Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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I don't quite recall what the specifics numbers mean here (twas a while back), but those are the pics
IIRC, it was when we poked Jashin about Summoning Scroll locations, and rolled dice over a map?
Gosh I really like this quest.
He needs to be in the same Zone to drain, if they have any sort of ranged attack this is still pretty dangerous for him.
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Ehhh. Mechanics exist to serve the simulation, not vice versa. If we've got them potted up and he can stand next to the pot, I doubt that'll be held against him.
He needs to be touching the same water to drain, so we can't do steep sided walls that prevent them from just swimming out.
Do you think they can't just swim out? I think crabs can swim IRL....
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No I mostly just think it's not hard to make teeny slots at the bottom and have Noburi a little ways away from them.
- If yes, can they be used in midair?
@Paperclipped @Velorien @eaglejarl
Can we get Kei/Snowflakes answer to these?
Or would you rather we ask about it in a plan/show it onscreen?
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I think he just needs to be in range, which for VD isn't defined with zones. The range is 1.5m × VD level, so that would be 75 meters for Noburi
Huh? Can you describe this a little bit? I think these crabs are like 500+ kg and as big as a person. Teeny slots are not going to cut it.
As stated, I don't think your proposal is going to work and is likely to get Nobs killed.
Emphasis mine.Bloodline Doc said:
Where are you getting this range from? The bloodline doc says it's same Zone.
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To be honest I'd have been in favour of siding with them long-term if they could maintain a reasonable level of not being arses. If they are to be the powers that be, and they want to save the world, well, that used to sound good enough. They had to go and kill Asuma though, so frankly the consequences are on them now
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Ah my b, in the same doc it's VD sensing that is 1.5m × VD, not draining. Though it does seem a bit weird that your detection range goes up but not your actual draining range...
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what our post-necromancy plan is, and "Resurrect Minato and convince him to Join the Akatsuki" is on that list. He's a stable non-psychotic guy who wants peace, has political acumen, and can travel quickly.
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How about telling him about how the Akatsuki killed not one but two Hokage? At this point I'm perhaps more interested in seeing Minato's version of Pax Konoha than anything else (except our own)
Why not "Resurrect Minato and kill Akatsuki" they are pretty bad dudes, and basically all of the Leaf essies (even Oro) seem preferable to having Akatsuki around.
Plus they killed Jiraiya, Minato's mentor. I don't think he'd be cool with joining up.
AMITY's pretty cool, man. Akatsuki are currently load-bearing for that.
In general, Uplift and Akatsuki have the same goals, and Akatsuki are is a position to actually achieve them. But we don't trust Akatsuki to not fuck up the execution, and they don't even take us seriously, so we're stuck fighting over who get to achieve our shared goals.
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Is it really? I think it's doomed. Akatsuki just murdered the Hokage and then robbed Leaf because they are unstable assholes.
Currently trajectory? Yeah.
I'm saying IFF we cleanly win necromancy, AND AMITY is still intact, the solution could be to stuff Akatsuki with reasonable stable pro-peace Essies.
Hidan isn't the entire Akatsuki but sure, he did it. Against Kakuzu's wishes. After which Itachi literally saved our collective asses because he cared about his former village and about AMITY too, and didn't kill Hazou when he easily could have because he realized he had been a douchebag to us and actively tried to make amends for that, on his own accord, when we represent a threat to their goals.
Honestly as far as S-rank ninja are concerned, most Akatsuki either really don't seem terrible or we don't know enough to tell. Lets not lump them all together. Kisame seems fine, from what we've seen and heard from Ami. Konan is the Rain Kage and seems genuinely invested in the lives of her people so there's that, plus she used to be Jiraiya's apprentice alongside Nagato, who by the way from what we have heard was probably a better person than any of the five Kage of his generation and the one prior, an idealist with enough power that he could have easily made his utopia happen with an iron fist. He would have won a war but instead he preserved lives and ultimately failed and died because of it. The last thing he did was resurrect his Akatsuki friends, who then ran off - without finishing off the alliance forces who were all but spent. Plus, we still don't know what the ritual was going to do and if it would have been that terrible. The others? We know next to nothing about Deidara and Sasori.
Sure, Hidan is a garbage person - but you know who else was a garbage human being? Hiruzen. And Hiashi. And Asuma. That's three Hokages, and I'm not even counting small fry like Ritsuo, or half of Leaf really, the Snake Sannin included. And Leaf is the least terrible of the five major villages. MFD is a deathworld - and the Akatsuki has committed far fewer atrocities than Hidden Villages do on the regular. I don't recall them burning cities full of civilians to the ground or anything remotely comparable and Asuma alone did that at least twice and probably far more than that - once when he had Akane do it and once when he nuked Isan to the ground. Truthfully, I'd much rather Akatsuki rule the world than Rock, Cloud, Mist or Sand and the only reason I would prefer Leaf is because we have extreme Clout in it and literally made Naruto the Hokage.
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Ponwog: I think it's fine to go ahead and pack as much as you want into a plan. Worst case, the plan isn't completed and it carries over to the next update.
I'm reasonably sure that none of {Hiruzen, Hiashi, Asuma} were mass murderers with a daily murder quota. Asuma ordered an unnecessary war crime (burn a city) during WWIV; Hazō does not know if there were valid strategic reasons for this. Asuma also destroyed Isan in order to prevent the essentially-certain destruction of civilization. Both of those are pretty darn bad, but he was otherwise a relatively enlightened and progressive person. Hiashi was a Leaf supremacist and archconserative but, so far as I'm aware, HDK of anything of any particular import that he or Hiruzen ever did wrong.
Oh sure, Hidan (who is the worst in this regard amongst the Akatsuki) runs around killing villages for fun and giggles and Jashin's grace but even for him - what is the death toll of that, compared to what happens in wars between hidden villages arguing over borders drawn on a map and the politically-motivated cullings and aftershocks thereof that are necessary to run them (see Hiruzen and his scorching squads)?
Thing is, deathworld ninja organizations kill a lot of people, or doom them to die as statistics in the name of something that no one other than village ninja indoctrinated from chidlhood with nationalistic propaganda give a solitary damn about. The stronger a village becomes, the more likely it is that it will try to conquer stuff and the casualties resulting from these wars dwarf the individual murder quotas of people like Hidan and Orochimaru.
Most Kage are terrible people by definition as soon as they fall in line with the same shit their predecessors did and don't even try to reform the system even though they could - and then they also navigate a complex web of interpersonal relations between village ninja, some of whom are just too powerful to not appease so they sell their soul to appease them (see : Asuma would let Kei be vivisected if we didn't come up with a solution, now imagine the shit he would let S-rankers get away with when it comes to people that aren't a Clan Head and Clan Consort of Voting Clans). Basically, I posit that a "Leaf Supremacist and Archconservative" Kage like Hiashi is a greater long-term asshole than a mass murderer that kills some people daily because they are likely to cause amounts of suffering that are untold in comparison. It doesn't matter if they don't murder people with their own hands, if their policies lead to blood being spilled and lives being ruined.
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I think the pro-peace essies we have are all very Leaf-aligned and would be aghast at the thought of joining Akatsuki.
If we're getting rid of all the current members, why keep the name?
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I don't remember any occasion he's had to test this, so the answer is probably HDK. Am I forgetting anything?
The goal of the line saying that genjutsu "Requires that the user can see the location of the target's eyes" is primarily an anti-cheese measure. You cannot make yourself invulnerable to genjutsu while still retaining good vision.
Closing your eyes or similarly blinding yourself is an effective, if costly, defense against genjutsu.
Yes, learning the theoretical elements now would save doing so later, though it would increase the total time required since studying the same material without a scroll is less effective. Note that it would still require a major time commitment from all parties. Roughly, instead of 3-6 months total training time, let's say instead it would be two blocks of 2-4 months training time.
While treaties existed prior to AMITY, the consequence of being caught killing enemy ninja was usually just escalating tensions -- ordinarily bad, but totally acceptable on the eve of a war. That could mean that they simply sent more missions against you rather than their other enemies, but even if someone declared war against you, it would still come down to a fight between factions with an uncertain victor. Foreign missions would improve a nation's positioning for the inevitable conflict.
Now, the consequence isn't that an enemy nation takes more missions against you or even declares war -- it's that Akatsuki razes your village and leaves you without any recourse.
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He wears it pretty much all the time, so essentially any occasion where a Sharingan or Byakugan was used around him in absence of other chakra expenditures. Like that time Itachi tried to recruit him into Rain.
Got it, thanks!
I guess that means Jiraiya's selective darkness skill is really good?
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