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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Velorien said:
Mist has all too many badass ninja, but the best (for you, now the worst) is probably Terumi Mei, who has both the Lava Element and the Boil Element Bloodline Limits, as well as legendary mastery of the Water Element.
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Paperclipped said:
"I'll keep that in mind," Hazō said. "Anyway, I also think the explanation of bloodlines as bound entities would rule out the expanded Elemental palette that many bloodlines grant to their users – like the Terumi Clan and their Lava Element."

"How does this rule out the hypothesis?" Orochimaru asked. "Setting aside that the Terumi Clan has the Boil Element rather than Lava, many jinchūriki channel non-standard elements using their Tailed Beasts. If at all, variant element bloodlines are evidence in favor of your hypothesis."
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Such incredible potential….

As if there wasn't already enough incentive for Noburi to become a biosealer, it seems like we might actually be able get Kagome the Explosive Release bloodline sometime far in the future if he does….
 
_The_Bomb said:
Well, bodies are not hard to keep. You put them in a storage scroll in a drawer in ANBU HQ.

And I imagine that a large amount of them probably have been cut up a bit by Kabuto by now for research. Still, that might not be a problem for Orochimaru.

His ability to transfer bloodlines is a complete game-changer, and I was utterly surprised he casually revealed it to us. We should really (sanity checked) confirm with Naruto that he knows.
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If not for the halting "going under orochimaru's knife" issue, I'd be really tempted to hunt down a top-tier bloodline to transplant to Mari.

Eh, if we gank Itachi, we can get eventually get Tsunade to implant them is someone. So that's nice.
 
eaglejarl said:
"The secondary failure effect produced a mass of black, oily beads that disassembled anyone they touched and converted them into more beads. We estimate thirty or forty more deaths in the southern third of the estate. The beads moved in non-aquatic fashion, although it's unclear if there was actual purpose to it. So far as we can tell, they are immune to kinetic force. Fire causes them to turn grey and become dormant. We have used MARI and Multiple Earth Wall jutsu to wall the beads off into a confined area. Kagome-sensei's recommendation is to leave them there for a few decades, although it would be wise to check every year or so and make sure they haven't tunneled out. The area was too large to create a granite floor under them, but they showed no evidence of digging ability.
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What do you think would happen if some of this was splashed on Hidan?

Perhaps we should put our engineers on designing a hollow kunai (or other RW like senbon) that will break on contact and splash the impacted area with their contents.

@faflec have we heard of any other ways to deliver fluid payloads through either RW or techniques?
Velorien said:
Yup. He now has mental copies of a seal that can only be opened by Tsunade, a seal that can only be opened by Naruto, and a seal that can only be opened by Orochimaru
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Is anyone else willing to throw a prep day on the extreme-OPSEC seal for letters to Naruto?
Left-Hand Mutant said:
If not for the halting "going under orochimaru's knife" issue, I'd be really tempted to hunt down a top-tier bloodline to transplant to Mari.

Eh, if we gank Itachi, we can get eventually get Tsunade to implant them is someone. So that's nice.
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Step 1: Acquire Mari and Naruto's informed consent.
Step 2: Acquire a Uchiha corpse from Sasuke/the Tower/Sand's cold-storage/etc.
Step 3: Convince Orochimaru and Tsunade to perform the transplant together (and hope Mari doesn't actually have that theorized bloodline)
Step 4: Sharingan Mari is Born
 
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Left-Hand Mutant said:
Eh, if we gank Itachi, we can get eventually get Tsunade to implant them is someone. So that's nice.
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She doesn't know how. This is the sort of skill that took world-class medical skills and probably thousands of vivisections to test.

That's going to be the really hard part about getting Orochimaru to agree to have her there to perform the surgery as well. Who knows, though. Maybe the really hard part is customization stuff and what Tsunade sees on Mari won't be nearly enough to teach her how to transplant bloodlines more broadly.
 
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Left-Hand Mutant said:
IIRC, MFD!Kakashi got his sharingan as an adult.
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That seemed to be a fluke, and it was never successfully replicated ever again. And you can bet the other villages checked really hard.

And, if it was something Tsunade could perform, there would have been a fair few Elite Jōnin walking around with the Sharingan after the massacre.
Left-Hand Mutant said:
or something *really weird* went down with Orochimaru sometime after he went missing.
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You're doubtful that he spent a significant amount of time vivisecting bloodline ninja in the decades after he left Leaf?
 
Seal proposal : chakra-gatherer (for Noburi to drain)
We have Minato's paper seals which gather large amounts of "ambient/environmental" chakra.
We know that ambient chakra includes human-useable chakra.
We have Noburi.

I suggest we research a variant on MS 8, which filters the intake of ambient chakra and only allows our chakra through. Noburi could then drain the gathered human-useable chakra, allowing us to bypass the usual problem of how to input filtered chakra into our coils correctly.

Main goal: increase chakra regeneration, allowing us to FOOM while on the move.
Rune or paper seal ? I think that a rune could gather more chakra, but I think a paper seal could achieve this effect if needed. We should probably try researching a paper seal version of this as soon as we get RRBs, because our paper sealing is so much higher.
 
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T_of_A said:
I think that's the same thing as natural chakra. We didn't have the terminology back then.
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Are you using "natural chakra" to mean what Orochimaru referred to as "ambient chakra" here? If so, that's really confusing.
Paperclipped said:
"Chakra is a latent energy field that suffuses the Human Path. It is not uniform, but rather has distinct subcomponents, believed by scholars to be created by the Sage for use by his various companions. Human chakra, which is the predominant type of chakra on this Path, is one component." He poured a vial of liquid colored a faint yellow into the clear beaker, leaving it still transparent.

"Nature chakra is simply another component," he said, holding up a vial with a darker red fluid. "It is the predominant type of chakra present on the Seventh Path." He poured in a few drops, turning the solution faintly pink.

"Ambient chakra is a mixture of numerous subtypes of chakra, which, apart from human chakra for humans and nature chakra for summons, are currently impossible to interact with, survey, and study. All humans possess an affinity for human chakra, though only ninja are capable of using it effectively."
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_The_Bomb said:
That seemed to be a fluke, and it was never successfully replicated ever again. And you can bet the other villages checked really hard.

And, if it was something Tsunade could perform, there would have been a fair few Elite Jōnin walking around with the Sharingan after the massacre.
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Other villages don't have medically-focused S-rankers.

IIRC, the QMs said the appearance of a fluke was the only thing keeping the other hidden villages from completely freaking out over the sharingan transplant.
Leaf couldn't afford the go to war with the entire EN, which a mass bloodline-transplant program would have caused.

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You're doubtful that he spent a significant amount of time vivisecting bloodline ninja in the decades after he left Leaf?
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You seem to misunderstand. I'm saying that something very weird would have to have happened for the reviled and traitorous missing-nin Orochimaru to pop by and give Kakashi a sharingan.

It's certainly not *impossible*, but it would require some weird-ass circumstances. Less weird would be that super-medic Tsunade had some reason to bend her normal rules and do it.
Heck, Oro&Tsunade probably did the fundamental research together back when they were a team.
 
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Left-Hand Mutant said:
Other villages don't have medically-focused S-rankers.
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Ah, I meant their spies would check to see if it was a fluke really fucking hard.
Left-Hand Mutant said:
You seem to misunderstand. I'm saying that something very weird would have to have happened for the reviled and traitorous missing-nin Orochimaru to pop by and give Kakashi a sharingan.
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Ah, gotcha.
Left-Hand Mutant said:
It's certainly not *impossible*, but it would require some weird-ass circumstances. More likely is that super-medic Tsunade did it. Heck, they probably did the fundamental research together back when they were a team.
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Cannai could probably tell us about how the whole thing went.
 
_The_Bomb said:
How often are ninja courses not cremated? Do burials ever happen or are the only ninja corpses out there the freshly dead, those in a lab, and those sealed away in cold-storage?
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Leaf corpses are always cremated where possible for religious reasons. Burial is a way of disposing of bodies, not laying them to rest. In Mist, cremation is the default, but burials at sea are also an accepted way to send people to meet the ancestors.

_The_Bomb said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped @OliWhail @faflec
  • What did Jiraiya actually get in exchange for Kei?
  • What was the arrangement for the Pangolin Scroll after Kei's death?
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HDK. Jiraiya didn't share the conclusions of the negotiations with Hazō, likely because they were unremarkable (e.g. piles of money to add liquidity to Jiraiya's existing fortune, or political support for general or specific purposes) and/or classified (e.g. special seals or lore).

Kei was always uncomfortably transparent about her plans for her death, so Hazō knows she originally intended to leave the scroll to Mari. He doesn't know if that is still the case.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
This is a fair point, it gives us a little more leverage and wiggle room in such an interrogation scenario. It's unlikely to be sufficient to cover up us actually reneging on the deal and doing dimensionalism work, but I could see it helping us avoid surrendering rune research to the Akatsuki if we've been otherwise playing it straight. As I said earlier, I like this angle of approach to the problem, even if I don't think it allows us to eschew going missing.
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I dont think an interrogation is as risky as you seem to believe for the myriad reasons already mentioned - and as for dimensionalism...

Why do we need to be the ones working on that, exactly? We could have Oro researching it extremely easily if we fed him Necromancy info, while we could simply work on other Runic stuff that does not irk Akatsuki out if we are questioned in the meantime and trade him some of the Runic designs we make for useful things like lore, jutsu, seals etc.

Frankly, there is plenty of research to pursue and we don't need to actively research the Rift aka be the ones opposing Akatsuki because letting the Snake Sannin know about the existence of the Rift to the Afterlife and their plans to bring Pain back would get him working to put an end to said plans on his own. After all if Pain comes back then Orochimaru is going to get hunted down and killed - plus resurrection is a chief interest of his anyway and there are some people he would like back (like Jiraiya). Lets not forget that it will only take us about a year to grow into enough power to not be paranoid about each and every S-rank visit, so buying time should be our top priority since given safety and time we are likely to outscale everyone in the setting.
 
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Crunbum said:
Frankly, there is plenty of research to pursue and we don't need to actively research the Rift aka be the ones opposing Akatsuki because letting the Snake Sannin know about the existence of the Rift to the Afterlife and their plans to bring Pain back would get him working to put an end to said plans on his own. After all if Pain comes back then Orochimaru is going to get hunted down and killed - plus resurrection is a chief interest of his anyway and there are some people he would like back (like Jiraiya). Lets not forget that it will only take us about a year to grow into enough power to not be paranoid about each and every S-rank visit, so buying time should be our top priority since given safety and time we are likely to outscale everyone in the setting.
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I would like to note that there is the very real possibility of Orochimaru defecting the second he knows a Rift to afterlife (under the control of the Akatsuki) exist: his primary reason to hate them is the Ritual, that multiple sources consider it now unfeasible for various reasons, primarily because three Tailed Beast are missing. While collaborating with the Akatsuki would not be his preference, the rift would be a carrot big enough to convince him depending on his feelings on Nagato.
On top of that the Akatsuki would have absolutely no problems with his peculiar...lifestyle, nor would be particularly inclined to hunt Orochimaru down(Nagato is pretty emotional regarding the people that decided to follow him in his project for peace, that is clear from what we know of him) if Sasori or Hidan are an example. Especially if he's smart enough to understand that Leaf cannot wait to backstab and kill him the second they can get away with it.

Crunbum said:
Why do we need to be the ones working on that, exactly? We could have Oro researching it extremely easily if we fed him Necromancy info, while we could simply work on other Runic stuff that does not irk Akatsuki out if we are questioned in the meantime and tade him the Runic designs we make for useful things like lore, jutsu, seals etc.
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I'm confident Itachi would easily find out about rule-lawyering behaviour stuch as "i'm not personally developing rift seals", but it is a solution. Moreover, rift seals by themselves are not going to be enough, we need a way to defend the rift enough to steal it, so researching Anti-Akatsuki runes in Leaf and then going missing once we have the capabilities to steal the rift is a possible path.
 
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