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- Pacific standard
That et al is really scary....
[X] Do what Mari et al think we should do
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
[X] Do what Mari et al think we should do
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- Yes.
I intend to make a section addressing the Oro scene, but am trying to figure out what the thread wants. I loosely feel that we should just go in, make the Seal, and vamoose, +/- provisions for ensuring our method doesn't get leaked. Does this jive with the thread consensus?
Also made some minor changes, posting for openness.
This is basically what I want
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- Yes.
So something like...
- Orochimaru:
- Optimize with Mari, Kei, Noburi.
- We think complying may be necessary. Can we try to mitigate OPSEC breaches?
- Hazou can't think of much beyond requesting privacy. Thoughts?
- Do what they suggest.
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Maybe also Ami? She's gone toe to toe with him before...?
The idea of bringing props - using detailed notes and sketches to "work" from, has been floating around the thread.
This is specific bloodline stuff I don't trust her with. Prefer not
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- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Oh, I thought you meant regarding Earthshaping, not the Iron Nerve. Yeah, that makes more sense.
@faflec could have fake diagrams and reference that?
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- Yes.
Alright, made changes to include an Orochimaru section (and minor snipping for word count).
- Location
- The Void
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Not sure how I would implement it but the tone of this is way off from how we showed up. We walked in with some Big Sannin Energy and instead of trying to follow it up it seems like we're doing our normal terrified to offend anyone routine. I kinda want us to pick a fight with someone
Maybe do something like threaten to bankrupt a merchant by cutting a deal with a competitor unless they support us slash help pay for bribes
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
We were directly told that picking a fight with anyone would be a Bad idea.
Hazou's Rapport is 31 and his Intimidation is 5.
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- Yes.
[X] (Conclave) Action Plan: Delicate Matters
I would highly recommend linking to the Rat Clan's ideology.
- Location
- The Void
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Luckily Kei's is 30. That lets us do a good cop bad cop
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I'm not opposed to some more direct action but only when we have a better understanding of what's going on cuz I just don't think we've got the context to commit to something like that since we'd be going in essentially blind
- Location
- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I've made some major updates - notably, I've given up on brevity XP. This is still below 400 so we don't take a penalty and I don't think it'll hurt SC training etc. as XP will be based on the word count of the other plan...?
I'm tagging every non-QM person who replied to me/quoted me in the last little bit as well as voters: @cog-nito, @Sir Stompy, @Inferno Vulpix, @Rafin, @Cariyaga, @faflec, @RandomOTP, @Oneiros.
Happy to take suggestions: I should be around tomorrow to implement them. Please message/ping me on Discord for anything major (e.g., significant enough that you'd de-vote or vote). If I sound a little clipped it's because I'm tired - I love y'all and planmaking is fun.
I'm tagging every non-QM person who replied to me/quoted me in the last little bit as well as voters: @cog-nito, @Sir Stompy, @Inferno Vulpix, @Rafin, @Cariyaga, @faflec, @RandomOTP, @Oneiros.
Happy to take suggestions: I should be around tomorrow to implement them. Please message/ping me on Discord for anything major (e.g., significant enough that you'd de-vote or vote). If I sound a little clipped it's because I'm tired - I love y'all and planmaking is fun.
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- Location
- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Suggestion:
- Make the visit public. If Condors come up, stay extremely neutral - don't condemn, but don't agree. Send a clear message that we're not affiliated or approving, balanced with gifts/tribute.
You're using the word apology without prior reference or explanation. What are you trying to say?
Suggestion:
- Bring tribute on par with Pangolin tribute.
- Don't comment on Pangolin occupation, but do mention that Kumokogo admires Conjura's legend and that the Empress is looking forward to collaboration with Condors.
- Goal: send a clear albeit deniable message of support to Condor sympathizers.
The notion of 'merchant' might or might not map to the Rats. Have we heard about Rat ideology?
Suggestion:
- Approach the Rats next, once rumours of Hazo's Pangolin and Condor meetings have circulated. Approach the most influential Rats who will meet with us with tributes. Ask about their ideology and culture: the Human Path has a lot of problems, and the Rats have built a strong society. Discuss Goketsu/Uplift's successes, failures, and approaches. Do they have suggestions?
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
I like all the changes and can say that I'm happy with the plan now, with the proviso that the Orochimaru section lost its sanity check and should probably get that back.
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- Yes.
- There's gotta be a better way to say "You can't treat us unfairly, but trading for seals/clan secrets might make things fair." As is I am very concerned Asuma would become annoyed by our foot-in-mouth.
- If we're putting Goketsu behind this 100%, we shouldn't then express concern about not helping Orochimaru. One of those two things should be removed, and I feel it's better that we support Orochimaru in this regard (though others may disagree).
- I again express concern about the wording of our thanks, but acknowledge my difficulty in verbalizing the exactness of my concerns. Can someone else take a pass at that part and see if I'm just being me?
- Why are we asking for his solutions before ours, exactly?
- We should not mention EM nukes. Their collateral damage makes using them against the Dragons useless unless we are willing to risk the Great Seal suffering further damage or are able to lure the dragons the many miles away to render it safe from catastrophe. Also, Asuma alone learning EM is sufficient for most uses.
- Mareo doesn't need repatriation to Leaf to be useful against the Dragons; getting him to Leaf is only meaningfully useful for improving Leaf's personal power.
- What IV said about Orochimaru.
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Fixed, thank you.
I agree that the wording isn't great. If anyone comes up with something better, I'm happy to make a change. That said, I think that saying it poorly is better than not saying it.
Disagree - we're putting Goketsu behind this 100% in the same way that Leaf is behind it 100%. If Asuma doesn't want us to do this, we really shouldn't, and IMO this is a decision with strategic implications and therefore needs to be run by Asuma first. 'lol we accidentally made Orochimaru ungovernable but at least the Dragons aren't going to kill us' is not a good look.
Put another way - I am not concerned about asking for permission too aggressively.
We're saying 'thank you for acting on this and thank you for treating us kindly - we know you're under a huge amount of pressure of a very specific flavour we've seen up close and are floored by the fact that you're managing as well as you are'.
If he suggests something we were going to suggest or something close, then we removed the risk of saying it badly. It also lets us calibrate what he would find acceptable, and maybe he has some good ideas.
What negative consequence do you think we would be hit with for saying it? He's almost certainly thinking about it and IMO the worst he can say is 'I will make decisions regarding the proliferation of this technique and inform you of them when I deem it appropriate'.
Having all our Summoners in one place helps for planning the eventual Dragonstrike, and we want to be able to have those planning meetings frequently. Regardless, getting him to Leaf gets Leaf another scroll when he kicks the bucket as opposed to the scroll sitting around the Eastern continent somewhere - we might as well mention it, although I might throw in a note that this is more of a 'good for Leaf' thing than a 'good for the Dragons' thing.
I can't imagine Asuma getting upset with us for mentioning that there's a Scroll out there Leaf can secure at its leisure.
Are you interested in voting for the plan?
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- Yes.
Do we even need to say it at all? Just saying "What does Goketsu have that Leaf wants?" seems to be enough.
Actually, maybe changing that to "What does Goketsu have that can be used for the Dragonwar?" might be better. Emphasis should be on the Dragons, not on Leaf.
Hm. Maybe change the Orochimaru section to something like "Orochimaru is learning 3D Sealing and has enlisted our aid", and add a tone-section about how we're concerned but don't want to be insufficiently open because Dragonwar? I think that would work better.
Ehhh....Personally feel saying them first is better, but this is more personal preference.
The consequences are that he'll more seriously consider spreading EM Nukes around, and possibly actually do it. It doesn't matter how loyal Ruri is; more people knowing about EM Nukes means the end of the world is more likely, and the marginal benefit of a second EM Nuke user for the Dragonwar is not worth the marginal cost of more people knowing about the WMD.
I mean, Asuma's Shadow Clones can EM Nuke if we need them; why do we need a second person-person learning the damn technique?
Asuma knows about Mareo, Mareo's mental health makes his involvement in meetings difficult, and the rest of it is a pro-Leaf thing whereas we should be focused on Dragonwar.
The EM Nuke is the big stickler, tbh.
Yeah my post was a little tongue-in-cheek. We probably want Hazou to visit them first to scope them out before we commit to a strategy that alienates them. I'm not opposed to threatening them by going to the competition, but I don't think it should be our first resort.
It seems obvious to me that chakra metal is a possibility here. Would you mind adding a line or two about it? I've been thinking we should ask the Tower about it/chakra golems for a while and now seems like a good time. My suggested edits in the quote. If you're willing to make the edit, I'm happy to WC optimize the plan below 400.
Same deal here, is probably worth bringing up chakra metal as a possible medium. Suggested edits in quote.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Again, if we could get someone Asuma trusts to check his work, it would be a benefit to our work on the great seal and Asuma in general to not have to sleep as much.
Aodyssey
The glass will not protecc you
- Location
- Chaldea
@FaintlySorcerous
[X] Action Plan: Answering Asuma, Soothing Snakes
Does this convey deference to a military leader or does it imply that we should have the last words rather than him?
Specifically, is it more respectful to go (We said something, he said something, we said something) or (We said all the things we have to say, he replies with his decision)
I think it's probably a minor issue and I'm overly worried, but it's a spot that stands out to me for you using deliberate word choices. I'd like to know your reasons.
[X] Action Plan: Answering Asuma, Soothing Snakes
Does this convey deference to a military leader or does it imply that we should have the last words rather than him?
Specifically, is it more respectful to go (We said something, he said something, we said something) or (We said all the things we have to say, he replies with his decision)
I think it's probably a minor issue and I'm overly worried, but it's a spot that stands out to me for you using deliberate word choices. I'd like to know your reasons.
- Location
- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Relatively minor updates.
I might try to cut some words down and include that explanation - if we did it, I'd want to explain to Asuma what we were doing and why, and I'm not sure the plan currently captures that.
Update made to clarify. Might throw it out if there isn't support.
It's not clear to me that he does know about Mareo.
I added this to the Asuma section.
It's sufficiently obvious that I'm not too inclined to bring it up to Orochimaru - as he's definitely handled the stuff (probably has some?) that he didn't mention it is IMO because he doesn't think it'd be viable.
I'm not going to include this - asking Asuma what he thinks of getting biosealed by Orochimaru is, at a minimum, sufficiently high-variance that I don't want to include it in this potentially-crucial conversation.
I want to minimize the chance that we say something dumb by letting Asuma potentially say things first.
Update made to clarify. Might throw it out if there isn't support.
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