Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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- Yes.
So they're using chakra boost?
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- ?
So wait, our prep work provided initial delay, but dice are the same? I mean, if we try to run again, will they roll TM with more dice they did? (Assuming no boost)
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- The Deep Blue Sea
Them having to slow down to track our obscured, fading trail is what caused the malus, I think.
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- ?
You'd think that'd be awareness issue. Then once we botched stealth they went after us at full steam.
I can't help it man; I just jump on any opportunity you give me.
Chained jokes and puns like this get launched with your assistance.
You are performing your springboard duties admirably.
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- UK
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That and the fact that they had to take time to deal with Kagome's traps, allowing you to build a significant lead.
You don't know.
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- Yes.
Are we throwing traps out now?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Action Plan: >Be the other guy
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- UK
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Because you were far ahead and your initial trail was well-concealed, they had a chance of heading in the wrong direction and losing you (Awareness). Even after they spotted you, if you increased your lead sufficiently, you could have bought yourself time to slow down and cover your tracks more carefully (Tactical Movement).
No. You're running as fast as you can to delay the confrontation until you can come up with a plan, and it's still not fast enough.
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- The Deep Blue Sea
We can move at ninja speed - spread it out among several villages and cities enough that it's statistically indistinguishable. I agree with you that *long-term* hermitude won't be optimal, but several months of intense practice and research in relative isolation is probably a really good starting move under such a system.
What confuses me is that we aren't. Nobby's presence makes long term boosting a much more viable strat.
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- Phoenix, AZ
Probably true. We also don't have the skills to kill them in a straight up fight, or escape them by running. It is another Avenue to consider though.
Two or three deception rolls instead of (or improving) combat rolls seems worth it.
Another thought: have Hazou build a MEW fortress (might slow them down enough we get to reroll tac move)
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- Atlanta
If we can split our running angle between the two teams so that they meet up while still behind us, even if the Leaf team is going to help them enforce the DMZ, they may still need to spend some amount of time finding out what's going on, depending on how prepared they are for these kinds of scenarios.
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- how about no
Gathering initial supplies seems essentially the same as what I had in mind, but being a banker requires a decent reputation. If we just try to lend people money and accept us to pay us back, we are asking for trouble if they want to screw us. By gathering materials for merchants to sell from the environment initially, we don't have to worry about the merchants abusing our starting investment too much; we can always gather more stuff. We cannot, however, gain an appreciable sum of money at the same amount of risk.
By "promising" do you mean full of personal potential? Otherwise, how could such a promising merchant not have contacts in his home village?
I'd like a bit more elaboration on this section, if you don't mind.
How do we know how much money he needs? How do we know that he isn't cheating us by asking for more money than he really needs, and pocketing the rest? With material goods, we can identify the average price a normal merchant sells his wares at and his profit margins with a bit of mercantile espionage or having Keiko run enough numbers.
How often would we collect from any such debt? If we do it too often, we won't be making enough money to be worth our time, but if we wait too long the person whom we loaned money to might just try to leave and escape his debt to us. With material goods that he cannot transport himself, a merchant would be forced to work with us if he ever wants to relocate his enterprise or suffer huge losses to do so, which, if he is greedy, he won't do, which is exactly what I want from him.
Merchants already hire ninja to do stuff for them; it's one of the ninja villages' primary means of income. A business with a normal loan will not be able to undercut his competition reliably. The end goal of the ME plan is to have so many monopolies that eventually we can arbitrarily set the price of any good we want, within reason of course. Monopolies make an obscene amount of money and without any form of regulation (yay feudal tech level) we shouldn't have to worry about our stranglehold being disrupted by any political powers in play until we have multiple large fortunes.
The Yakuza are already illegal loan sharks in MfD (our client in Yuni was trying to escape his debts/obligations to them). Large regular sums of cash from a group of angel investors is much easier to notice than a bunch of merchants starting to undercut their local rivals.
I am not sure what you mean by "more direct advantages in continuing to do business with us". Banks need a reputation or backing of some kind for people to be willing to use them. As missing-nin, making any overt reputation that can be traced back to us harms op-sec.
I am not against the idea on principle; I just believe that it will need a lot of fleshing out if we want to make it work.
Alternatively, we might be able to do both: having a series of monopolies and banks to work with. Banks would make retrieving payment from our merchants easier; I simply did not include establishing any since it would be one more added complexity to an already complex proposal. However, if the hivemind is willing to entertain all of the rigors of creating a bank, I am interested in seeing similar constructive discussion on this topic. The more we can bounce ideas off of each other, the better.
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- how about no
Why not just head in the direction of the Hot Springs Patrol while taking out the Leaf bodies, have our best Deception people mimic something along the lines of "No! Wait! We are Leaf Nin-", and then explode the bodies enough to make it look like the Hot Springs ninja attacked the dead bodies?
We can even use Kawarimi so that the bodies get placed in the explosion right before the Stupid Box ignites (it uses super heated water and air right? I'd wager that some Hot Springs ninja are known for some form of hot water technique in some way, shape, or form) and have our Deception people already henged to look like alive versions of the dead patrol. All that's left is a big smoking crater, various bits of already-dead Leaf ninja (and possibly even some now-dead Hot Springs ninja) with the Leaf patrol on the way. These ninja are presumably specced for interception of highly dangerous jonin killers; I doubt that many of them have the Deception dice to see through one of Mari's rolls in their current, "we just ran through a Kagome-made minefield" state.
They can dispel all they want; the bodies are real, the explosion(s) will be real, and the ensuing confusion should be enough to let us slip away with another Stealth roll as the Leaf and Hot Springs ninja size each other up for combat, or even start fighting right away. Hell, we could even consider throwing an explosive seal at the Leaf ninja while they have their standoff just to make them start fighting each other and not us. It doesn't have to hold up on under an investigation, just stall both patrols so that we can leave for a very, very long while. The tricky part will be making the bodies look recognizable as Leaf nin, but not too recognizable that they will notice that these people were the ones who went missing on patrol a long time ago. However, I doubt that the Hot Springs ninja know anything about that particular border incident and we can use that to our advantage.
The downside to this is that we would be making the international incident even worse, but RNGesus has spoken:
WW4 time (at worst) or die.
Jiraiya is gonna be pissed off regardless at this point.
I don't think we have enough time for anything else, tbh. We have minutes in game to prepare, wounded teammates, dead bodies from the same country as one of the interceptor groups after us, some chakra, and loads of explosives. That's it since somebody refused to let us weaponize tentacles from another dimension. *grumble grumble* (kidding ofc)
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SoothingCoffee
Umumumu
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- The Library
Obviously, the only way we could get away out of this unscathed is by... killing ourselves!
Wait, that's not unscathed. Eh, same diffs.
Wait, that's not unscathed. Eh, same diffs.
Right. I was responding to the stated fear that we'd spend our characters' whole lives that way if we didn't have need for XP pushing us. I don't think the fear is justified.
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- how about no
Also, when was the last time we Dispelled?
We need to start doing that at the beginning of each update again.
If this is all a genjutsu we should get out of it ASAP.
We need to start doing that at the beginning of each update again.
If this is all a genjutsu we should get out of it ASAP.
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- Leeds
I suspected the answer would be something like that.
What can you do? WoG OP pls nerf.
Thats a stupid explanation. I mean if its a GM veto then theres nothing we can do. However:
- What moves the log to be where we started?
- Assuming that the maths quoted was correct why is momentum maintained relative to before the technique was initiated?
- Why do we accelerate and decelerate?
Are you sure you're thinking of substitute not flash step or whatever Naruto version is called?
Oh I'm just looking at the maths. There might be WoG somewhere that explains those numbers and its just a coincidence but...
E: Ooops missed Qwerty
guess it can't be confusion with gota go fast no jutsu.
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- The Deep Blue Sea
I don't think this is in the current tech tree, @MadScientist
Problem: the trail then stops at a human-massed rock.
Possible solution: PMYF at a 90 degree angle to the current path, henge immediately after landing
@Velorien @eaglejarl this was a background action several updates back. The plan specifically called for practicing catching the kunai, but did we ever practice long-distance jumping with PMYF?
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- how about no
We want our trade, not competition. Monopolies, by definition, have no one challenging their supremacy over a certain market.
Our first and most effective form of securing monopolies will be undercutting our merchant's rivals, but assassination or sabotage may be needed eventually. I'd rather not limit ourselves before we even encounter such a problem though.
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- The Deep Blue Sea
That's been stated to be pretty much what TacMov consists of, I believe
Also, the answers to all your questions probably ends up being "chakra bullshit", at least as far as Hazou knows *shrug*
For ourselves or for the Elemental Nations?
I am not going to harp on about the free market or anything, but monopolies are often inefficient.
If they're causing massive problem for everyone else, then they need killing. Otherwise, leave them alone.
Any merchants who's inept enough to get disrupted by superior competition should get dropped like stone.
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- how about no
Starting a business is always a pain, but it's a risk with a potential reward like any other. The main difference with this risk is that, even if it fails, we won't be risking our lives, just some easily replaceable wealth.
I'm getting a bit of Déjà vu here though. I think I might have already posted something a long time ago about phase two of expansion in the ME, so I'll try to find it this weekend when I have time. I just don't want to contradict myself if I can help it.
I am still not sure what else long term we can really do at this point, besides working in Jiraiya's spy network (if he won't kill us on sight after what we've done in Hot Springs), doing random missions for XP, waiting for our year's exile from Hidden Mountain to expire, becoming a bunch of Sealing Hermits, or more mucking about in international politics (even if it is accidental).
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