That plan seems to ignore the mysticism drain from the project Veekie.
Edit: Or I'm half asleep, either way. Not My Plan.
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Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
Edit: Or I'm half asleep, either way. Not My Plan.
- Location
- Australia
Staying on the defensive just means letting the Dead Priests build up more. We need to slow them down as much as we can and we need to go on the offence to do that. Expand Warriors helps with that, but remember that cart warriors were described as being "ten times as valuable as normal warriors" and that with our ample supply of wood we can field a truly massive amount of them. Expand Warriors would be the superior option if we had no choice but to suffer raids, such as with the nomads, but the inferior one if we intend to diminish or defeat our opponent.
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Making Holy Sites this turn is how we avoid our Mysticism falling to 0 during a project which consumes Mysticism man.
And how we get it out of the way faster.
I'd probably wait and see on the Despotic Autocracy. Those usually work in the lifetime of the founder, but it remains to be seen if he can set up a workable inheritance method for it.
Same deal. You need major settlements to project control zones, though to be fair the DPs also have to do the same.
The Kingdom would be racing the DPs to settle the river and secure SOME kind of border.
Here we see the weakness of the elite-main model army: It's fragile to facing multiple opponents or larger groups of enemies. They won the battle, but they forfeited the war because they didn't have enough warriors to cover both fronts.
But Copper, as had been said MANY times before, does not do that. The Trade Mission is valuable, but rushing into it was exactly the same logic that went rushing into the Canal.
Our critical problem is we have a 2 turn respite before we need our warriors again. Maybe less, depending on what the DPs are up to now that they don't have to watch for STs.
IIRC Copper Age use of the native metal was mainly for ornamentation and ritual tools. It's too rare to use commonly, too soft to hold an edge or bear weight.
That sounds...likely.
Lets see what happens to the Thunder Horse next.
Building carts don't make more warriors. They just put more of our warriors on carts.
You want more warriors, EXPAND WARRIORS, which increases every type of warrior, THEN you give them more carts.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
Two powers (we hardly counted since we only committed paltry additions at huge distances), and one power had been steadily declining for two centuries (the ST) to the point that while their elites were great at killing DPs, all they had was elites that couldn't make a functional difference in the war, and the other power was the WC, who was still running off Pioneer Spirit (which meant every time they lost stability for any reason, they also lost centralization, which meant as soon as they started losing, they started collapsing, as their ability to coordinate defenses slowly whittled away to nothing).
The DP basically fought one enemy, whose biggest weakness was that the first major loss they suffered would cause every subsequent loss to have a higher chance of occurring, even if they lost absolutely no stats and tech remained at parity.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Pretty much this. Copper is good for some basic knives (that have to be sharpened regularly) pots, pans, and pipes. It's when it's mixed with tin to make bronze that it is hard enough to use as a blade. Bronze is pretty brittle, though. Tends to snap.
- Location
- Australia
I don't believe Expand Warriors increases every type of warrior, it just gives us more warriors, some of which become cart warriors based on how many carts we have, so the more carts we have the more of those warriors become cart warriors. Thus the way to get more cart warriors is to do Build War Carts to give more of our warriors carts, rather than Expand Warriors which will get us more regular warriors but no more carts and thus no more cart warriors.
We should do Build War Carts first so that the troops we have now will quickly be able to take the fight to the enemy with great effectiveness, then do Expand Warriors to increase the amount of warriors we have.
- Location
- Staring into the void
All the more reason to get it sooner, so we can tech up to the useful alloys.
Negaverse Spirit Talkers
So, here's my attempt at a negaverse omake. I figured that since the ST bumrushed mysticism like crazy they probably got some pretty advanced writing and mathematics, which is why all the stuff is so heavily statted out. I didn't try much to check that they correspond with the actual system though, they're there for flavor more than anything else.
General
Diplomacy 0
Economy 0
Martial 1
Stability -1 (uncertain)
Organizational
Centralization 5
Hierarchy 1
Cultural
Art 6
Mysticism 8
The people are dissatisfied. While your mastery of the spirits of the heavens remains unchallenged, the people are questioning if that truly makes you qualified to lead. Several knuckles of your warriors have left to fight the Dead Priests on their own terms. However, lacking the proper organization and leadership, most of them are killed by the new Dead Priest cart riders. (-1 Martial)
The defense against the Nomads continues. You have denied most of their attacks without losing too much and your vassals appreciate the aid and have resumed their standard tribute, though the raids continue. (Locked action remains)
Despite the surrounding events, your people have continued studying the heavens. This focused effort has revealed a new way of keeping track of time, one which has allowed your shamans to predict with even greater accuracy than ever before. (gained technology: Improved celestial calendar) Reviewing your records with this new tool has informed you that a major comet approaches. What do you do with this information?
[] [Comet] Nomads
Claim it heralds the downfall of the Nomads unless they immediately stop raiding you. Bring them forth to witness your claim.
[] [Comet] Dead Priests
Claim it heralds the downfall of the Lowlands. Begin warring against them. Gain 5 Diplomacy, required minimum [Secondary] War Mission- Dead Priests
[] [Comet] Nonspecific
Do not claim it as anything specific, but still spread the warning of its coming far and wide. Gain 2 Diplomacy.
Your attempts at restoring the faith of the people were almost successful, but in the end failed to really achieve its goals. Some people didn't like being forced back into compliance, and it didn't help that rumors have been spreading that the Valley Workers' blackbirds have somehow found a way to cure the scourging plague using cows. While most agree that such talk is clearly ridiculous, many people were nevertheless willing to abandon the priests in exchange for the plentiful harvests of the valley in the hope of living in such a bountiful land.
[] [Emigration] Allow
Lose (0-5) Economy to the Valley Workers. Gain (0-3) Diplomacy that can only be spent on them. Small chance of getting your stability back.
[] [Emigration] Categorically Deny
Moderate chance for further stability loss (and triggering this again).
[] [Emigration] Raid them
The Valley Workers must be martially a weak people. Raid them, and take what they have for yourself. (Lose 1 Diplomacy and send martial. Chance of success dependent on amount of martial sent. Success: gain ??? Economy. Failure: lose sent Martial.)
[] [Emigration] Demonize them
Spend 2 Mysticism and 1 Diplomacy to reinforce your prior demonization of them in the minds of your citizens and prevent them once again from leaving your people.
You have one [Main] and two [Secondary] actions available. At a minimum a [Secondary] is required to be War Mission- Nomad hoards unless you're willing to accept major economic losses. The [Main] has double the costs and double the effects unless otherwise specified.
Negaverse- Spirit Talkers
Discussion in 'Quests' started by Philosopher Luna, Feb 27, 2017. Ongoing crisis III
General
Diplomacy 0
Economy 0
Martial 1
Stability -1 (uncertain)
Organizational
Centralization 5
Hierarchy 1
Cultural
Art 6
Mysticism 8
The people are dissatisfied. While your mastery of the spirits of the heavens remains unchallenged, the people are questioning if that truly makes you qualified to lead. Several knuckles of your warriors have left to fight the Dead Priests on their own terms. However, lacking the proper organization and leadership, most of them are killed by the new Dead Priest cart riders. (-1 Martial)
The defense against the Nomads continues. You have denied most of their attacks without losing too much and your vassals appreciate the aid and have resumed their standard tribute, though the raids continue. (Locked action remains)
Despite the surrounding events, your people have continued studying the heavens. This focused effort has revealed a new way of keeping track of time, one which has allowed your shamans to predict with even greater accuracy than ever before. (gained technology: Improved celestial calendar) Reviewing your records with this new tool has informed you that a major comet approaches. What do you do with this information?
[] [Comet] Nomads
Claim it heralds the downfall of the Nomads unless they immediately stop raiding you. Bring them forth to witness your claim.
[] [Comet] Dead Priests
Claim it heralds the downfall of the Lowlands. Begin warring against them. Gain 5 Diplomacy, required minimum [Secondary] War Mission- Dead Priests
[] [Comet] Nonspecific
Do not claim it as anything specific, but still spread the warning of its coming far and wide. Gain 2 Diplomacy.
Your attempts at restoring the faith of the people were almost successful, but in the end failed to really achieve its goals. Some people didn't like being forced back into compliance, and it didn't help that rumors have been spreading that the Valley Workers' blackbirds have somehow found a way to cure the scourging plague using cows. While most agree that such talk is clearly ridiculous, many people were nevertheless willing to abandon the priests in exchange for the plentiful harvests of the valley in the hope of living in such a bountiful land.
[] [Emigration] Allow
Lose (0-5) Economy to the Valley Workers. Gain (0-3) Diplomacy that can only be spent on them. Small chance of getting your stability back.
[] [Emigration] Categorically Deny
Moderate chance for further stability loss (and triggering this again).
[] [Emigration] Raid them
The Valley Workers must be martially a weak people. Raid them, and take what they have for yourself. (Lose 1 Diplomacy and send martial. Chance of success dependent on amount of martial sent. Success: gain ??? Economy. Failure: lose sent Martial.)
[] [Emigration] Demonize them
Spend 2 Mysticism and 1 Diplomacy to reinforce your prior demonization of them in the minds of your citizens and prevent them once again from leaving your people.
You have one [Main] and two [Secondary] actions available. At a minimum a [Secondary] is required to be War Mission- Nomad hoards unless you're willing to accept major economic losses. The [Main] has double the costs and double the effects unless otherwise specified.
[] Trade Mission - <target>
Spend Diplomacy to gain Art and technology.
Available targets: Nomad hoards, Valley Workers
[] War Mission - <target>
Chance of losing Martial, deal damage to the target.
Available targets: Dead Priests, Western Confederacy, Nomad hoards, Valley Workers
[] Study World
Study the ways of the spirits, learn the patterns and ways to invoke them. Learn the ways of the stars, the ways of the rain and thunder, or any other mystical powers of the spirits. Gain 2 Mysticism and improve technology.
[] Expand Cave of Wonder
Study the spirits of the cave and attempt to further appease both them and your ancestors who are now with them. Gain 4 Mysticism.
[] Restore Faith
Spend 1 Mysticism and 1 Stability, then gain 0-3 Stability. Take the best of 2 rolls if main.
[] Restore Order
Spend 1 Stability, gain 0-2 Stability (doubled chance of +2). Take the best of 2 rolls if main. Maximum Stability of 0.
[] Improve trade goods
Spend 1 Economy and 1 Mysticism to gain 1 Art and 2 Diplomacy
[] Demand tribute
Spend 1 Diplomacy and 1 Mysticism to gain 1 Economy from the surrounding villages.
[] Apply farming techniques
You've learned the basics of farming from the Valley Workers, but attempts to apply and expand this knowledge have thus far proved fruitless. You can always try again. (Spend 1 Economy. ??? chance of success. Success: "Expand Farms" action now 100% reliable)
[] Expand Farms
50% chance of gaining 1 economy. 10% chance of losing 1 economy.
[] Expand Warriors
Perhaps some normal warriors would round out your forces? Spend 1 Economy to gain 2 Martial.
[] Expand Sacred Warriors
You need more knuckles of elite warriors. Spend 2 Mysticism to gain 3 Martial
[] New Settlement - <target>
While some still remember the destroyed lowland settlement, others feel that it is well-past time to try to expand once again. (Costs 1 Economy and 1 Centralization, pays Economy back with interest, depending on the fertility of the land.)
Current targets: (south) fertile lowlands, (north) nomad-infested rocky steppes, (west or east) unclaimed hills
[] Build Wall - <target>
After the horrible destruction of the lowland settlement, people desire additional protection. Costs 1 Economy.
Current target: Cave City
[] [Main] Special- Convert Nomads with Star Axe
You have the Star Axe. Use it to convert the nomad hoards to your side. (Moderate chance of success. Success: gain significant control over who the Nomad Hoards attack. Failure: The Nomad Hoards attack you even more)
This invalidates the need for the War Mission - Nomads, and combos with [Comet] Nomads
Spend Diplomacy to gain Art and technology.
Available targets: Nomad hoards, Valley Workers
[] War Mission - <target>
Chance of losing Martial, deal damage to the target.
Available targets: Dead Priests, Western Confederacy, Nomad hoards, Valley Workers
[] Study World
Study the ways of the spirits, learn the patterns and ways to invoke them. Learn the ways of the stars, the ways of the rain and thunder, or any other mystical powers of the spirits. Gain 2 Mysticism and improve technology.
[] Expand Cave of Wonder
Study the spirits of the cave and attempt to further appease both them and your ancestors who are now with them. Gain 4 Mysticism.
[] Restore Faith
Spend 1 Mysticism and 1 Stability, then gain 0-3 Stability. Take the best of 2 rolls if main.
[] Restore Order
Spend 1 Stability, gain 0-2 Stability (doubled chance of +2). Take the best of 2 rolls if main. Maximum Stability of 0.
[] Improve trade goods
Spend 1 Economy and 1 Mysticism to gain 1 Art and 2 Diplomacy
[] Demand tribute
Spend 1 Diplomacy and 1 Mysticism to gain 1 Economy from the surrounding villages.
[] Apply farming techniques
You've learned the basics of farming from the Valley Workers, but attempts to apply and expand this knowledge have thus far proved fruitless. You can always try again. (Spend 1 Economy. ??? chance of success. Success: "Expand Farms" action now 100% reliable)
[] Expand Farms
50% chance of gaining 1 economy. 10% chance of losing 1 economy.
[] Expand Warriors
Perhaps some normal warriors would round out your forces? Spend 1 Economy to gain 2 Martial.
[] Expand Sacred Warriors
You need more knuckles of elite warriors. Spend 2 Mysticism to gain 3 Martial
[] New Settlement - <target>
While some still remember the destroyed lowland settlement, others feel that it is well-past time to try to expand once again. (Costs 1 Economy and 1 Centralization, pays Economy back with interest, depending on the fertility of the land.)
Current targets: (south) fertile lowlands, (north) nomad-infested rocky steppes, (west or east) unclaimed hills
[] Build Wall - <target>
After the horrible destruction of the lowland settlement, people desire additional protection. Costs 1 Economy.
Current target: Cave City
[] [Main] Special- Convert Nomads with Star Axe
You have the Star Axe. Use it to convert the nomad hoards to your side. (Moderate chance of success. Success: gain significant control over who the Nomad Hoards attack. Failure: The Nomad Hoards attack you even more)
This invalidates the need for the War Mission - Nomads, and combos with [Comet] Nomads
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- Location
- Asia
[X] [Main] Scourge Warding
[X] [Main] Scourge Warding x2
[X] [Secondary] New Holy Site
[X] [Main] Scourge Warding x2
[X] [Secondary] New Holy Site
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
The circle is complete. The spirits of the Omake are at peace.
Something to think about is that should the DPs beat the HK we'd effectively get stuck in a siege, with them on our doorstep and us defending our territory. One way of breaking this siege would be to foment unrest in their back line (slaves rebellions are a thing) so expanding blackbirds might be something to think about should it get that bad. Probably the best way to prevent it getting this bad is to send a trade mission to the HK and see if we can't support them.
- Location
- Australia
Do your own. It's not like having more can be a bad thing.
The spirits of the Spirit Talkers on the other hand...
If some of them come back as angry, vengeful ghosts, does that make them the Spirit Talker's Talking Spirits? And if our shamans try to exorcise them, would that make them our Spiritual Spirit Talker's Talking Spirits Talkers?
I'll stop talking spirits now
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
I'm guessing luna is from lunatic and the relation to "nut"s?
It took 3 omakes to get the bonus last time, we need more if we want to get anything useful out of them.
Yep. That, and how nut = trees for us and so luna = sky for the ST.
It's okay. Somehow the golden opportunity of capturing the game over update was not done, so you have a great opportunity.
Also. Bitter and long arguments based on logic? Truly Alphahugger is Omegahugger's negaverse version.
- Location
- Sweden
You can write the ST's reaction to their own utter collapse. That would be awesome!
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Alphahugger did not have faith in his Spirits. It is clear why his society went under.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
The point isn't bonuses, it's just the fun of it. I would hate for this to turn into an omake-quest, and I'm pretty sure AN would hate it, too. It's why he tends to be quiet about those sorts of bonuses.
Honestly, I'm planning on doing an omake about us accidentally cursing the axe. I just need to get the wording of the blessing right...
- Location
- Dreiländereck
[X] [Main] Scourge Warding
[X] [Main] Scourge Warding x2
[X] [Secondary] New Holy Site
This is fascinating. We inadvertently shattered the status quo, or at least accelerated its shattering and let the ST go the way of the Dodo. Now we need to finish the megaproject to exploit this situation somehow.
[X] [Main] Scourge Warding x2
[X] [Secondary] New Holy Site
This is fascinating. We inadvertently shattered the status quo, or at least accelerated its shattering and let the ST go the way of the Dodo. Now we need to finish the megaproject to exploit this situation somehow.