To be fair, I don't think this is ever going to happen when there's a double action plan. That usually happens when we have asynchronous timeline shenanigans going on.
I disagree. If at the end of Vel's wonderful alternate timeline update, it had been announced that we needed to follow a certain format, I think it likely would have happened. The issue is that it was a slow rollout so it was scattered.

But coordinating that is hard given that the QMs have so many balls in the air. IMO that's the real barrier.
 
I disagree. If at the end of Vel's wonderful alternate timeline update, it had been announced that we needed to follow a certain format, I think it likely would have happened. The issue is that it was a slow rollout so it was scattered.

But coordinating that is hard given that the QMs have so many balls in the air. IMO that's the real barrier.
Right, it's when we have asynchronous timelines from different QMs writing different plot threads that we get into this situation, which means that the QMs need to coordinate how they want to open voting beforehand. When we get little side votes in the update it's very different.
 
So like, a few times the QMs have mentioned that vote count and plan variety is a source of +spoons and +dopamine to them.

So... why not incentivize both? Simply provide +.01 FP to a pool per voter that may be given out to any of Hazou, Kei, Akane, or Noburi at any time (and push them over the usual cap of 6, should that be the case), and +.05 per action plan with more than 50% of the vote. Admittedly, the latter part seems like it could create bad incentives, but the first bit seems fine as incentives go to me.

Naturally, if this is adopted, I will accept a free FP donated to Noburi for use in his surgeries, as payment.
 
Right, it's when we have asynchronous timelines from different QMs writing different plot threads that we get into this situation, which means that the QMs need to coordinate how they want to open voting beforehand. When we get little side votes in the update it's very different.
We need to manifest the QMs a Gaku. Gaku would fix this.
 
So like, a few times the QMs have mentioned that vote count and plan variety is a source of +spoons and +dopamine to them.

So... why not incentivize both? Simply provide +.01 FP to a pool per voter that may be given out to any of Hazou, Kei, Akane, or Noburi at any time (and push them over the usual cap of 6, should that be the case), and +.05 per action plan with more than 50% of the vote. Admittedly, the latter part seems like it could create bad incentives, but the first bit seems fine as incentives go to me.

Naturally, if this is adopted, I will accept a free FP donated to Noburi for use in his surgeries, as payment.
Oh whoops meant to ping the QMs with this.

@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped
 
So... why not incentivize both? Simply provide +.01 FP to a pool per voter that may be given out to any of Hazou, Kei, Akane, or Noburi at any time (and push them over the usual cap of 6
FP isn't capped at 6. We just can't buy more than that with XP. I think Noburi had 9 at one point?

Regardless, there's a chart in the rules somewhere about FP refresh rates, we stop accumulating them through refresh at 7. However, we could still conceivably gain more by winning conflicts and receiving Consequences.
Naturally, if this is adopted, I will accept a free FP donated to Noburi for use in his surgeries, as payment
Rolls(?) are already done according to Paper on Discord, awaiting QM sign-off.
 
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FP isn't capped at 6. We just can't buy more than that with XP. I think Noburi had 9 at one point?

Regardless, there's a chart in the rules somewhere about FP refresh rates, we stop accumulating them through refresh at 7. However, we could still conceivably gain more by winning conflicts and receiving Consequences.

Rolls(?) are already done according to Paper on Discord, awaiting QM sign-off.
I'm aware of both of these things. That's what I meant by 'capped'. I was also mostly joking about the FP for Noburi. :p

And sure, theoretically, we could win more through conflicts or consequences. But that's literally never going to happen.
 
And sure, theoretically, we could win more through conflicts or consequences. But that's literally never going to happen.
There is the option to take social Milds. Risk embarrassment by losing arguments with social spec genin. Or arrange series of public debates with Hinata. Win or lose, looks good to shake hands, be on the same stage. Go for positions where we lose, she wins, her elders lose. Slip her ideas like one byakugan, 100 telescope skytower nests.
 
There is the option to take social Milds. Risk embarrassment by losing arguments with social spec genin. Or arrange series of public debates with Hinata. Win or lose, looks good to shake hands, be on the same stage. Go for positions where we lose, she wins, her elders lose. Slip her ideas like one byakugan, 100 telescope skytower nests.
That's a conversation best had away from the Hyuuga estate, to arrange that, but I have no problem with doing that some time. It's a good way to give the Hagoromo a win or two as well as long as it's Mari-vetted (so as to not accidentally grind our reputation into the dirt).
 
There is the option to take social Milds. Risk embarrassment by losing arguments with social spec genin. Or arrange series of public debates with Hinata. Win or lose, looks good to shake hands, be on the same stage. Go for positions where we lose, she wins, her elders lose. Slip her ideas like one byakugan, 100 telescope skytower nests.
I don't think this would be high enough stakes. It's more like a verbal spar than something with consequence. If it matters enough to win FP, the FP will not be worth more than winning the conflict. Or not be worth more than the downsides of losing.
 
Plus, would that even be building good will? Hinata doesn't have much to gain from it, if she's fighting against the clan either way - because she's opposing them, or because she's with us in being with them.
And everyone in Leaf with better socials than us will figure out that we're lying, too.
 
FP are extra valuable because of the Conclave. Difficulty of getting FP has not gone up. Goal is to extract most value from debates. Winning debates is a win, losing debates earns FP. Rules of debate set up for other party to accept with expectation of better win ratio because we will not spend FP. Matches narratively as practice with stakes before presenting in 7th Path.

Damage to credibility at home for better performance at the Conclave. Fair to think this is a bad trade.
Getting FP is not hard, we can literally just buy FP up to 6 in between updates, and you don't get FP for losing conflicts. You get one if you win or one for each Consequence you take.
 
Plus, would that even be building good will? Hinata doesn't have much to gain from it, if she's fighting against the clan either way - because she's opposing them, or because she's with us in being with them.
And everyone in Leaf with better socials than us will figure out that we're lying, too.
I would vote for a plan wherein we get lunch with Shino and Hinata and try to uncover some of her Aspects through social combat.

We can and should express our feelings about Hinata to Shino and ask him for his read. She seems like a nice lady, we're worried her clan has it out for us, we'd honestly like her as an ally because we need to put down roots in Leaf and the Hyuuga are awesome badasses with cool eyes.
 
We can and should express our feelings about Hinata to Shino and ask him for his read.
Maybe later, once Shino has a more solid understanding of Hazou. Right now, Hazou confuses him and Shino's a little suspicious. Hinata is his teammate and friend, so Shino's going to be defensive/protective of her. Let's wait until Shino can trust in Hazou's honesty when we tell him we want to help Hinata.
 
Maybe later, once Shino has a more solid understanding of Hazou. Right now, Hazou confuses him and Shino's a little suspicious. Hinata is his teammate and friend, so Shino's going to be defensive/protective of her. Let's wait until Shino can trust in Hazou's honesty when we tell him we want to help Hinata.
Honestly getting the Conclave on lock and furnishing every genin with a storage seal (the family of every academy student, too?) will go a long way to cementing us as weird but definitely a good guy.

Having her present when we discuss the Dragons with Neji would be good, too - briefing clan heads and Summoners personally makes sense IMO.

Shoot. We should have petitioned Asuma to send a Turtle to get Neji and his eyes to the Great Seal.
 
I wonder how many explosive seals per month it'd be to furnish every genin that goes on a mission outside of Leaf with 2.

e: ...This is probably something we could ask Kei and she'd know offhand
 
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I would vote for a plan wherein we get lunch with Shino and Hinata and try to uncover some of her Aspects through social combat.
I would vote for a plan wherein we make contact with them and do not antagonise them instead. I don't know how the mechanics work, but don't we need successes to uncover aspects? They both have socials through the roof for people of our age group, so...
 
They both have socials through the roof for people of our age group, so...

I don't think they will have huge advantages over us right now simply because people our age don't have a ton of XP to play around with. Their pyramid are almost certainly similar to Noburi's. So they might have 1 or 2 socials in the 40's and the others in the 30's. Which is better than us but not by a ton.

And if we're really worried about it just wait five or six months. We're almost certainly getting around 3X their exp per day and in 6 months we will be another year ahead of them
 
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