- Location
- Huezil
"Them roll the dice, you might make a error and inundate your own camp"
I don't remember were, but someone tried it, but the enemy runned a counter OPSEC and the wrong army was under the flood area...
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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"Them roll the dice, you might make a error and inundate your own camp"
I don't remember were, but someone tried it, but the enemy runned a counter OPSEC and the wrong army was under the flood area...
Let x/y=z, for 0<y<1.
Then z>x, so let x≥1 and you've got y<x<z.
Mind, I somehow doubt that that's what's going on here
Oh and let me just say, thank you for your stat-heavy analysis posts. They're very useful for seeing what's actually going on. And we know that this turn's loss of Stability was from immigrants, I asked.
NewAgeOfPower
Engineering Pornagrapher Extraordinaire
- Location
- An Certain Hive of Scum & Villainy, known as NYC
In case of multi-civilization collapse via systems failure cascade, we're unlikely to be in position to take the straits. Even if we do, if all our trading partners are collapsing on us, and there are barbarians in the seas and barbarians at the gates, trade may become implausible anyhow.
Hence, adopting the Chinese hydraulic state model with massive internal trade capable of surviving loss of foreign trade allows for significant survivability while retaining high levels of economic efficiency.
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ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
Well, perhaps. We have advantages that they didn't, such as vastly higher passive income. Iiuc they didn't take a single innovation until they used it to ally with the Thunder Horse - so we can certainly get more out of it.i literally don't think its possible for the thread to manage 10 to match the Xoh's golden age
They probably had more potent Stability options than us - for a price. Still, we have some resistance to Stab loss now.
Ten turns may be excessive, I'll grant. OTOH, if five turns gives a really nice legacy, we can probably get thread support for making it last. Especially since, unlike the Xoh, we don't have to forgo all advances, just moderate ourselves a bit.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
*breaks down laughing or possibly sobbing*
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
Our admin genius crits and develops...Ymaryn!Arabic numerals and the idea of scientific notation. The genius' name is forever synonymous as "too smart for everybody else's good".
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
Nah, it happens all the time. We don't take max refugees every turn, we try not to pop True Cities, that kind of thing. Given a decent shiny, we're quite capable of holding back from taking an extra obviously-booby-trapped one.
It was mentioned that chariot archers developed many of the skills needed to be a good general.
A chariot archer needed a good sense of the flow of battle, to be able to direct their driver partner effectively through the chaos of a battlefield, to coordinate with all the OTHER chariot archers to volley with verbal communications not always available, and all that on top of actually hitting their target.
While logistics was also important, we have specialists in the form of clerks to handle that.
So a simple test would be their ability to move and shoot a given target. We don't test strategy or the knowledge of military classics because they're based to a large extent upon gut instinct and unquantified ability to assess a battlefield.
However, the Roman version of the Games included full mock battles, including naval battles, as did the Egyptian version.
Thank god most of computing is just doing a lot of basic math.
...so THAT's how we'd have gotten Algebra like 2000 years early from the first Tax crisis?
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
It was really basic long division; something like 234 / 4, and because he'd previously just memorized 2 general paths (either the first digit is bigger than the divisor, and you can do it the proper way, or it isn't, but its 2 digits and he'd just manually check all the multiples of the divisor), he had no clue why he was writing the steps he was, so when it was outside those steps he gave up and just wrote nonsense downLet x/y=z, for 0<y<1.
Then z>x, so let x≥1 and you've got y<x<z.
Mind, I somehow doubt that that's what's going on here
Oh and let me just say, thank you for your stat-heavy analysis posts. They're very useful for seeing what's actually going on. And we know that this turn's loss of Stability was from immigrants, I asked.
And huh...i thought i'd gone back and noted that in the stab math section... but yeah, no problem
Ehh, we'll run into a shiny we want more, and it might even be a better choice if its a big enough shiny. Imagine an innovation chance to nom up the highland kingdom diplomatically? or for that matter, just a refugee chance that can give us the highland kingdom's mountain passes, but would take us to negative stab. Those are both logical reasons to drop out of the golden age, honestly. And even without that...we'll end up better on keepign at max on a single stat, and have a midturn event that eats that stat, or we'll have an internal crisis and have to dump all our stats on influencing our vassals to avoid civil war, or something, or the khemetri will have a coup and we'll end up in another Great Power War or something.
- Location
- Philippines
Unless of course due to our own over cautiousness we picked the worst choice(The first true city management vote) or avoided taking the best choice(Hero Diplo Sacrificing Himself)
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
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@Academia Nut Would games like chess, checkers, etc, be considered martial tech?
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
Poor ManusDomine... I wanna hug him...
Glad to see that's still making use!
Coolio analysis Abby! On this thing though I have a ~speculashun~ that our hero admin kings affect our Cent tolerance, or at least ability to handle high cent if they don't manipulate the cap.(Though we pretty much have confirmation of the second *looks at Rulwyna I*)
DWAGONSSSSS!
And our clerks become armed with another Great Weapon. Sooon. Sooooooon. They shall rule us allllll~
Woloclackclack.
Actually the Games have a large part to do with war games and "fake" wars to sharpen skills.
See?
So that's really really cool. We have the first step of many. (So many first steps in fact)
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NewAgeOfPower
Engineering Pornagrapher Extraordinaire
- Location
- An Certain Hive of Scum & Villainy, known as NYC
Hmm. I don't know if their rivers have sites suitable for massive water resevoirs needed to sustain production through a multiyear, perhaps decade+ drought. Still an excellent idea, mayhaps we have the proto-engineering corps Survey the river systems.
Its great that the God Fist was an airburst... The incredible dust plumes from a 30MT ground impact would have likely decreased the regional agricultural production.
Disaster has a way of producing innovation.
It doesn't take rocket science to realize we could probably get fiat currency by crashing our silver imports and producing widespread currency deflation. That could obviously go wrong in many ways however.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I'd wager on ability to handle, rather than manipulating the cap directly, since i dont think Rulywyna actually changed the cap any ...i think we ended her reign one below what was red under her, and it was still yellow after wards? I'd have to check to be sure, but that's what my memory says...
The Abacus should be the next clerk saver after that. It's interesting how much faster you could work with a simple tool to keep track of the numbers so you don't need to write down EVERY step, and could just lightning solve them using mnemonics for processing, and the abacus for random access memory.
Hopefully our Genius gets that?
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
So... You're saying we're holding back the development of higher math by being insufficiently bigoted and sexist?
PATRIARCHY HO!!!
We got there by taxes instead.So... You're saying we're holding back the development of higher math by being insufficiently bigoted and sexist?
PATRIARCHY HO!!!
One evil for a greater evil
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
*scratches nose*
Yeah, it'd be a pain in the arse for AN to keep track of. And you are correct, as we ended her reign we picked an option that dropped cent and raised hierarchy. We installed another layer of king appointed administrators right below the province governor level.
Only reason I am wondering about this is that me and veekie realized that the narrative around her was a bit weird. She was an Admin Heor being helped by a Diplo Hero and the system was still a hair from breaking, and she was directly described as overloaded. That... doesn't seem right to me for an Admin Hero. For a normal average skill king, I'd expect them to be overworked at red cent, that's the system freezing, but an Admin Hero I'd expect to be able to handle it with only moderate strain.
So it ended up that me and veekie thought we might have actually been a point or two over our red cap.
*shrug*
It was weird.
I am so Crow and Fyth-damned happy that the Second Tax Crisis was relatively short. It was nowhere near as bad as the First. Probably because we knew it was coming.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I'd guess (and i feel like i might have suggested at the time) that its the same principle as the "why can building roads make the government's job harder?"--the normal chiefs just ignore some stuff, either on purpose or on accident by being overworked. Rulwyna and the rest of the Crow Triumvirate were so skilled and dedicated that they could and did do all the theoretical jobs for hte king and chiefs that usually went undone or half done because it wasn't practical. The normal chief gets through the building permit oversight in an hour because he just checks off all the ones by other chief families because he 1. legitimately trusts them to do their work and follow standards (and who cares if they skim a bit off the top, the People are rich and he couldn't do this without the other Families!) or 2. is being bribed to do so. Besides, he knows as much as most, but he's better at diplomacy, not building, so any actual problems, the admin chief would've caught! Therefore the only ones he has to check are the ones from newer families, and even then the nitty gritty checking is done by the admin chief. He just checks general zoning or if it'll affect future plans. Rulwyna, on the other hand, takes 4 hours to go through the same work, because she actually checks all of them, and she knows all about the nitty gritty, so when she seems fudged numbers, she sends it back for review, or if it looks like a mistake rather htan graft, she just fixes it herself.
@Academia Nut that sound about right?
NewAgeOfPower
Engineering Pornagrapher Extraordinaire
- Location
- An Certain Hive of Scum & Villainy, known as NYC
Ah, that reminds me. What tools do our current clerks have, @Academia Nut? The abacus was the pinnacle of Chinese Imperial Bureaucracy for over a millenia, the benefits it would have on our Pro-Admin civilization... *Drools*
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
AN told us after we built the roads and did the Census the reason: We were already in Red Centralization before them.
We just didn't know that Cities lowered the Centralization cap and neither did our government, so we thought the cap was 2 higher than it really was. Which means we've been in Red Centralization for a VERY long time without knowing because the roads were too crap to learn that.
- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
- Pronouns
- He/They
I'm just trying to imagine the bullshit of us getting not just iron, but Algebra before we even had proper record keeping. Too ridiculous.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
Sounds good. They have more drive, more ability, and thus make more work for themselves.
I could see it. 'Specially since we had BoB by then if I recall.
*taps head*
Ah right! Forgot that. We were really only handling a smaller piece of things, but the total was red over our entire span.