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Angrygenius said:
New thought: Does the interprettation of Kyuubey's system change based on the culture of the land kyuube recruits from? Like, i know the law of cycles is like the pure lands of buddhism, but is that only a regional thing? Is there an equivalent in the western world where it's basically the Christian heaven, and all that entails? And, for that matter, would there be an equivalent to hell?
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How would that work, tho? The Witches are Sinners, Magical Girls are angels, how?
 
Angrygenius said:
New thought: Does the interprettation of Kyuubey's system change based on the culture of the land kyuube recruits from? Like, i know the law of cycles is like the pure lands of buddhism, but is that only a regional thing? Is there an equivalent in the western world where it's basically the Christian heaven, and all that entails? And, for that matter, would there be an equivalent to hell?
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No, everything is the same everywhere. The closest thing there is to Hell is being a witch.
 
Torgamous said:
No, everything is the same everywhere. The closest thing there is to Hell is being a witch.
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Ah.

Wait, the only reason that pure lands-like place exists is because of Madoka, right?'

So does it still technically exist in the story?

Also, forgive me for my spotty knowledge on canon, I've never actually sat down and watched/read the actual material. Everything I know is from Fanfictions, wiki surfing, and what has been going on here.
 
Redshirt Army said:
We don't actually know that. The various side materials make it clear that there's an afterlife of some kind even for non-magical girls, and also that ghosts are a real thing. So who knows, maybe there is a Christian afterlife.
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Then maybe there is a hell.

Relatedly, imagine if the Slayer was introduced to kyuubey.

*RIP AND TEAR INTENSIFIES*
 
Angrygenius said:
Ah.

Wait, the only reason that pure lands-like place exists is because of Madoka, right?'

So does it still technically exist in the story?
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Firnagzen said:
Madoka shrugs sheepishly, a radiant smile lighting up her face. "I will once have erased my own Witch and myself from existence. I may will never have actually done it, but I did."
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So, short answer is it's complicated and long answer is it's complicated.
Redshirt Army said:
We don't actually know that. The various side materials make it clear that there's an afterlife of some kind even for non-magical girls, and also that ghosts are a real thing. So who knows, maybe there is a Christian afterlife.
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Is there any reason to think that it changes based on who's doing the dying, aside from magical girls who have their own thing going on? This isn't American Gods, a big part of Madoka is things not being how people expect or believe.
 
Torgamous said:
Is there any reason to think that it changes based on who's doing the dying, aside from magical girls who have their own thing going on? This isn't American Gods, a big part of Madoka is things not being how people expect or believe.
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There isn't, and I would certainly expect the "mundane" afterlife to have little in common with the Christian conception of an afterlife, but my point is that we don't actually know.
 
Torgamous said:
I learned about it from this thread a year before it aired. Ignorance of its existence isn't why it doesn't come up much.
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To be a bit clearer, I remember quite a bit of talk here about it before it came out, I think this is where I heard of it actually. I just haven't heard anyone say anything about it anywhere ever since. So I thought that even if people knew it existed they didn't watch it.
Ice fairy said:
Not JUST her fricken fire extinguisher. Also, take some chops back. You'll see another guy talking about it for a sec before getting rekted by a rule violation. An FYI: it's technically not canon here. Mostly because at the time of firn knowing it, it was all kappanese-IMEAN japanese. AND WELL
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I know it's non-canon man, I've been here a lot longer than you. Although you can be forgiven for not knowing that since I mostly lurk. And occasionally pop in to ask why we haven't told Kyouko literally anything or why we haven't warned literally anyone in town that the Soujos are on their way.
 
King Washington said:
Kyubey has been on Earth since the Stone Age. For example, I'd assume he'd be aware If there really was a global flood at any point.
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Oh, sure, Kyuubey could confirm if like, Jesus was actually a magical girl or dinosaurs really were retroactively invented by a wish, but it doesn't have any insight into what the actual afterlife or whatever.
 
Redshirt Army said:
or dinosaurs really were retroactively invented by a wish,
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Kyubey doesn't have any protection from temporal schenanigans. That's why he has to figure out Homura's power before he can work out she's a time traveler. If someone retconned dinosaurs into existence, Kyubey might have good reason to suspect that of being the case, but would have no special knowledge about it one way or the other.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
Oh, sure, Kyuubey could confirm if like, Jesus was actually a magical girl or dinosaurs really were retroactively invented by a wish, but it doesn't have any insight into what the actual afterlife or whatever.
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I'm trying to wrap my head around how Jesus of Nazareth could have been a magical girl, considering he's confirmed to have been a real person according to Roman records, and from what I remember males can't become magical girls.
 
Angrygenius said:
I'm trying to wrap my head around how Jesus of Nazareth could have been a magical girl, considering he's confirmed to have been a real person according to Roman records, and from what I remember males can't become magical girls.
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It was a dumb hypothetical. That said, if I wanted to write a fic where Jesus was a magical girl, I can think of some ways to do it:
- Actually, Jesus was a girl the whole time and historical records were just wrong. (aka the Fate/Stay Night Saber Approach)
- Actually, Jesus was a girl who pretended to be a man, Joan of Arc style.
- Actually, Jesus was a guy but Kyuubey contracts guys with sufficient potential anyway.
 
Menthewarp said:
magical wish historical retcon.

Solves all your plot holes or your money back!
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Redshirt Army said:
It was a dumb hypothetical. That said, if I wanted to write a fic where Jesus was a magical girl, I can think of some ways to do it:
- Actually, Jesus was a girl the whole time and historical records were just wrong. (aka the Fate/Stay Night Saber Approach)
- Actually, Jesus was a girl who pretended to be a man, Joan of Arc style.
- Actually, Jesus was a guy but Kyuubey contracts guys with sufficient potential anyway.
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That third one seems the most plausible, as there was meticulous documentation about everything Jesus did, and you'd think the bible would mention the fact that he was a girl, so one and two are out.

I do hope that it isn't the case, though, because if it turns out to be true, it would decimate Kyouko, knowing that the person she placed her faith in all her life was just another product of the white devil she sold her soul to.
 
I have to wonder if trans magical girls are a thing and if kyubey selects for "girls" based off assigned sex(/upbringing) or gender - if he selected based off assigned sex, male magical girls would be possible ("I wish I was a man!"). If he selected based on gender, male magical girls wouldn't exist but magical girls that can pass as male would - which is very much not the same thing but might appear as the same thing if the magical girl in question never got around to sorting out her dysphoria.
 
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TortugaGreen said:
I have to wonder if trans magical girls are a thing and if kyubey selects for "girls" based off assigned sex(/upbringing) or gender - if he selected based off assigned sex, male magical girls would be possible ("I wish I was a man!"). If he selected based on gender, male magical girls wouldn't exist but magical girls that can pass as male would - which is very much not the same thing but might appear as the same thing if the magical girl in question never got around to sorting out her dysphoria.
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My understanding of it was that , for whatever reason, Gender Dysphoria automatically disqualified a girl from becoming a magical girl.
 
Angrygenius said:
I'm trying to wrap my head around how Jesus of Nazareth could have been a magical girl, considering he's confirmed to have been a real person according to Roman records, and from what I remember males can't become magical girls.
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We haven't read a Bible in PMAS. Jesus might well be recorded as female in this universe's version of the Bible. We know there are other divergences from our timeline due to Incubator activity. The teen Idol industry being less predatory is one we noted. The improved safety protocols in the Fukishima nuclear reactor was another.

Remember, PMMM and PMAS are not our reality. They have a lot of superficial similarities, but there are also a lot of differances we haven't delved deeply into due to being 3 weeks old and being pretty focused on our projects.
 
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