Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
- Location
- Chicago, IL
- Pronouns
- Any/All
It's homegrown monotheism, at least.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- Original
Stop: This is completely unnecessary
Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- He/Him
this is completely unnecessary
I don't care how agitated you are, this is not acceptable behaviour. Take 25 points for breaking Rule 3 (Be Civil) and 3 days out to cool off.
That said...
That said...
fixed
how about no
@SMuha, you are treading on thin ice; these are brushing up against Rule 4 (Don't Be Disruptive) and Rule 3. Shape up, or you can take a vacation too.
- Location
- Huezil
We have WOAN that the Highlander are the Not!Israel, so everyone is a little... wary of doing whats needs to be done to them, if you catch my drift.
Most amusingly, we are basically the western holy lands as Sacred Forest is probably the holy city... oh my.
Crow became God, all the female aspects became Not!Valkyr and all the male became Male Not! Angels.
So Hynryn is basically the "The Angel of the Underwold, who gifted smiting to the Ymaryn"
Fythhagyna is the Not!Valkyr of Harvest, Prosperity and Fertility.
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- Location
- Hell
B-but monotheisim!
What about Fythhagyna, Hynryn, Gwy and Gyo, Mathulmyn, and Bonwyn? ;_;
They deserved to be remember >3>
I mean we were wary before anyway, but I mean we may have to push them off if we want that land again.
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
Also it will help deal with xenophobia in the elite classes.
- Location
- Hell
Another thing that I am sad about that we never got a chance to look into is magic
Real, or Coincidence?
We deserve to know!
Real, or Coincidence?
We deserve to know!
Sauce
- Location
- Huezil
It's on the discord, let me find it.
Very interesting. Since the cities around the Ylltyon sea are merchant city states they are going to be ultra heavily hit once Not!Portugal finishes prying the Spice Trade out of our hands and the Silk Road trade collapses becaues it becomes less profitable than their sea trade. I can see certain synergistic effects with attempting to seize back control over them right now.
But to be honest, the same is true of the entire former Ymaryn Empire. The trade nexus that made it so wealthy is about to collapse, and even the most pastoral of its successor states is going to feel the loss of trade revenue.
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- Location
- Mists of Albion
Core Ymar still corner the market on Porcelain, glass, spices, salt and dyes. Not only that but they are the sole supplier of guns and cannons in the Middle East. By conquering Yllthyon we not only open ourselves up to more markets but we also weren't going to get hit too hard by the loss of the spice trade anyway. And we have more money to spend on sending weapons against the Westerners.
And we can launch Pirate Fleets to take all their shit. As retaliation.
- Location
- Huezil
@Sivantic
Academia Nut-Ontem às 15:19
The focus on internal issues and culture means that you successfully transitioned to a more monotheistic society, the various mystery cults that had been starting to pop up not being too destabilizing
Academia Nut-Ontem às 15:22
You expanded your number of temples as part of your roads and culture initiative, so you're pretty good on that front, although a lot of major religious upheavals happened elsewhere, producing new holy centers outside your borders
Academia Nut-Ontem às 15:26
Variations on Crow were frequently central figures in the mystery cults that popped up, and when things gelled together the central deity had many of Crow's personality attributes, and his servants were basically black winged angels/valkyries
Academia Nut-Ontem às 15:19
The focus on internal issues and culture means that you successfully transitioned to a more monotheistic society, the various mystery cults that had been starting to pop up not being too destabilizing
Academia Nut-Ontem às 15:22
You expanded your number of temples as part of your roads and culture initiative, so you're pretty good on that front, although a lot of major religious upheavals happened elsewhere, producing new holy centers outside your borders
Academia Nut-Ontem às 15:26
Variations on Crow were frequently central figures in the mystery cults that popped up, and when things gelled together the central deity had many of Crow's personality attributes, and his servants were basically black winged angels/valkyries
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
Coincidental meteor with several independant predictions?
We are probably going to lose Porcelain soon if we haven't already since it was copied by the Europeans only 2 centuries after the age of sail meant they could import appreciable amounts of it. Since we have traded that stuff with them for ages they might already have it. Pretty much the same goes for glass. Spices we are going to lose if we don't focus on protecting India this turn. The Europeans should have plenty of salt mines themselves at this point. Salt is probably not the sort of hyper important long distance trade good it was in antiquity since everyone has been looking for sources of it for millenia and it isn't that rare.
Dyes i give you.
You should assume the loss of trade to hurt a lot. The near complete loss of revenue from the overland trade played a large part in the Ottoman Empires decline in OTL, and the wider Ymaryns sphere of influence is in a similiar geopolitical position to the Ottomans.
Nah we can't we don't have reliable access to the Indian ocean and it doesn't look like we will get it for however long that timeskip will be. For all we know we'll go directly to WW1.
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- Hell
Okay, I can see that he has servants that are crow-winged valkyries, but nothing about the gods turning into servants...
- Location
- Huezil
About the porcelain thing... doesn't matter if they start making porcelain, because the one used to trade is considered a luxury, a jewelry, so doesn't matter if your country makes them, it not Ymaryn Porcelain™, it's the same with Persian Carpet, Iranian Tapestry, fine china, natural diamonds.
The value is not the material per see, it's the sense of "uniqueness" of it's value. A toilet is made of porcelain, but still hasn't the same damn price as a traditionally made fine china piece of porcelain made by the original craftsmans.
This would be more believable if you hadn't just finished saying that everyone else in the thread are wimps who "lay down fo horsefuckers":You may not like it, but it happened. I, too, often do not get what I want in quests. But I do not insult those whose choice was different from mine. Relax.
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Fair point
In my defense I will say that this was the answer to the insult, not the accusation of those who voted differently. Or at least so was originally intended. It did not turn out very well.:lol
Okay, to be completely honest, originally it was a comic comment.
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- Southern Virginia
Being so afraid of change that they raced right for the option that promised the most continuity was the real tragedy. Granted part of the persistent issues here is that people take choices without asking "how" the choice plays out. It should have been obvious that the urban manufacturing centers, dominated as they were by the urban patricians of the Guilds and the merchants who trade their wares, would do whatever they had to survive. Since there'd previously been a whole lot of hints that the Guildmasters were abusing the half-exiles, since the merchants were known to be in favor of slavery in the past, it should have been predictable that they'd solve the food crisis of an urban center in a desolated countryside with as much ruthlessness as necessary. People were blinded by the hope of preserving as much as possible they failed to consider how the urban core would survive and so lost as much or more of what they wanted than if they'd chosen a different path.
Fear of change imposed a truly disastrous cost.
It's a pity frankly you all didn't go for the pastoralists. Sure they'd have lost almost all of the knowledge, but they'd have also lost all the institutional inertia and chains of the past. Imagine the tribes of countryside survivors meeting, mingling with each other and with settled nomads as they expand from their hills into the valleys now filled with great ruins and monuments and infrastructure that fired their imaginations. Imagine a more egalitarian population looking back on the great Ymaryn past as a golden age, while still being young and vigorous enough to have shrugged off the complacency and inward-looking focus of the old Ymaryn. There could have been something neat as they interpreted the values of the past to fit their circumstances and produced something new and vital.
Instead, well, it frankly looks like you're going toward a senescent Serenissima.
Well, I've been convinced by the arguments in favour of the Academies. I have not been convinced by the Yllthon Sea vote. Restoring the OYE gets us most of the Yllthon anyway. If we fuel the restoration by selling academy space to foreign nobles, then that suggests to me that it will be mostly diplomatic in nature, for the most part. Restoring the OYE lets us tank the cost of losing the spice trade to the Vortuga far better than just going for the Yllthon, since we'll have some depth and far more resources and people to leverage in future conflicts.
[X] [Ambition] Restore the Old Ymaryn Empire borders
[X] [Fuel] Sale of academy space to foreign nobles
[X] [Ambition] Restore the Old Ymaryn Empire borders
[X] [Fuel] Sale of academy space to foreign nobles
LuciDreamer
Maliciously Incompetent
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Wait, we can still vote? Changing...
[X] [Ambition] Unify the Yllthon Coast
[X] [Fuel] Sale of academy space to foreign nobles
[X] [Fuel] Pursuit of new manufacturing
Still tentative about the Fuel choices, so I'll just approval-vote them both.
[X] [Ambition] Unify the Yllthon Coast
[X] [Fuel] Sale of academy space to foreign nobles
[X] [Fuel] Pursuit of new manufacturing
Still tentative about the Fuel choices, so I'll just approval-vote them both.
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- Hell
Lightning Rounds!
"But why did-"
Lightning Rounds!
All your problems can be directed to that.
Horologer
Incertae sedis
- Location
- a risen sea
We've seen some pretty outlandish stuff, we've witnessed extremely unlikely events, we've certainly been bizarrely anachronistic ourselves, and the Ymaryn themselves definitely believe in magic. That said, the evidence for magic is pretty thin. We haven't seen anything that's undeniably magical. We've got astrology, which A: is vague at best and B: has a rather checkered history. Then we've got Yenya "predicting" the meteor hit, which is certainly unlikely, but not as improbable as it seems.Another thing that I am sad about that we never got a chance to look into is magic
Real, or Coincidence?
We deserve to know!
Obviously, I can't prove a negative, but if there were magic, I'm pretty sure we'd have seen someone use it by now. It's the Age of Exploration; if people had magic they'd be busy trying to conquer the world with it.
- Location
- United States
Don't forget about the weighted voting as well.Lightning Rounds!
"But why did-"
Lightning Rounds!
All your problems can be directed to that.
A lot of the "make Ymar terrible" actions were heavily weighted, and thus caused the breaking in the first place.
There likely wouldn't have been a vote for "which shitty successor state do you pick" if we didn't piss off Ghengis Khan as soon as he spawned
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- He/Him
Just so you know, the reason the weights went away was that the break swept away a lot of inertia. There will probably be some degree of weighting once again as new inertia builds up.
Anyway
[X][Ambition] Unify the Yllthon Coast
[X][Fuel] Sale of academy space to foreign nobles
Congratulations on picking one of the more synergistic variations, as well as picking the option to catalyze towards a modern university system.
Anyway
[X][Ambition] Unify the Yllthon Coast
[X][Fuel] Sale of academy space to foreign nobles
Congratulations on picking one of the more synergistic variations, as well as picking the option to catalyze towards a modern university system.