Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
We thought about cutting a finger, for meguca mitosis, just in case there were problems with cutting ourselves in half, you know.
There's so many things in the backburner...
Eh, if we're going to cut something off it should be a hand, so it can go around being Thing if the experiment fails.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
There's... 'unfortunately', plenty of players who are not OK with self mutilation, even if there's magical healing involved.
This is making me want to try familiar-making tests. Automatons? Partially leeching off Sabrina's multitasking magic? Witchy constructs? Mitosis? Options, options, options...
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Those take up concentration. I think a familiar would be able to act independently of its owner.
Maybe.
Something to keep in mind, I didn't remember:
We could play more than Credens Justitiam for Mami...
Lordsservent
Servant of the one true God and SV
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Maybe we could play her the Star Wars opening song?(I love that one, and Star Wars in general.)
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- South Africa
What if I shorten my previous vote to just the green part?
EDIT: And make the blue changes.
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SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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Ugo, you've rated a serious post as "Funny" because you didn't agree with it and wanted to passive-aggressively mock it, again.We tried to say we need to give her information. We haven't tried communicating that we give a damn about her properly, at all.
What is guaranteed to backfire, spectacularly, is yelling at her about horrible things that she won't be inclined to believe or even listen to right off the bat without so much as an apology.
It's entirely accurate to say that's more or less what you want us to do- since she isn't going to calm down if we stand there like we've been degemmed.
...Ono is not a robot. She will not feed the data card into her input slot, analyze our response with a positronic brain, and spit out a sheet of paper that says 'This situation is bigger than me and my irritiation'. She'll keep yelling at us to get out and we will have done nothing of value, at absolute best. At worst, she actually does shut up long enough for us to break her enough for her to try and force us out and break down, which WILL end in tears for all involved.
You seem to want to treat the entire cast like robots with specific inputs and pre-preprogrammed responses. They aren't robots.
...My character interpretation is terrible. Right. Sure. Let's go with that.
In that case, I'm sure you'll be able to explain why the damn character has been consistently meddling where she sees problems to the point where it's a core trait. Why she didn't just skip off and leave Nagisa when she clearly wasn't meguca. Why she actively intervened in Sendai in an attempt to find the best way for everyone, with Masami when no one really wanted her there at the time, and let's throw in the Sayaka hospital situation to boot where her aid was largely unlooked and unasked for.
Sabrina is consistently a meddler who tries to do the best for others, despite they might think of her at the time...because she thinks she knows better. That isn't a mark of a perfect character, but it is a mark of an interesting one. And it's well, well established.
OF COURSE Ono needs to know the basics of Meguca 101 before we leave. She does not however need to know right this minute while still wanting us gone with every fiber of her being. That is not a sane response to her being in that state.
Hmmm. The other problem with dying is that she can just go 'Uh, no, I feel perfectly alive' and shut us out. The same's true of 'in danger', somewhat...but it avoids the 'LOLNO I FEEL FINE' response approach and gives us something to build on, even if it is less drastic.
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Hmm. My edit's first line is a bit too Cyberman/feels a bit off. Editing to current Muravote for now.
Knock it off. You've already been warned multiple times.
EDIT: And seriously calling SWB's vote "a social suicide note" is both completely unprovoked and absolutely offensive and personal, considering the other offense.
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Vote hasn't left at the end since last night.
Letting someone who is angry burn themselves out us a time-tested way to at the very least, have them stop yelling at you. I have done it myself in real life several times, and it is recommended by every resource I looked for after this objection was raised, especially for those who are not physically aggressive. She has limited physical and emotional energy to expend on yelling, and her own thoughts will not be static while doing so. You can only hold righteous indignation in the face of your embarrassment for so long. Non-response doesn't give her anything else to latch on to to continue. Plus, while it's not really something to be proud of, that we've cornered her here and in timestop means she doesn't have the option of leaving either, which would be a typical continuation. Basically, the idea that waiting on her to slow her freakout to the point where she is waiting on our next action by standing and being patient is not only a good idea, but inevitable if we do it. If things were time- sensitive that would be different, but we are in timestop.
It works. I've done it, I was trained to do it in certain situations, and authorities on the subject recommend it.
Ideally, though, we would give some dialogue. We would calmly explore why she's angry at us, or unhappy at our presence. We would give I statements that work to resolve the specific items that have triggered her emotional response. That means addressing why she's so annoyed, and it means shutting up when she continues and not trying so hard to talk her down. I don't see any vote that does this, and no, talking about why we're here or deflecting to urgent matters is not the same thing.
"I'm sorry for intruding on your private space." <let her respond at length until she stops> "I understand that you didn't want to meet me tonight" <let her continue again, as much as she wants> <another response> etc, and then only after she's done, "I'm here because need speak to you on a matter of life and death.",
As an example, albeit one that has severe wording issues.
Ultimately, I chose not to say anything in my vote because the reasons she's afraid and scared at us aren't possible to resolve. We're the aggressor here, despite the reaction, and we aren't going to agree to go away. Nor can we take any actions to actually mitigate how she feels internally.
Will make a small update to my vote based on this post, but I maintain the general structure is better than the alternatives.
It is not possible to negotiate with her while she is worked up at us. This approach is doomed to failure because it doesn't deal with why she's angry and scared. It is an appropriate tack to try perhaps, after we weather her current breakdown. We cannot attempt to make points until she is actually paying attention to what we say.
There is nothing in this vote that gives consideration to her current state. It is talking at someone who is hysterical, not with them.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
@SynchronizedWritersBlock , a suggestion? Perhaps, for the sake of technical accuracy, a point raised by Mura and others being that Kyuubey could say that anything we tell her is untrue if we aren't specific about it, could you change the fifth line of dialogue to say "It shatters" or something? Unless you don't want to drop the lichbomb, that is, assuming that she doesn't know about it already, which is completely understandable.
It's just that, assuming that Kyuubey wanted to screw with our relationship with Ono, all he'd need to do is call us a liar about something and our credibility'd be shot, because Ono probably still thinks that he's the fluffy mascot creature instead of what he actually is.
It's just that, assuming that Kyuubey wanted to screw with our relationship with Ono, all he'd need to do is call us a liar about something and our credibility'd be shot, because Ono probably still thinks that he's the fluffy mascot creature instead of what he actually is.
Muramasa
Best Girl
On the one hand, I can't find anything particularly wrong with what you said here. On the other, I really don't think Firn requires us to study psychiatry to be able to progress in his quest.
So in that regard, something does bother me about this approach in general and I can't put my finger on it.
Yeah, no, that vote structure's completely flawed. It has us literally doing nothing as our main tack, and no amount of OOC commentary or citations of training or personal experiences is going to make that a good idea for a fictional character in a quest.
That vote is equally likely if not more so to let things get worse and worse as it is to actually help- and I'm pretty sure it's already been pointed out that Ono lashing out, attacking us, or getting angrier and angrier/panicking are all plausible results. Ono is upset and angry and deserves an explanation now that at the same time won't break her. Mura's vote does that. SWB's fails to do so, to account for the fact Ono isn't going to want to listen to us any more with us standing there like a statue and failing to give her a reason for us being there in the first place, and all around fails to actually act like someone who's there to help.
Also...limited physical emotional and physical energy? Are you forgetting that this girl has legit superpowers and any negative emotions'll end up self-reinforcing if we don't constantly cleanse her gem? If she starts hitting us hard enough, it won't just be bruises, and if she gets upset enough, she's likely to try and legitimately hurt us- though letting things get to that state would already have been a failure. A failure the SWB vote would have us potentially just let happen.
There's a time and a place for letting someone vent. This REALLY isn't it.
I'm not even going to touch the analysis of her mental state when she's likely to have her mind scrambled by her wish, making following that playing with fire to say the least.
Your ideal makes perfect sense as written...if applied when she's actually in a state to have a conversation. Unfortunately, your vote doesn't do that or even convincingly lay the groundwork for it. Maybe try rewriting it so that it's closer to the ideal?
I'm pretty sure Kyubey would do a better job of handling the problem without breaking Ono than that vote would have us do.
tl;dr SWB vote tries to literally does nothing in the face of an unstable Ono, Mura's tries to actually handle the situation and is all around a better vote.
The vote will get us killed on the social front with Ono. I don't feel that's an inaccurate description of it in the slightest in terms of the likely result. Would calling it 'a vote likely to cause a socially disastrous situation with Ono' work better for you?
The green works as a vote, green and blue also works, and honestly...I think the whole thing would be fine as a vote. Maybe rephrase 'you're coming with us' to be a bit less forceful or a demand that'd make her feel backed into a corner?
I like it but I'm not changing my vote unless yours gets steam since I feel the current SWB wagon winning would be extremely bad for the quest. It really isn't anything wrong with your vote so much as the status of the current votes.
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SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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Would following the thread's rules--including the bolded message from the OP at the bottom of every page in this thread, reemphasizing the most important rule--work better for you?
Your defense is both irrelevant and does nothing to address the bigger offense: namely, your passive-aggressively mocking a serious post by rating it "Funny"--again. You've done this many times before, have been warned not to do it multiple times since. It is not excusable here, and that you won't even acknowledge it (let alone apologize for it) does not help your case.
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- South Africa
[x] Shake head slowly
[x] Be gentle and comforting, but firm
[x] "We're not going to abandon you, Ono."
[x] "If you want to have this meeting elsewhere, that's fine, but then we're not leaving without you."
[x] "We're worried about you and you're part of our team now. We don't abandon our teammates, even when they've been deceived to think that they'd be better off alone."
[x] "A magical girl cannot be successful by herself for long. You haven't been taught how to survive as a magical girl and we're not leaving you till we're satisfied that we aren't going to lose you."
[x] Be gentle and comforting, but firm
[x] "We're not going to abandon you, Ono."
[x] "If you want to have this meeting elsewhere, that's fine, but then we're not leaving without you."
[x] "We're worried about you and you're part of our team now. We don't abandon our teammates, even when they've been deceived to think that they'd be better off alone."
[x] "A magical girl cannot be successful by herself for long. You haven't been taught how to survive as a magical girl and we're not leaving you till we're satisfied that we aren't going to lose you."
Not sure about 'even when they've been deceived to think that they'd be better off alone.' since it seems to make too many assumptions and might not be a good thing to say right now.
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[x] Shake head slowly
[x] Be gentle and comforting, but firm
[x] "We're not going to abandon you, Ono."
[x] "If you want to have this meeting elsewhere, that's fine, but then we're not leaving you behind."
[x] "We're worried about you and you're part of our team now. We don't abandon our teammates, even when they think that they'd be better off alone."
[x] "A magical girl cannot be successful by herself for long. You haven't been taught how to survive as a magical girl and we're not leaving you till we're satisfied that we aren't going to lose you."
[x] Be gentle and comforting, but firm
[x] "We're not going to abandon you, Ono."
[x] "If you want to have this meeting elsewhere, that's fine, but then we're not leaving you behind."
[x] "We're worried about you and you're part of our team now. We don't abandon our teammates, even when they think that they'd be better off alone."
[x] "A magical girl cannot be successful by herself for long. You haven't been taught how to survive as a magical girl and we're not leaving you till we're satisfied that we aren't going to lose you."
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You shake your head. "I can't, Megane," you say. "I can't. You're dying, an-"
"Get out," Megane snaps again. "Get out!" Her shoulder blades are practically digging into the wall, her hands groping wildly about. One hand encounters her bedside table and seizes her clock.
You're already moving a moment before the clock shatters against the wall behind you with a sharp crack. Pieces of plastic and tiny gears bounce all over the room before freezing in mid air, claimed by the timestop.
Your hand snaps out, blocking a ballistic powder compact. Powder explodes in a white cloud, staining everything white.
"Get out!" Megane scrambles over the foot of the bed, landing smoothly on her feet and drawing herself up. "Why are you bothering me?" In her hands, she's already hefting her table lamp, ready to throw. Serene rage masks her face, icily arrogant fury trying to intimidate you into leaving.
"S-Sabrina-" Mami says, stepping forward. "Miss Ono-"
Megane transforms. A blaze of light pours out from her form, the evening gown of her costume wrapping itself around her form. In her hands, an ornate, glassy staff forms, shimmering in the dim twilight of the timestop, and she levels it at you. "Get out!"
Glittering sparks gather at the tip of her staff.
A blur of cream and gold crosses your vision - Mami, stepping in front of you. She gestures sharply, and a tangling mass of ribbons explodes from her hand. The twisting yellow mass lashes across the room.
Bursts of light erupt from Megane's staff. The girl barely has time to dodge before before Mami's ribbons swamp the girl. They tear the staff from her hand and cocoon her. Mami gestures sharply, and ribbons snap out - to the bed, to the table leg, to the ground as if pinned there.
Megane struggles fruitlessly, trying to break out of the restraints. "Release me," she snaps, glaring at Mami. "Release me! Leave, and stop telling me what to do!"
Mami shakes her head. "Miss Ono, we only mean the best for you. We mean to help."
"I want you to go away," Megane enunciates every word clearly and sharply. "I want you to leave me be."
You glance at Homura. She's standing stock still, body tense and a pistol held in her hand.
Mami takes a breath, glancing quickly at you before facing Megane again. "Miss Ono, please hear us out."
"You broke into my house." Megane twists at her bonds, trying to work her way free. "Why should I listen to the foreign meddler and her cronies?"
Mami's eyes narrow. "Sabrina is my friend."
Megane doesn't say anything, her scornful, dismissive gaze answer enough.
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Oh dear.
"Get out," Megane snaps again. "Get out!" Her shoulder blades are practically digging into the wall, her hands groping wildly about. One hand encounters her bedside table and seizes her clock.
You're already moving a moment before the clock shatters against the wall behind you with a sharp crack. Pieces of plastic and tiny gears bounce all over the room before freezing in mid air, claimed by the timestop.
Your hand snaps out, blocking a ballistic powder compact. Powder explodes in a white cloud, staining everything white.
"Get out!" Megane scrambles over the foot of the bed, landing smoothly on her feet and drawing herself up. "Why are you bothering me?" In her hands, she's already hefting her table lamp, ready to throw. Serene rage masks her face, icily arrogant fury trying to intimidate you into leaving.
"S-Sabrina-" Mami says, stepping forward. "Miss Ono-"
Megane transforms. A blaze of light pours out from her form, the evening gown of her costume wrapping itself around her form. In her hands, an ornate, glassy staff forms, shimmering in the dim twilight of the timestop, and she levels it at you. "Get out!"
Glittering sparks gather at the tip of her staff.
A blur of cream and gold crosses your vision - Mami, stepping in front of you. She gestures sharply, and a tangling mass of ribbons explodes from her hand. The twisting yellow mass lashes across the room.
Bursts of light erupt from Megane's staff. The girl barely has time to dodge before before Mami's ribbons swamp the girl. They tear the staff from her hand and cocoon her. Mami gestures sharply, and ribbons snap out - to the bed, to the table leg, to the ground as if pinned there.
Megane struggles fruitlessly, trying to break out of the restraints. "Release me," she snaps, glaring at Mami. "Release me! Leave, and stop telling me what to do!"
Mami shakes her head. "Miss Ono, we only mean the best for you. We mean to help."
"I want you to go away," Megane enunciates every word clearly and sharply. "I want you to leave me be."
You glance at Homura. She's standing stock still, body tense and a pistol held in her hand.
Mami takes a breath, glancing quickly at you before facing Megane again. "Miss Ono, please hear us out."
"You broke into my house." Megane twists at her bonds, trying to work her way free. "Why should I listen to the foreign meddler and her cronies?"
Mami's eyes narrow. "Sabrina is my friend."
Megane doesn't say anything, her scornful, dismissive gaze answer enough.
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Oh dear.
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- Italy
Sharp TIRO FINALE to surprise her? That works in anime right?
I like the plan better this way.
So, what now?