Primary: Administrative reform (2x)
Secondary: [Gylruv] Education reform (0.8x)

Primary: Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)
Secondary: Collaborate with the Khemetri on mutually strengthening measures (1.5x)
An interesting combo.

...Are we going to be spending the next few decades advocating for everyone around us to build up a decent bureaucracy?

"Hey, Black Emperor, you know what will fix all your problems? EDUCATION AND BUREAUCRACY!"
"Hey, Khem, you know what will fix all your problems? EDUCATION AND BUREAUCRACY!"
"Hey, Patriarch, you know what will fix all your problems? EDUCATION AND BUREAUCRACY!"
 
If the thing with the Khem goes well, I really want an option to get started on Not!Suez. If we insist on becoming integrated with India, we could do worse than having control of the shortest sea route.
 
If the thing with the Khem goes well, I really want an option to get started on Not!Suez. If we insist on becoming integrated with India, we could do worse than having control of the shortest sea route.
The Suez canal being built right now would be so painful for the Syyfrons. Not only would we have unleashed the age of piracy on them, we would also disrupt pretty much all their eastern trade, while also strengthening the Khem at the same time.

Add in the fact that the Khem are probably going to start growing cotton to ship to us, which means we're probably going to take over the textile industry, and Not!Europe is not going to be enjoying the next few decades.

Except for Not!Russia and Not!Scandinavia.

They're pretty happy with how things are going.
 
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The Suez canal being built right now would be so painful for the Syyfrons. Not only would we have unleashed the age of piracy on them, we would also disrupt pretty much all their eastern trade, while also strengthening the Khem at the same time.

Add in the fact that the Khem are probably going to start growing cotton to ship to us, which means we're probably going to take over the textile industry, and Not!Europe is not going to be enjoying the next few decades.

Except for Not!Russia and Not!Scandinavia.

They're pretty happy with how things are going.

I can't see a better use of a mountain of gunpowder than making the Suez canal and blowing raspberries at the Vortuga.
 
I'm no longer in a murderous rage but i'll still stay away till we return to normal.
I just want to ask those who decided to suicide us if it was worth it to kill our winning streak, leaving us in a far worse position than we could be.
 
Right now there is no real stockpiling of resources, although for an Industrial Era game I may introduce more finely tuned resources in comparison to a Space Age game, where for the largest projects it is not a matter of 'if you can get the resources' but 'if you can convince others to do without and how fast you can push it through'. Most stats are intended positions with temp modifiers that go up or down with advancing technology and infrastructure.
I'm not sure that you answered the same question I was asking here.

When I talk about "resource" stats, I don't literally mean a resource. The number of roads we had built would also be a "resource". The amount of goodwill we are owed could be a resource. Pollution could be a resource, albeit a negative one.

Let me rephrase the question; I think I may previously have missed the heart of it.


Right now, I'm thinking of the game as having a conservation principle. You can turn 1 point of Industrial Capacity into a point of Quality of Life, or do the opposite, and maybe you can turn Industrial Capacity into Army or Navy at 1:1 as well, but the point is that (Industrial Capacity + Quality of Life + Army + Navy + ...) isn't something we can directly change. We can only change it indirectly by raising the technology waterline or perhaps building megaprojects that do it. In the above expression, some terms might have multipliers (so if you get 1 points of Army for 2 point of Industrial Capacity, Army would have a x2 multiplier), and some terms might not occur at all. I'm wondering if all of the stats you listed appear in the conservation expression.

For example, maybe we can spend time to develop build up our infrastructure. It would take time and energy away from other projects, but not permanently - in which case it is something we can have without giving up other stuff. In this case, infrastructure would be a resource. In contrast, if the assumption is that any infrastructure we built requires a bunch of upkeep, then it is a position. Does that make sense?
 
But it'd also make the Red Sea route way more profitable than the Ymaryn path. Suez will cripple us.

It is inevitable though. After all, some sort of canal between the Red Sea and the Nile already existed in antiquity and the early middle ages in real life. So it really ain't that hard technologically. If it doesn't already exist that is only because it presents a military or political problem for Khem. As long as we succeed in stabilizing Khem they will eventually build it.
 
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An interesting combo.

...Are we going to be spending the next few decades advocating for everyone around us to build up a decent bureaucracy?

"Hey, Black Emperor, you know what will fix all your problems? EDUCATION AND BUREAUCRACY!"
"Hey, Khem, you know what will fix all your problems? EDUCATION AND BUREAUCRACY!"
"Hey, Patriarch, you know what will fix all your problems? EDUCATION AND BUREAUCRACY!"

The national motto is Education and Bureacuracy in ancient Ymaryn. :V
 
But it'd also make the Red Sea route way more profitable than the Ymaryn path. Suez will cripple us.
I'd assume with our help, we'd get a share of the Suez like the british did IRL. Plus it still shift a lot of trade into the med, which means more profit from the lumber trade and other northern goods.

It really depends on what kind of deal the Khem would be offering, of course, but it's quite possible we'd get a good deal from them considering our relationship.
 
We will profit from the canal when we build a big honken pair of anti-navel forts at each end and blast anyone not paying us to driftwood. Yeah, the land routes slow down a bit, but we are still controling the trade and if we don't SOMEONE will.
 
Lightning Round XIII
Primary: Administrative reform (2x)
Secondary: Education reform (0.8x)

Primary: Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)
Secondary: Collaborate with the Khemetri on mutually strengthening measures (1.5x)

For the People, sending advisers and teachers to the their most strategically significant neighbours to help fine tune institutions there was the most sensible of ideas. They wanted their neighbours, and the Gylruv portion of their increasingly intertwined dual kingdom, strong, stable, prosperous, and looking away from the People militarily. And while early efforts with the Gylruv showed great promise, issues began cropping up right away in certain segments. In particular, while efforts to bring about bureaucratic reform in the Gylruv lead to early success, a number of stumbling blocks soon cropped up. While one of them was finding enough locals with sufficient education to run the new institutions the People and the Patriarch were trying to grow - mitigated in part by the flood of teachers sent in to try to address the issues, another was that graft and corruption was in so deep that trying to pull it out might crash the economy.

Simply put, when everyone was on the take, you had to set the taxation levels punishingly high to get what you actually wanted out of the population. Lowering the taxes before you had sorted out these corruption issues would crash out the coffers, while tearing out the corrupt officials and tax collectors would lead to the new ones dutifully taxing the peasantry into famine and revolution. Given the recently acquired collection of not-exactly-happy-to-be-Gylruv peasants in the Wyrmyn Territories, this was seen of as a major problem. The only really viable solution was to lower taxes on the less developed areas while bringing in a proper bureaucracy, and have the healthy regions subsidize them.

While doable, the People's budget was looking remarkably threadbare as they were stretched out to subsidize so many: anti-Syffrynite groups in the Monsoon Sea, trade and diplomatic envoys to the Black Sheep and Khemetri, educational and administrative assistance to the Gylruv, and now outright subsidy to economically unhealthy segments of the Gylruv. Fundamentally, the People needed an influx of cash to pay for all the things they wanted to do. Thankfully they were not trying to do these things with hostile powers on their borders, even if their sea lanes were often a mess of skirmishes between various factions of merchants, privateers, pirates, and outright war with ships-of-the-line. Many political and economic rivals had to deal with their own internal and external issues, so at least no single group was outright dominating everywhere. The People had a significant set of advantages with their North-South trade corridor, but many of their trade practices still lagged behind the Syffrynites, and the Syffrynites still had numerous colonies that the People were unable to touch due to being eternally behind in naval traditions, even if their technological prowess was only a little behind the Syffrynite average.

Fortunately, relations with the Khemetri had helped significantly. While they had been diminished from prior eras with their gold mines no longer bringing in huge amounts of wealth to the king's coffers and their flood plains no longer something a large chunk of the Saffron Sea depended on to feed itself, support from the People had seen them through to a new sort of stable. The Khemetri had discovered that the world had a large demand for cotton and sugar that grew well in their flood plains, as well as the coffee and chocolate and spices that could be supported in their southern jungle holdings. While they had supported anti-slaving measures in their southern and western neighbours to hinder the economic exploitation of such groups by the Syffrynites who were their rivals, the Khemetri had invited many thousands of refugees into their territory, adding new peasantry to work the fields and plantations cropping up. While some of the more vocal priests and scholars were most displeased with this, most found this a win-win situation for everyone. Another wealthy anti-Syffrynite and pro-People trade partner in the Monsoon Sea was only a good thing.

The collaboration between the People and the Khemetri also brought up the potential idea of some form of canal system between the Saffron and Monsoon Seas within Khemetri territory that would make both kingdoms fabulously wealthy by cutting down trip lengths immensely, but the surveyors were distinctly uncertain about the possibility. It would be intensely expensive if it could be done, and there were probably better ways to go about facilitating trade anyway. Perhaps lesser canals and dams within the Khemetri to facilitate internal trade and agriculture first to build up local expertise and funds?

Actually, there were more than a few calls for a proper 'company' of some sort to help alleviate the financial issues, as well as build up some prestige given the major companies of the Syffrynites were often their face to the world.

Choose a company
[] Ymaryn Crown Bank (1x)
[] Monsoon Sea Trading Company (1.2x)
[] Greater Khem Trading Company (1x)
[] Ymaryn-Khemtri Canal Company (1.1x)
[] Hung Sea Trading Company (1x)
[] Far East Trading Company (0.8x)
[] North-East Fur Trading Company (0.8x)
 
Right now, I'm thinking of the game as having a conservation principle. You can turn 1 point of Industrial Capacity into a point of Quality of Life, or do the opposite, and maybe you can turn Industrial Capacity into Army or Navy at 1:1 as well, but the point is that (Industrial Capacity + Quality of Life + Army + Navy + ...) isn't something we can directly change. We can only change it indirectly by raising the technology waterline or perhaps building megaprojects that do it. In the above expression, some terms might have multipliers (so if you get 1 points of Army for 2 point of Industrial Capacity, Army would have a x2 multiplier), and some terms might not occur at all. I'm wondering if all of the stats you listed appear in the conservation expression.

Ah yes, I see what you mean. Yes, there should be a general value that is conserved across stats, and it is only really raised by acquiring more developmental capacity (territory, technology, population, etc.). I may allow certain things to slowly pump it up without requiring radical changes like tech advancement or megaprojects.

For example, maybe we can spend time to develop build up our infrastructure. It would take time and energy away from other projects, but not permanently - in which case it is something we can have without giving up other stuff. In this case, infrastructure would be a resource. In contrast, if the assumption is that any infrastructure we built requires a bunch of upkeep, then it is a position. Does that make sense?

Ah yes, there will be a certain degree of favouring 'position' over 'resource' in your schema.
 
Primary: Administrative reform (2x)
Secondary: Education reform (0.8x)

Primary: Continue to assist the Black Sheep in having control over their internal and external policies (1.2x)
Secondary: Collaborate with the Khemetri on mutually strengthening measures (1.5x)

For the People, sending advisers and teachers to the their most strategically significant neighbours to help fine tune institutions there was the most sensible of ideas. They wanted their neighbours, and the Gylruv portion of their increasingly intertwined dual kingdom, strong, stable, prosperous, and looking away from the People militarily. And while early efforts with the Gylruv showed great promise, issues began cropping up right away in certain segments. In particular, while efforts to bring about bureaucratic reform in the Gylruv lead to early success, a number of stumbling blocks soon cropped up. While one of them was finding enough locals with sufficient education to run the new institutions the People and the Patriarch were trying to grow - mitigated in part by the flood of teachers sent in to try to address the issues, another was that graft and corruption was in so deep that trying to pull it out might crash the economy.

Simply put, when everyone was on the take, you had to set the taxation levels punishingly high to get what you actually wanted out of the population. Lowering the taxes before you had sorted out these corruption issues would crash out the coffers, while tearing out the corrupt officials and tax collectors would lead to the new ones dutifully taxing the peasantry into famine and revolution. Given the recently acquired collection of not-exactly-happy-to-be-Gylruv peasants in the Wyrmyn Territories, this was seen of as a major problem. The only really viable solution was to lower taxes on the less developed areas while bringing in a proper bureaucracy, and have the healthy regions subsidize them.

While doable, the People's budget was looking remarkably threadbare as they were stretched out to subsidize so many: anti-Syffrynite groups in the Monsoon Sea, trade and diplomatic envoys to the Black Sheep and Khemetri, educational and administrative assistance to the Gylruv, and now outright subsidy to economically unhealthy segments of the Gylruv. Fundamentally, the People needed an influx of cash to pay for all the things they wanted to do. Thankfully they were not trying to do these things with hostile powers on their borders, even if their sea lanes were often a mess of skirmishes between various factions of merchants, privateers, pirates, and outright war with ships-of-the-line. Many political and economic rivals had to deal with their own internal and external issues, so at least no single group was outright dominating everywhere. The People had a significant set of advantages with their North-South trade corridor, but many of their trade practices still lagged behind the Syffrynites, and the Syffrynites still had numerous colonies that the People were unable to touch due to being eternally behind in naval traditions, even if their technological prowess was only a little behind the Syffrynite average.

Fortunately, relations with the Khemetri had helped significantly. While they had been diminished from prior eras with their gold mines no longer bringing in huge amounts of wealth to the king's coffers and their flood plains no longer something a large chunk of the Saffron Sea depended on to feed itself, support from the People had seen them through to a new sort of stable. The Khemetri had discovered that the world had a large demand for cotton and sugar that grew well in their flood plains, as well as the coffee and chocolate and spices that could be supported in their southern jungle holdings. While they had supported anti-slaving measures in their southern and western neighbours to hinder the economic exploitation of such groups by the Syffrynites who were their rivals, the Khemetri had invited many thousands of refugees into their territory, adding new peasantry to work the fields and plantations cropping up. While some of the more vocal priests and scholars were most displeased with this, most found this a win-win situation for everyone. Another wealthy anti-Syffrynite and pro-People trade partner in the Monsoon Sea was only a good thing.

The collaboration between the People and the Khemetri also brought up the potential idea of some form of canal system between the Saffron and Monsoon Seas within Khemetri territory that would make both kingdoms fabulously wealthy by cutting down trip lengths immensely, but the surveyors were distinctly uncertain about the possibility. It would be intensely expensive if it could be done, and there were probably better ways to go about facilitating trade anyway. Perhaps lesser canals and dams within the Khemetri to facilitate internal trade and agriculture first to build up local expertise and funds?

Actually, there were more than a few calls for a proper 'company' of some sort to help alleviate the financial issues, as well as build up some prestige given the major companies of the Syffrynites were often their face to the world.

Choose a company
[] Ymaryn Crown Bank (1x)
[] Monsoon Sea Trading Company (1.2x)
[] Greater Khem Trading Company (1x)
[] Ymaryn-Khemtri Canal Company (1.1x)
[] Hung Sea Trading Company (1x)
[] Far East Trading Company (0.8x)
[] North-East Fur Trading Company (0.8x)
Not threadmarked?
 
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Am I happy we recieved only one option this update.
People, let us not forget how Ymaryn solve their problems - with Megaprojects!

[x] Ymaryn-Khemtri Canal Company (1.1x)
 
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