I think we can make expand forest more efficient if we expand black soil production.
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I think we can make expand forest more efficient if we expand black soil production.
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Here's a radical idea: Why not hold off boosting legitimacy for another turn in favor of getting our stability up? Or hell, if you really need to boost legit, do it as a secondary?
That would be action inefficient?
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Well, we might have to be a bit action inefficient to fit in other things as well, so I'm not sure what your point is.
Actually, the cost from going secondary->main Proclaim Glory is just about the going rate for Stability. 3 action-equivalents spent, but get a chance of Prestige for ~2.5 total net cost.
The thing I'm considering is dropping stability to -1 with a mine next turn, then we can Restore Order which is by far our most efficient stability option. It's pretty risky though, going that low in stability isn't something we want. Might be worth it though. Depends on what happens.
Yeah, part of the reason why I like Expansion is that it can build Forests on its own as well. I just think that Carrion Eaters are more important this turn, as nice as forests would be for the long-term. If we had some guarantee that we wouldn't be attacked I'd be all for building up our forests.
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That is some serious exaggeration your part.
I have never said that not taking forest would doom our vassal. I never even touched that.
I said that taking Forest is a long term deterrent that is best taken now than later.
To suggest I said otherwise is plain rude.
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Gotta deal with the coming mid turn first.
Probs not gonna be too bad. Hopefully the ETH implode and we won't have to worry about them for 3ish turns.
Better tools first. The reason we're having problems with boats is:
-Lack of pitch for sealing the joints. Current boats are inherently leaky to some extent, and thus cannot bear much standing weight.
--Get this from Study Forest. Resinous trees can have the sap boiled into a waterproof sealant
-Lack of advanced wood jointing techniques. We simply can't shape wood easily without saws.
--Get this from Iron or Bronze. Then use the saws to make fancier joints...or make some nails
The tiny chance is because if we try to get it from boats alone, we're going to need to develop the tools from scratch.
ANd it's why we need better logistics in general, because it doesn't change that if Redhill gets attacked by Thunder Nuts, reinforcements will find it hard to arrive.
Internal trails for themselves. Useless for instance, to connect Redhill and Southshore.
Yes. Forest Faction is just feeling cravings.
Also going by the holy sites, Southshore and Black River have native forests already.
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Very true, I just wanted to get the idea out there and see what others thought of it.
On a side note, does anyone have the list of actions which count for the Canal? Here's what I remember:
1) Megaprojects (excluding The Law I think)
2) Extended Projects (presumably, we've never done one)
3) Double-Main Walls
4) Main Mine
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I think that's it. All the buildy things if we build hard enough give the Canal bonus.
So long as we keep some economy available for them, anyway.
Disproven. Go check this turn's actions.
Unless the legitimacy hit we've taken is also interfering, hmm.
Either way, I'd prefer Proclaim Glory because I want that last point of legitimacy back before doing police work.
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I think Secondary Mine would apply as well, and I'm pretty sure we just need one Main Walls (since secondary walls gives 'minor walls'). Maybe Expand Snail Cultivation as well?
That doesn't really disprove anything because we can't do any stability raising actions (except for Enforce Law and Proclaim Glory)
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@Academia Nut I'm assuming that Expand Snail cultivation is our general "Coastal Engineering Advancement" button? And if so, what's the likelihood of harbors happening if we double-main it?
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Wait I just noticed something all our stability boosting actions except Proclaim Glory and Enforce law are crossed out even though they shouldn't be could it be that we need legitimacy to be max in order to take them again?
Is it bad the immediate solution to the hill issue that I thought of was to build hills from the skulls of the nomads
But, yeah, the only defense bonus they get would be from forests, and they don't get that at the moment. Northshore, Black River and the Eastern Hills province are in a similar position. Southshore has hills so they aren't too vulnerable. I think Stonepen is mostly forested, but I'm not completely sure about that.
Hopefully, the provinces expand the forests, but I think they'll focus on expand economy at the moment for the immediate gains.
I have no doubt the Carrion Eaters will be useful, I was just more focused on the long term than short term. Saying that, perhaps short term is better in this instance, what with the nomad hero still at large.
Speaking of elite troops, when was the last time we picked more Blackbirds?
... Huh.
We do have the econ to run Grand Sacrifice or Improve Festivals, and they're not available either.
That's a very good point.
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I think it's a copy error from AN.
They only cap out at Legitimacy or Legitimacy -1. Having to max Legitimacy before we can raise Stability at all except by Proclaim or Enforce seems silly.
Huh. I wasn't even looking at the stability options. I agree, it is very strange. I'm guessing that it's human error and they weren't supposed to be crossed out this turn, they were just not un-crossed from last turn when we were at max stability (for our legitimacy at the time).
So, a long time ago, but at least it was a [Main] so we've still got a good number of them. Our Chariots count as elite troops too.
Of Forest and Fields.
So, a long time ago, but at least it was a [Main] so we've still got a good number of them. Our Chariots count as elite troops too.
The key here is: Whenever the People complete a major engineering project, they also gain Art and Mysticism.
We know the following count for sure:
-Double Main Build Wall
-Main Copper Mine
-Saltern
-Aqueduct
-Great Dam
We know the following do not count for sure:
-The Law
-Sacred Warding
We can PREDICT that the following MIGHT count:
-Double Main Build Watchtowers
-Double Main Expand Holy Sites
-Double Main Expand Snail Cultivation
-Double Main New Settlement( @Academia Nut is this even possible? )
-Double Main New Trails
-Main Iron Mine
We can GUESS that the following might or might NOT count:
-The Library - As per The Law, it's not about the building, but about the process of using it.
-Place to the Stars - In this case, it's a mix of intellectual and actual earthmoving. Probably counts though.
Theorized criteria:
-Action requires a minimum of two main action commitment or significant preparation work to unlock.
-Action requires creating a permanent structure or major earthmoving.
It's a matter of cultural pride. Creating lasting works like that seriously motivated our people.
The Library isn't really an engineering project, no.
Pretty sure Place To The Stars would count, though; the degree of precision required over the time required is very, very tricky.
Probably, but I aim to be clear when there is uncertainty.