can't watch her every moment of every day to ensure that her gem isn't filling up or that she doesn't conjure up a musket and shoot it.

In two of the timelines where Mami finds out the witchbomb, she doesn't snap on the spot, but instead slips away and quietly kills herself sometime later.

She found out in the moment that she'd lost a student and felt the worst about herself, and decided that the only proper thing was to kill her friends to spare them that fate before killing herself.
I've always thought of the Tetris moment as like mercy killing someone with a zombie bite. Your friends are going to die, horribly. Then they're going to become monsters that attack and kill other people. It is inevitable. What do you do?

Yes, it's an overreaction, but she doesn't seem to be thinking clearly at that moment, possibly because her gem if filling up. Hence why of the four timelines where she gets witchbombed, that's the only one where she hurts other people instead od just killing herself.

No, it's an argument that Sabrina is not a medical professional or in any way certified to make the call.
That would seem to me to be an argument for caution, rather than for recklessly going full tilt.

Sadly, there are no medical professionals around who are aware of the unique circumstances of this case and could help. Until we get a chance to educate one and have them take the case, we're all that's available.

To be worth anything as a defense (legal or moral), a "psychotic break" has to mean that you actually had a chemical imbalance in your brain that rendered you incapable of rational thought.
Actually, the legal requirement for a Mental Disease or Defect plea is an inability to tell right from wrong at the time of of the act. Some jurisdictions also have Extreme Emotional Disturbance ("temporary insanity") pleas.

And being high on grief could certainly qualify.

Metabomb has two meanings. The fact that we knew Mami before we befriended her is the actual "bomb," the rest of it is just... Meta.
This is actually one point where I agree with Briefvoice. We haven't finished telling her the metabomb yet. We just kinda stammered something incoherent that she didn't even really absorb because she was too busy losing her shit. We still need to explain ourselves properly.
 
This is actually one point where I agree with Briefvoice. We haven't finished telling her the metabomb yet. We just kinda stammered something incoherent that she didn't even really absorb because she was too busy losing her shit. We still need to explain ourselves properly.

...

I...

Shit I never actually talked about this over here, did I?

Uh.

So: basically, I got sick waaay back in... Mid May. It was horrible and debilitating and I couldn't go up a staircase without subsequently collapsing for hours, but it wasn't particularly sick-ish. No problems with any of the stuff you'd normally expect from being sick, just a crushing exhaustion and a permanent fog on my brain -- and I'd collapse after physical or mental exertion.

Four-ish months later I'm still recovering from this helldisease. There's still a permanent fog in my brain, and it makes keeping track of things hard. If anyone's noticed a tendency to vacillate on issues, I blame that -- it's hard to stick to your guns when you can't keep ahold of the reasons you chose those guns for in the first place. Fortunately, what it doesn't do, for the most part, is prevent me from being smart about things in the short run -- I can work things up just fine, I just might not still understand all the motives behind it a day later.

Things have been getting gradually clearer. I think. Once in a while I'll have a brief spat of total clarity and everything is right with the world again, so I have high hopes for an eventual full recovery.

... That's all, nyah. You can stop staring at me now.
 
Yep, buy no unnecessary witchbomb. For petes sake it's just like administering laudinum, an old remedy that has been proven to do much more harm than good. At this point, sleep would probably be the best option so everyone can get their bearings together and possibly stabilize.

Sleep who needs it?

Mami ran frantically through the halls blasting randomly at approaching familiars. Rounding a corner, she dived into a roll out of a window before ribboning another familiar. Sending a mental trigger to the ribbon, it exploded while she continued running. How did she get here, everything was so cloudy. Yet she continued to push forward. Blasting through a door into another edifice, Mami fired a barrage of musket balls into the ceiling, causing a catastrophic collapse and burying several familiars. Climbing up a flight of stairs, she was about to begin attacking the witch before her vision was obscured by black and she knew no more.

Sabrina fell to a knee breathing heavily, counting her lucky stars that the roof of the abandoned apartment building didn't collapse on her. Brushing some rubble off her singed outfit, she turned to Homura and remarked "And this is why you don't go for extended periods of time without sleep."

Homura just gave a deadpan stare as she pointed at the bottle of caffeine pills in Sabrina's hand.

Sabrina just grinned, listed to the left and toppled to the ground, snoring.

EDIT: Kaizuki, is that why you have been sounding like Best Cat?
 
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EDIT: Kaizuki, is that why you have been sounding like Best Cat?

That goes back a long way over at BASQUE, nyan. I randomly catgirl'ed at senpai and he reacted in a manner which was conducive to getting more writing out of him...? And then eventually this happened. And, uhhhhh I decided I liked the Avvie. And... Well, nyan.

So, I sound like bestcat because I am the Omake-Writing Catgirl at BAHHSCQ. I came here for the metabomb and I've been in here a lot lately because... Reasons? Uh. I blame Firn. Nyan.
 
That goes back a long way over at BASQUE, nyan. I randomly catgirl'ed at senpai and he reacted in a manner which was conducive to getting more writing out of him...? And then eventually this happened. And, uhhhhh I decided I liked the Avvie. And... Well, nyan.

So, I sound like bestcat because I am the Omake-Writing Catgirl at BAHHSCQ. I came here for the metabomb and I've been in here a lot lately because... Reasons? Uh. I blame Firn. Nyan.
You know, I almost thought you were TBD in disguise... heck you are talking just like Amura would...
Actually I do think that...
 
Hey guys, how's it going?

*Sees an Argument taking place*

I... Have no Idea what is happening right now.
 
I meant in-Thread not in-Story.
Discussion on what to do next and/or what to say next.

Some prefer to focus on comforting Mami, making sure that she is all right.

Others prefer to focus on telling her the rest of the metabomb.

Then there are a few who want to tell her the Witchbomb.
 
Into the mind of Tomoe Mami
Hmm...

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This is the mind of Tomoe Mami.

She is lonely. Her loneliness defines her.

All she does stems of that loneliness. That she pushes herself ever harder to present herself as the perfect magical girl is borne of a desire to be looked up to. That she adopts and helps people is obvious.

And every time, they leave her.

It wounds her deeply, every time, another crack in her perfection she desperately shores up.

And yet, she picks another, and tries again.

Kyuubey, perhaps her only constant friend (and even then, not much of one, but one she clings to for a lack of anyone else), brings to her news of a new potential in town, one with gargantuan potential.

And so, Tomoe Mami steels herself to try another time.

Perhaps it'll go better this time.

And then comes the white haired foreigner.

Sabrina.

And she's perfect.

Everything that Mami could have ever hoped for. She needs help; poor dear hardly remembers herself. She's cheerful, friendly, and just as happy to have a friend. She's more than willing to help Mami out in a hunt. She's a terrifyingly powerful magical girl, and more than strong enough to hold her own in a fight. She has a unique power that makes her amazing.

And she's perfectly happy to go along with Mami. She lives together with her, sees her off in the mornings, and then goes on hunts with her. She's even charismatic enough to do what Mami never believes she could, and helps to mend bridges with the other magical girl in town. They banter together, and tease like they've known each other for years.

But.

But.

Mami begins to realize...

Perhaps Sabrina doesn't need her. Sure, she's a little reckless, but she has power and then some to blow through obstacles. Sure, she's a little rude, but she's happy and cheerful and charismatic that people can't help but like her. Sure, she tends to go off on the oddest of tangents, but it's just enough to be cute, on her.

Perhaps Sabrina doesn't need broken old Mami, when she shines far brighter than Mami ever could.

She confesses, in a fit of emotion, baring her soul to this girl she feels she's known for half her life, hoping beyond hope that this time, it doesn't go bad, but knowing that it will, that Sabrina, on seeing how pathetic Mami is, will walk away. Like everyone else.

But she doesn't.

Sabrina picks her up, tells her she's a wonderful person, that she's helped people. That she's worth something.

And Mami lets herself believe.

She lets herself believe that one day she can live up to Sabrina.

That if she keeps at it, she can be as good a person as Sabrina says she is.

Perhaps it'll go better this time.

She doesn't think she can take it if it doesn't.

And so it goes.

They live together, they fight together. She doesn't mind much that Sabrina has to go do her own things, too. She can't be tied down all the time with her, after all.

Mami believes, and it is perfect.

And so it goes...

Then Sabrina says she has something to tell her. Something awful, from the way she acts.

Her worst fears come to life.

That Sabrina knew her from the beginning. From a distance.

Like Kyuubey said: Sabrina was a good actor.

She has nothing left.
 
Hmm...

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This is the mind of Tomoe Mami.

She is lonely. Her loneliness defines her.

All she does stems of that loneliness. That she pushes herself ever harder to present herself as the perfect magical girl is borne of a desire to be looked up to. That she adopts and helps people is obvious.

And every time, they leave her.

It wounds her deeply, every time, another crack in her perfection she desperately shores up.

And yet, she picks another, and tries again.

Kyuubey, perhaps her only constant friend (and even then, not much of one, but one she clings to for a lack of anyone else), brings to her news of a new potential in town, one with gargantuan potential.

And so, Tomoe Mami steels herself to try another time.

Perhaps it'll go better this time.

And then comes the white haired foreigner.

Sabrina.

And she's perfect.

Everything that Mami could have ever hoped for. She needs help; poor dear hardly remembers herself. She's cheerful, friendly, and just as happy to have a friend. She's more than willing to help Mami out in a hunt. She's a terrifyingly powerful magical girl, and more than strong enough to hold her own in a fight. She has a unique power that makes her amazing.

And she's perfectly happy to go along with Mami. She lives together with her, sees her off in the mornings, and then goes on hunts with her. She's even charismatic enough to do what Mami never believes she could, and helps to mend bridges with the other magical girl in town. They banter together, and tease like they've known each other for years.

But.

But.

Mami begins to realize...

Perhaps Sabrina doesn't need her. Sure, she's a little reckless, but she has power and then some to blow through obstacles. Sure, she's a little rude, but she's happy and cheerful and charismatic that people can't help but like her. Sure, she tends to go off on the oddest of tangents, but it's just enough to be cute, on her.

Perhaps Sabrina doesn't need broken old Mami, when she shines far brighter than Mami ever could.

She confesses, in a fit of emotion, baring her soul to this girl she feels she's known for half her life, hoping beyond hope that this time, it doesn't go bad, but knowing that it will, that Sabrina, on seeing how pathetic Mami is, will walk away. Like everyone else.

But she doesn't.

Sabrina picks her up, tells her she's a wonderful person, that she's helped people. That she's worth something.

And Mami lets herself believe.

She lets herself believe that one day she can live up to Sabrina.

That if she keeps at it, she can be as good a person as Sabrina says she is.

Perhaps it'll go better this time.

She doesn't think she can take it if it doesn't.

And so it goes.

They live together, they fight together. She doesn't mind much that Sabrina has to go do her own things, too. She can't be tied down all the time with her, after all.

Mami believes, and it is perfect.

And so it goes...

Then Sabrina says she has something to tell her. Something awful, from the way she acts.

Her worst fears come to life.

That Sabrina knew her from the beginning. From a distance.

Like Kyuubey said: Sabrina was a good actor.

She has nothing left.
Oh, god.
Guys, we have to do something.Quick.
We are needing her.And, more to the point, this is UNFAIR.
All remarks about Limpets etc aside, Mami does deserve happiness.As much as possible.As badly as Homura.
 
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Just to cut off the panic - no, Mami's Gem isn't filling up unduly fast now. That's around the point where Sabrina cleaned it earlier.

Well, that is a relief, something like imminent murder/suicide seems unlikely.
But still, this marks a shift in our relationship. And indicates that her trust in us has not come out unscathed.

Oh yea, and I'm back, baby!
 
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Wow. I guess we're really bad at communication, then. That was like the one thing we wanted to convey, and we couldn't manage it with the person in the quest we have the best read on, with a year of planning.
The thing is, however you wrap it up, it's nigh on impossible to get around "I knew about you and made friends using said pre-existing knowledge about you" without it sounding manipulative. Because, well, it is.
 
The thing is, however you wrap it up, it's nigh on impossible to get around "I knew about you and made friends using said pre-existing knowledge about you" without it sounding manipulative. Because, well, it is.
Except we, you know, didn't. We didn't really use any special knowledge about her, other than the fact that she wants a friend because she lives alone and Kyubey wasn't a good friend to her. It's not like there's a lot of special knowledge to exploit here, or frankly like there's much needed at all: Mami is kind of a soft touch, really.
 
Except we, you know, didn't. We didn't really use any special knowledge about her, other than the fact that she wants a friend because she lives alone and Kyubey wasn't a good friend to her. It's not like there's a lot of special knowledge to exploit here, or frankly like there's much needed at all: Mami is kind of a soft touch, really.
I think you may be missing the point here. The knowledge doesn't even need to be what one would consider special. And even then, a single instance of using that kind of knowledge is enough to validate the accusation of us having manipulated her. From the very first meeting between Sabrina and Mami, the votes and actions were influenced by the thread's knowledge about her, and actions regarding her were planned in accordance with that. It doesn't need to be about pulling the most obvious ones of the strings to be manipulation.
 
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