deadly queen empress mumi has no weakness



Why did you link this ear rape? Like ow. My ears. And my poor headphones for having to produce the sound. This is not Mami's theme and it won't ever be Mami's theme as far as I am concerned. Also:

@Angrygenius

For some decent discussion on Buddhist themes in PMMM/PMAS, here's one of the better effortposts on the subject.

(I only quoted a snippet, but the whole post is good, as is the followup discussion afterwards.)

Thanks for linking this. It's informative.
 
ETHANOL THAT'S THE STRONGEST I WIN HA

somebody fucking knock me out i wanna sleep

GUN. I WIN BECAUSE I HAVE MY NEUTRAL SPECIAL GUN!

Pretty sure this is a case of "delayed reaction" generally refering to our potential Witch Out. Unless it's not that, in which case, I am not sure. Maybe we are the Equal, opposite reaction to Kyubeey's Sistem.
n000000000nononoonon let's not witch out. I dont want to see our talk of THE MEDGUKA THAT SHALL NAWT BE NAIMED come out of our witch. That stuff's embarussing you know. That, and i would like to not find out what happens if a glorified hivemind commits witch.


Why did you link this ear rape? Like ow. My ears. And my poor headphones for having to produce the sound. This is not Mami's theme and it won't ever be Mami's theme as far as I am concerned

THE MEMESZZZZZ

That's one of the systems we're breaking, like how mom destroyed her own witch.

Ah, yes. Momdoka.

Like, she was trying to find her self-worth in other people because she didn't believe she had worth in and by herself. That's why she was was fighting Witches alone for years without ever stopping: because protecting people made her existence have objective value she could ( try to ) prove to herself.

Homura and Mami aren't that different, it's just Homura finds her worth exclusively in Madoka, while Mami branches out faster than a chain of fast-food restaurants in hopes of someone(s) who would stay with her.

Mmm, I'm hungry.

yoy want a snickers or something?


side note. I wonder how iowaquest people are voting like. And who are they controlling.
 
Every hope for something the world isn't naturally providing is a rejection of the world that exists, and so there's going to be resistance to getting what you want and it's going to be temporary or distorted at best.
One possible counter-answer to this is that both we and canon Madoka are exceptions to the Law of Conservation of Hope because we had two things: a wish to change ourselves instead of the world and a clear conception on how the wish was to be achieved. By not directly changing the world, we don't cause an imbalance in the world. Everyone has potential within themselves that they can use to change the world with their own hands. Wishes allow you to take a shortcut and directly use all your potential at once to push on the world, but the world naturally pushes back. I suspect that potential is also, to some degree, luck. If you take your luck out of yourself and put it into the world, you're going to be unlucky.

If you don't have a clear conception of the change you want to enact, you have no control over how the world pushes back. This is actually seen in another Urobuchi work: Fate/Zero. The protagonist wishes for world peace, but doesn't know any way to achieve world peace, except omnicide. Despite having a powerful wish granting item, he is unable to achieve his goal because he doesn't know how to make it happen. Even if he did, perhaps his plan for a utopia wouldn't work as well as he expected. If you've ever tried to plan a project, you will find that there are always unexpected problems. Magic will faithfully execute your plan, even if it turns out to be a bad idea: your wish can only be as smart as your were when you made it.

I'm pretty sure that altruism and empathy are also things that stop you from getting screwed over, because potential is basically karma, but I don't really have a well-formed point there.

In conclusion, I think it's possible to win the game, even in Urobuchi's framework. But you can't cheat and you gotta wish good.
 
For some context, in Buddhism attachments, including attachments to life, are impurities that prevent you from reaching enlightenment.

So... yeah, take that as you will, but that's almost certainly the lens you should approach Mami's powers and personality from when doing a narrative analysis.

In that sense, Mami's judgement being clouded and her dying the moment she declares that "she's not alone anymore" was all but inevitable.

Luckily for Mami, PMAS doesn't follow Buddhist themes to anywhere close to the same extent as PMMM.
Weren't the Wraiths named after Buddhist levels of enlightenment? There's also the interpretation of the Law of Cycles is more like Nirvana then the Christian Heaven, granted Sayaka and Nagisa still had attachments to the mortal world (Kyoko and cheese) so perhaps that analogy is not entirely fitting.
 
One possible counter-answer to this is that both we and canon Madoka are exceptions to the Law of Conservation of Hope because we had two things: a wish to change ourselves instead of the world and a clear conception on how the wish was to be achieved. By not directly changing the world, we don't cause an imbalance in the world. Everyone has potential within themselves that they can use to change the world with their own hands. Wishes allow you to take a shortcut and directly use all your potential at once to push on the world, but the world naturally pushes back. I suspect that potential is also, to some degree, luck. If you take your luck out of yourself and put it into the world, you're going to be unlucky.

If you don't have a clear conception of the change you want to enact, you have no control over how the world pushes back. This is actually seen in another Urobuchi work: Fate/Zero. The protagonist wishes for world peace, but doesn't know any way to achieve world peace, except omnicide. Despite having a powerful wish granting item, he is unable to achieve his goal because he doesn't know how to make it happen. Even if he did, perhaps his plan for a utopia wouldn't work as well as he expected. If you've ever tried to plan a project, you will find that there are always unexpected problems. Magic will faithfully execute your plan, even if it turns out to be a bad idea: your wish can only be as smart as your were when you made it.

I'm pretty sure that altruism and empathy are also things that stop you from getting screwed over, because potential is basically karma, but I don't really have a well-formed point there.

In conclusion, I think it's possible to win the game, even in Urobuchi's framework. But you can't cheat and you gotta wish good.

That's pretty clearly not how it works since there's a boatload of canonical Meguca who wish to change themselves and still get fucked over.

It's not really the content of their wishes that let them transcend the system, really; Madoka actually did not in fact transcend it. She just knew exactly what she wanted and was entirely prepared for the consequences and the cost. Sabrina.... Well okay she did, because of her wish, but the content of her wish doesn't matter so much as the fact that GOD gave her a fucking blank check to shortchange reality and do a sick backflip over causality.

Weren't the Wraiths named after Buddhist levels of enlightenment? There's also the interpretation of the Law of Cycles is more like Nirvana then the Christian Heaven, granted Sayaka and Nagisa still had attachments to the mortal world (Kyoko and cheese) so perhaps that analogy is not entirely fitting.

The Law of Cycles is pretty much the Pure Lands. It's the closest thing to 'Heaven' in the Buddhist framework, being a place without putrefaction (thus no cheese), but not being intended to be the final rest stop. It's contentful enough that new desires are not born there, but desires in the old world cannot be resolved either.

Allllso it's strongly implied that Magical Girls in the Law of Cycles don't keep existing as purely individuals and that they fuse into a gestalt consciousness; they're even described as 'dreaming'. So Sayaka and Nagisa were cut out of the Law of Cycles and woken back up to being who they were. Who knows how that effects them.
 
Allllso it's strongly implied that Magical Girls in the Law of Cycles don't keep existing as purely individuals and that they fuse into a gestalt consciousness; they're even described as 'dreaming'. So Sayaka and Nagisa were cut out of the Law of Cycles and woken back up to being who they were. Who knows how that effects them.

Ah so that's why she is a boneless monster with elongated neck.

I mean Sayaka, Nagisa is a cinnamon roll.

Nagisa's right on this one. If heaven doesn't have cheese I'm not going. 😠

Luckily, Sabrina's other not-mom is ready to provide a cheeseful existence. Salt is complementary.
 
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The Law of Cycles is pretty much the Pure Lands. It's the closest thing to 'Heaven' in the Buddhist framework, being a place without putrefaction (thus no cheese), but not being intended to be the final rest stop. It's contentful enough that new desires are not born there, but desires in the old world cannot be resolved either.

Allllso it's strongly implied that Magical Girls in the Law of Cycles don't keep existing as purely individuals and that they fuse into a gestalt consciousness; they're even described as 'dreaming'. So Sayaka and Nagisa were cut out of the Law of Cycles and woken back up to being who they were. Who knows how that effects them.
Interesting. Sounds kind of disturbing but obviously a better fate then becoming a witch.

I guess that would make Rebellion even more of a thematic contrast against of original series given Homura becomes a material god that maintains her individuality and rejects Madoka's "otherworldlyness".
Nagisa's right on this one. If heaven doesn't have cheese I'm not going. 😠
Madokami: Sorry Nagisa, there is no chee- wait why do I hear boss music?
 
I guess that would make Rebellion even more of a thematic contrast against of original series given Homura becomes a material god that maintains her individuality and rejects Madoka's "otherworldlyness".

Of course she rejects becoming a concept. Her most desirable Wish is to be with Madoka, it's only because she believes Madoka to be unhappy in heaven that she didn't let her collect her soul.

Though about thematic contrast, I cannot say
Rebellion Story is essentially Miserable Lesbians 2: Homuric Witcheroo, whether it even has a theme aside from another team of writers overwriting the one time Urobuchi honestly tried to come up with a happy ending is. Debatable.
 
Of course she rejects becoming a concept. Her most desirable Wish is to be with Madoka, it's only because she believes Madoka to be unhappy in heaven that she didn't let her collect her soul.

Though about thematic contrast, I cannot say
Rebellion Story is essentially Miserable Lesbians 2: Homuric Witcheroo, whether it even has a theme aside from another team of writers overwriting the one time Urobuchi honestly tried to come up with a happy ending is. Debatable.

Nah, Urobuchi had plenty of input into Rebellion. He ruined his happy ending himself. :V
 
I don't think most people have seen that. I have seen it, and while it's not as good as Madoka I think it deserved a better reception than it got, but I don't think most people in this thread have any idea what you're talking about. I could be wrong though.

I mean, we're all massive Madoka nerds here. Magia Record may not be canon to PMAS, but I'm sure basically all of the effortposters have watched it.
 
I mean, we're all massive Madoka nerds here. Magia Record may not be canon to PMAS, but I'm sure basically all of the effortposters have watched it.
Huh, Ice Fairy is pretty much the first person I've heard talk about it anywhere, even including this thread. It felt like I was one of the only people who watched it.
lel. I swear he needs to see it. At least, the sayaka scene. You can agree with me right?
And yes, Sayaka and her trusty fire extinguisher got to be cool at the end there.
 
New thought: Does the interprettation of Kyuubey's system change based on the culture of the land kyuube recruits from? Like, i know the law of cycles is like the pure lands of buddhism, but is that only a regional thing? Is there an equivalent in the western world where it's basically the Christian heaven, and all that entails? And, for that matter, would there be an equivalent to hell?
 
Huh, Ice Fairy is pretty much the first person I've heard talk about it anywhere, even including this thread. It felt like I was one of the only people who watched it.

And yes, Sayaka and her trusty fire extinguisher got to be cool at the end there.

Not JUST her fricken fire extinguisher. Also, take some chops back. You'll see another guy talking about it for a sec before getting rekted by a rule violation. An FYI: it's technically not canon here. Mostly because at the time of firn knowing it, it was all kappanese-IMEAN japanese. AND WELL UH...If you look right now the magica record NA servers are all on fire because money hungers. Big F to ashley too.


New thought: Does the interprettation of Kyuubey's system change based on the culture of the land kyuube recruits from? Like, i know the law of cycles is like the pure lands of buddhism, but is that only a regional thing? Is there an equivalent in the western world where it's basically the Christian heaven, and all that entails? And, for that matter, would there be an equivalent to hell?
.....do we REALLY want to see what'd occur in MARICA!.mp4?




big huge side note: no really i wana talk about iowaquesters more. I wana figure out who they're potentally in control of and how we can commit massive war against them end their quest right here and now. Or maybe see if we can extend their quest the RIGHT way.
 
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