[X] Kaizuki
1. "biologically female" isn't a thing. Just, please don't.
I'm not sure how that is offensive. Saying that someone is "biologically female" doesn't in any way detract from their self-identity as a man. It just states that such man has female genitalia.
Unless this is a refference to some anti-trans hate-speech that I'm unaware of?
 
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Uh, yes it is. Have you never studied biology in high school?
People don't like hearing about genetics and sexual dimorphism on SV, trust me.

Can't you guys at least have the decency to get threadbanned for something original instead of the goddamned attack helicopter shit? It's not even the clever kind of assholery, you're just a parrot.

A dickish parrot.

Like a cockatoo. Evil little bastards.
 
Well these might help

imagakblog.wordpress.com

Suspended in Dreams on the Mitakihara Loop Line – A Nietzschean Reading of Madoka Magica: Rebellion Story

“…to experience is to invent…” – DB 119 The first time I saw Rebellion was in a movie theater in December of 2013. I had a pretty intense emotional reaction to the end…




Cheers, mate!
 
[X] Kaizuki

I'm not sure how that is offensive. Saying that someone is "biologically female" doesn't in any way detract from their self-identity as a man. It just states that such man has female genitalia.
Unless this is a refference to some anti-trans hate-speech that I'm unaware of?
There is (or at least was, I've stopped paying attention to it) a debate about whether genders such as male and female are biological fact or simply constructs made by human society.
 
Re: Biologically Female

The question of if somebody is biologically X or Y (pun unintended) is... honestly not the right question. For instance, it's possible to have female genitalia, XY Chromosomes, and... theoretically a person could also be on estrogen suppressors (don't quote me on that one -- I don't know quite enough about that specific area of biology) to be simultaneously biologically female, male, and agender.
 
There is (or at least was, I've stopped paying attention to it) a debate about whether genders such as male and female are biological fact or simply constructs made by human society.
OK, I wanna be careful here so I don't offend anyone, so I have to ask:
Are people really debating the concept of sexual dimorphism in the human species?
Not trying to be an asshole. Legit curious.
 
OK, I wanna be careful here so I don't offend anyone, so I have to ask:
Are people really debating the concept of sexual dimorphism in the human species?
Not trying to be an asshole. Legit curious.
Yes. And it's not a new debate.

I think the last time I looked at the debate about biological sex, it was around 2015. To be honest, both sides had some points, but the radicals on both sides made the whole debate seem ridiculous to me, so I lost interest in it.

i actually forgot that it happened until today.
 
OK, I wanna be careful here so I don't offend anyone, so I have to ask:
Are people really debating the concept of sexual dimorphism in the human species?
Not trying to be an asshole. Legit curious.
Less that it doesn't exist, more that any significant investigation reveals sexual dimorphism to be more like wide categories with fuzzy edges and a nonnegligible overlap. This is a good thread on the genes/chromosomes sub-argument; the XX/XY thing from high-school biology is... about as simplified-and-sometimes-inaccurate as you'd expect grade-school science classes to be, I suppose. Hormones, readily-visible physical characteristics, susceptibility to various diseases, everything else... it's all more like two overlapping bell curves that people got used to just treating as two big boxes. I recall reading something else a while ago that went into more detail on more than just that particular subset in the above link, but I seem to have not bookmarked it and now cannot find it.
 
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OK, I wanna be careful here so I don't offend anyone, so I have to ask:
Are people really debating the concept of sexual dimorphism in the human species?
Not trying to be an asshole. Legit curious.
Sex is a spectrum, not a binary, and is a combination of biological, environmental, cultural, and socially constructed factors, many of which are also changeable. This isn't controversial among biologists, it's just a lot more complex than the common grade school story of "two sexes that are biologically determined at birth and unchangeable"; here's a good article on the biological aspects. (And of course, sex is also a different thing from gender, which is also not a binary and has significant social and cultural variation.)
 
Warning: Quick interjection
quick interjection Two things:

First, please remember that while we have a tendency to use the words interchangeably, sex and gender do not actually mean the same thing, and using them interchangeably can cause confusion, hurt, and anger in discussions like the one that is currently ongoing.

Second, this ultimately not a thread for exploring gender in detail. Let's reel it back in, here. Thank you.
 
2. A girl who wished to be a boy was never a girl to begin with. It's like the Wizard of Oz with the lion wishing to be brave. You're describing a trans boy. Use he.
I apologize if I'm poking at a third rail here, but aren't magical girl wishes somewhat intent agnostic?

In other words, so long as it's a correctly formatted request from an individual who checked the right boxes, they'll cheerfully make it happen and yank your soul out without much care for the other details. I think this is at least partially the case because "you got what you asked for, but it didn't have much to do with what you actually wanted and ends up running roughshod over the intended outcome" is a recurring theme in the source material.

You'd be entirely correct if the individual was making a sincere wish to change their "physical attributes" (for lack of a better term) to better align with their self-identity. However, if the only actual requirement for getting such a wish granted were for somebody to say the magic words "I wish to be a man" or something to that effect, wouldn't it be possible for somebody who identifies as female to get that wish granted despite it having nothing to do with their gender identity? For example, a first-grader who encounters Kyuubey with her friend ends up getting dared into doing it or some other flavor of coercion is involved, or just "I meant it sarcastically, I didn't expect to actually get it."
 
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I have a confession to make. I am not a clever guy.

So with that out of the way, does anyone have a good writeup to link me to that goes into what Rebellion was about? Watched it twice but couldn't make much sense of it even if someone held me at gunpoint :???:

(The ending of regular Madoka Magica made sense to me, so got that covered at least).
I don't know how deep you want to go with it, but I'll give you a rough summary of events as I understood them.

At the end of Madoka Magica, Madoka wished to personally mercy kill every magical girl in history just before they witched out. This resulted in history being retconned in a way that Homura was the only one who remembered how things used to work. In the new timeline, Kyubey just knew that when Soul Gems get sufficiently filled with Grief, they spontaneously vanish. This phenomenon is referred to as the Law of Cycles. Homura talked about her experiences in the pre-retcon timeline with Kyubey.

Kyubey was intrigued by the idea of the old witch system and finding out that the Law of Cycles might be a time traveling magical girl, decided that if it was true, they might be able to stop Madoka's actions and go back to the witch system, which had higher energy yield than the new way things were working.

Kyubey's experiment involved trapping Homura inside a supertech isolation field to keep any outside influence out of it while pushing her Soul Gem to the very edge of its limit. The idea was that when Madoka showed up to collect Homura to prevent her from witching out, the Incubators would be able to observe the event and use what they learned to work out a way to put a stop to the Law of Cycles permanently.

Most of the movie is Homura in a quasi-barrier as she's teetering on the edge of witching out. The Incubator isolation field allowed her to draw people into the quasi-barrier as part of how they were handling their observation of the experiment. Since Homura knew Madoka personally, that invitation mechanism was somehow related to them observing Madoka and gathering data on how to stop her.

Kyubey underestimated Madoka's intelligence, again. Madoka played a memory gambit by taking the already dead Sayaka and Nagisa and having them hold on to her memories and powers when the three of them passed into the barrier. This made it harder for Kyubey to figure out exactly how much of their presence was related to the Law of Cycles experiment and how much was Homura summoning up quasi-familiars of her fallen friends.

Over the course of the movie, Homura gradually works out what's happened and where she is. Meanwhile, because Madoka's running a memory gambit, she doesn't know why she decided to become the Law of Cycles in the first place, so Homura and Madoka have a conversation where they talk past eachother that convinces Homura that Madoka isn't really happy being the Law of Cycles.

Homura had been getting by believing that Madoka was happy and safely beyond the Incubators' ability to harm, but the combination of the conversation with the amnesiac Madoka and Kyubey actively trying to fuck with Madoka again caused Homura to snap. She decided that witching out and having her friends kill her witch instead of being collected by the Law of Cycles was the best way to keep Kyubey from being able to carry out his plan.

After Madoka got her powers and memories back, got through to Homura, and blew up the barrier, Homura was still very much in the mindset that Madoka being the Law of Cycles was Madoka suffering for everyone else instead of being happy, so Homura somehow overloaded her Soul Gem on Love instead of Hope or Grief like they normally use, got a bunch of new super powers, broke Madoka in half, leaving a non-sentient, partially functional Law of Cycles out there and an amnesiac Madoka who was just a normal girl. She then used her new powers to put the entire universe inside a barrier, created a ton of familiars to kill Kyubey's various bodies, and erased all her friends' memories of what had happened so they could go back to being normal girls inside a universe she controlled.

All the while Clara Dolls, Homura's familiars, spend their time jeering at Homura, and basically acting as an externalized version of Homura's own self-loathing.
 
She then used her new powers to put the entire universe inside a barrier, created a ton of familiars to kill Kyubey's various bodies, and erased all her friends' memories of what had happened so they could go back to being normal girls inside a universe she controlled.
She also made the entire Incubator race into a grief sink, where all the negative emotions that would normally result from magic are just vented into them, causing them suffering.
 
thou shalt not suffer a witch to live

(probably not tbh - kyubey is just another tempter that leads people away from christ)
The Catholic Church, from when I was in it (so including 2011), wasn't that big on that sort of rhetoric to my knowledge. They focused their ideology more on stuff like developing a personal relationship with God/Christ as well as charity work.
 
The Catholic Church, from when I was in it (so including 2011), wasn't that big on that sort of rhetoric to my knowledge. They focused their ideology more on stuff like developing a personal relationship with God/Christ as well as charity work.

hmmm... actually, yeah, that's a good point. i might have been thinking more of protestants.
 
As an aside, what happens to magical girls who make a meme wish?
My personal reading is someone who, when given a wish for anything, is likely to make it a joke, is not likely someone who QB would target, unless he figures that the wish will fuck them up into witching out. Otherwise, he generally goes for people in desperation, and wish unoptimally.
 
The intent of a wish is generally much more important than the exact wording.

If a magical girl made a joke wish because she wanted to make her friends laugh, I'd expect her to get a comedy themed powerset built around both the exact wording of her wish and that of other jokes she's told, along with a more indirect power that lets her entertain people or the like, for example.
 
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