AN said it wasn't quantity. Our boat tech level simply isn't going to be carrying significant numbers of warriors.

And furthermore, the Stallion Tribe situation could happen anywhere we lack proper trails. As such, hooking the roads up effectively heads off future administrative difficulty/splintering problems and allows us to reinforce locations promptly. Being able to get the men to a port is great, but they still need to disembark and ride to the battle.
AN said it was an issue of tech, not roads. Furthermore, the description of New Trails has changed.

New Trails - The new coastal settlement is supported mostly by boats and the expansion of the limited trails there would be of great utility

New Trails - There are many settlements with only marginal trails, so more could be useful
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I don't think they make chariot cheaper. We already have plenty of wood. I think we'll be better served if we finally build that iron mine. Hopefully, nothing happens next turn that requires our attention to turn somewhere else.
It's not whether it makes it cheaper for us but whether it makes it cheaper for the ST.
 
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Or, as I see it, the panic option that doesn't actually address the panic, or the long-term action that'll help tremendously.
Increasing our martial store from the lowest it's been in tens of generations isn't panic; it's the sane thing to do after burning a lot of it fighting. Rebuild.

On top of that, it has a guarantee of additional effects for our first Main. For Blackbirds that was compound bows, which were well ahead of their time.
 
AN said it wasn't quantity. Our boat tech level simply isn't going to be carrying significant numbers of warriors.

And furthermore, the Stallion Tribe situation could happen anywhere we lack proper trails. As such, hooking the roads up effectively heads off future administrative difficulty/splintering problems and allows us to reinforce locations promptly. Being able to get the men to a port is great, but they still need to disembark and ride to the battle.
Yes, in that you need to make enough to learn how to make better boats.
How else do you get better quality? More boats.

Also, don't the stallion tribes build their own trails?

Edit: on an unrelated note, more forest wouldn't make chariots cheaper (as they already have forests planted)...they would just prevent them from getting more expensive via over consuming the already available forest.

Edit edit: Gotta go to work
 
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Can we god damn get forests in the next turn or the turn after? Because this is getting ridiculous. Otherwise we'll *never* take the expand forest option since it'll always never be fast enough for people.
 
Increasing our martial store from the lowest it's been in tens of generations isn't panic; it's the sane thing to do after burning a lot of it fighting. Rebuild.

On top of that, it has a guarantee of additional effects for our first Main. For Blackbirds that was compound bows, which were well ahead of their time.
Chariots. Martial is going back up to 8, which combined with the March's martial of 5 should be enough to repel any hypothetical nomad attack. Northern steppes or other. Carrion eaters are icing on the cake, not a strict necessity.

As for the 'additional effects', we have no idea what they'll or if it'll actually be helpful in the current situation or the near future. Forest will definitely helpful, and the economy going to the March means they'll at full strength sooner rather than later.

Building the chariots means we'll survive next turn. Expanding the forest means we'll survive every turn after that as well.

Expanding the carrion eaters means we'll survive next turn a little bit better, and be just as prone to future attacks as ever.
 
You may wish to check your first interactions with them :p
Didn't they pop out of the proverbial locker and head butt us?

Yep it all fits. The Thunder Speakers are Aisaka Taiga in my head now.


Can we god damn get forests in the next turn or the turn after? Because this is getting ridiculous. Otherwise we'll *never* take the expand forest option since it'll always never be fast enough for people.
I'm totally okay with next turn being.

[] [Main] Build Iron Mine
[] [Secondary] Grand Sacrifice
[] [Secondary] Expand Forest

Do you have a location preference for the Forest?

E: After we deal with the coming mid turn of course.
 
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Can we god damn get forests in the next turn or the turn after? Because this is getting ridiculous. Otherwise we'll *never* take the expand forest option since it'll always never be fast enough for people.
....I thought we've taken the expand forest option a few times already? I distinctly remember voting for that when we integrated Northshore.
 
Didn't they pop out of the proverbial locker and head butt us?

Yep it all fits. The Thunder Speakers are Aisaka Taiga in my head now.



I'm totally okay with next turn being.

[] [Main] Build Iron Mine
[] [Secondary] Grand Sacrifice
[] [Secondary] Expand Forest

Do you have a location preference for the Forest?
We do still need to restore legitimacy so how about two secondary proclaim glories
 
....I thought we've taken the expand forest option a few times already? I distinctly remember voting for that when we integrated Northshore.
We have, the central provinces of Redshore, Sacred Forest, Valleyhome and Stonepen all have old growth deep forests. I imagine the Giants around Valleyhome are a sight to see.

It's the outer edges that are a problem.
 
We do still need to restore legitimacy so how about two secondary proclaim glories
If we have the resources. I'd prefer not bottoming out Art but hey what can you do? *starts eating the steak they ordered from the bartender.*

Those two secondaries are flexible. As long as the Mine is taken and the Stability drop is negated the plan'll be fine.

Our legitimacy is at 2. Why do we need two proclaim glories?
To do a x2 Proclaim to get a Main equivalent.
 
Ah well. I'm not too bothered about Carrion Eaters winning, but I really think we need to put some serious effort into expanding our forests. It will give us the defense bonuses we need in the areas we control, and we rely on those to blunt enemy attacks.

The other thing is that we've only expanded the forest in Northshore once, and I think the Stallion Tribe expanded forest once as well, but this appears to have had no noticable effect on the nomads attacks. It seems likely that it will require a couple of actions to build up enough forest cover to actually gain the bonuses the central provinces get.
 
Ah well. I'm not too bothered about Carrion Eaters winning, but I really think we need to put some serious effort into expanding our forests. It will give us the defense bonuses we need in the areas we control, and we rely on those to blunt enemy attacks.

The other thing is that we've only expanded the forest in Northshore once, and I think the Stallion Tribe expanded forest once as well, but this appears to have had no noticable effect on the nomads attacks. It seems likely that it will require a couple of actions to build up enough forest cover to actually gain the bonuses the central provinces get.
I think a huge part of the natural defenses of the central provinces is that they're hilly forested regions, and to top it all off the settlements are surrounded by step farms.

The Stallion Tribes lack both hills and step farms—primarily because you only need step farms if you have hills, but also because they tend to invest in pastures.
 
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