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Well, we were just shown that building up our light cavalry is one of our most important mid-term goals, but overshadowed by curing the plague, rebuilding and the dam
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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How do you know it was garbage advice? We didn't purge the monotheists and things went badly.
- Location
- Illinois
AN told us that purging or isolating the monotheists would have led to the pogroms and lynching going even worse off, while doing the opposite by protecting them would have given us a religious tolerance trait instead of purity.
We took the middle road because we thought the stab hit was too harsh, which turned out to be a mistake.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
And of course, once we've got the resources committed to maintain enough horses and gear to support however many nomad spiritbonded, all it takes is for a few of those new nomadic spiritbonded's sons to, say, end up a half exile, making room in the budget for a patrician's son to get in the program to fill the needed number of people to support the budgeted number of horses...
Alternatively, the patricians can just marry into the nomadic families.
Plus, as @tenchifew says, at least part of it is probably recognizing the importance in combat...and for that matter, recognizing that it is the best bet to swing the balance of military power back in the hand of elite units, rather than mass levies, since the former benefits them whether their sons are the warriors or not, because influencing a handful of elites is easier and cheaper than influencing a mass of urban poor. After all, marrying off your 3rd daughter to one of the spiritbonded commanders gives you a massive level of influence over a powerful military force, and while the sheer numbers needed for mass levy combat, and the fact that those levies are not full time soldiers, means that its impossible to acquire the same level of influence that easily.
We know that holy orders allow us to build units that are otherwise beyond our development level.
Additionally, I could see holy orders being different in the following ways:
-More effective
-Better educated
-More beholden to the priests, less beholden to the patricians
-Follow our spiritual values more closely
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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- Something Clever
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- She/Her
Honestly, looking at the current state of affairs? I don't think that's true. Things are going about as well as could have been expected. The nomads are not only no longer a threat, but adding their strength to our own, and while the plague is still going we have a dual-Heroic king who's about the best possible person to deal with it. The only fly in the ointment is Purity, which as has been noted, emerged because we didn't do enough to protect the monotheists - had we purged them, that would have been even more severe.
ThatGazzer
Minds Eye Bind
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- PNW
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Things went badly, yes, but remember, corelation does not equal causation.
You woudn't think, for example:
The Sun rises each morning.
I wake up in the morning, with the sun.
Therefore, the sun rises because I wake up.
Dutch
Bored Spearman of the Wind
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- CET
"Is forgiveness not an aspect of the spirtitually pure? Those free from inner and outer demons?"
"Are those who would compromise their spiritual and moral purity for the sake of their physical purity not rotting on the inside?"
"Have they not lost sight of the very goal they sought to achieve?"
"Physical purity, spiritual purity and moral purity, is it not under this trinity that nirvana can be reached?"
"Let us never forget of what makes one truely pure."
In other words, who knows?
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Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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- He/Him
I'd add "more expensive"--and in fact, as we develop our cavalry more and more, so that there are more horses big enough to ride into battle, and as we invent things like stirrups and proper saddles that make riding easier, i expect we'll be faced with a choice over whether to open up the practice to the military in general, to lower costs, or keep it as a religious elite and keep the quality bonus, as well as keeping priests as a counterbalance on that element of the military.
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- Voidbetweenstars
The ones who are the same, thus the different are impure and should be cleansed./s
The trait is not going to be one the thread likes at all.
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- USA
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- He/Him
I'm inclined to keep priests involved, so that we can improve the horses and horse care faster.
keenscythe
No longer NEET
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- WA, USA
Besides I want my Nomads-turned-Knights just for the giggles.
Should probably avoid any crusades for the time being anyway.
Carrnage
Human
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- New Zealand
A well tended garden.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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- Something Clever
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It's not currently one we like, and it has potential to go in very unpleasant directions, but the same could be said of many early traits (e.g. Eye for an Eye, which is really not the sort of justice system we'd prefer to have). The hope is to get it to evolve into something more palatable before it causes too much trouble.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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- within 2 hours of the White House
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- They/Them
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
foreigners delende est.
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- USA
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Edit: what a close vote we have
Edit: what a close vote we have
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*Reads briefly
*Realize we havent collapse yet
*Reads sick nomads BEGGING for help
WTF! PRAISE THE GODS WOOOO
btw @Academia Nut how many light cavalry does the nomad have? It looks like we just smashed
[X] Whoever surrenders may join the People (-1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, -1 RA, 2 temp Econ damage, -2 EE, +2 Light Cavalry, Additional Disease Roll, ???)
*Realize we havent collapse yet
*Reads sick nomads BEGGING for help
WTF! PRAISE THE GODS WOOOO
btw @Academia Nut how many light cavalry does the nomad have? It looks like we just smashed
[X] Whoever surrenders may join the People (-1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, -1 RA, 2 temp Econ damage, -2 EE, +2 Light Cavalry, Additional Disease Roll, ???)
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White, White Light
White, White Light
A month ago, a week ago the nomads were an aspect of the Apocalypse. But today they were supplicants stretching out their hands. And the Ymaryn tradition was clear: those who asked for help in good faith received help. However much it rankled, The People invited them to come and sit by the fire.
And then suddenly they noticed that it rankled a whole lot less than expected. Doing the right thing and extending hospitality at a time when no one could fault them for seeking revenge instead left everyone with a warm glow inside. It was as if this single, grand act of charity restored to the souls of the Ymaryn something that the years of plague had taken away without anyone noticing. Feeling purified and bathed in the warm glow of self-righteousness they went to the task of helping the nomads with a wholly unexpected spring in their steps.
The Carrion Eaters descended on the sickened hordes and picked them apart like the crows they were, pulling them to pieces and carrying them away. Once separated into manageable chunks, the nomads needed to be cleansed. Thus each small band was taken to the nearest shallow river to bathed, in small batches, with the greatest of care devoted to making sure that no one stood downstream from anyone else. Thoroughly scrubbed and dressed in clean clothing, the nomads were lined up so white-robed priests could try to give their souls a similar scrubbing. The nomads had fallen into sin. They made mistakes. Those mistakes were easy to make. Even the great Qybrkyn believed that cities were corrupt places and that plagues were a punishment for that corruption. But the bloody cough put a clear lie to those ideas. Cities all over the known world were emptied out, yes, but the countryside also drowned in blood and the nomads fell prey to the plague as easily as anyone else. Demons cared not where they struck and there was nowhere to flee. The only way to stay safe was to be pure. And the Ymaryn knew how to be pure.
The nomads would learn. They had iron in them. It merely needed to be purified from its base materials.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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- Something Clever
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- She/Her
Edit: what a close vote we have
Vaguely disappointed we have dissenters, curious if there'd be any consequences if this one was unanimous. Make an interesting parallel to the original Fey Mood if so. Doubt that argument's gonna sway our war votes, since it'd likely magnify the impact of the decision they disagree with in the first place, but ah well. If either/both of you wanna let curiosity override your desire for war I'm not gonna complain, think it'd be neat to see.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
[X] Camp followers and slaves may surrender, warriors may not (-1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, 2 temp Econ damage, -2 EE, +2 Econ next phase, Additional Disease Roll, ???)
Eh, the nomads can die in a ditch. Their enslaved population and non-warriors can join however. Less blood on that bunch's hand. Shame the TS got shattered.
Eh, the nomads can die in a ditch. Their enslaved population and non-warriors can join however. Less blood on that bunch's hand. Shame the TS got shattered.
Post Pure Nomad Negaverse
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- Illinois
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