The space will be attachment to one of the levels of the Basement. He will provide around a ton of quartz
I just want to point out that this is a laughably small amount compared to what Hazou will need for a full scale model. That's roughly 0.4 m^3 and a full scale model would be (based on EJ's comments of 1:3 model being 16m on a side) (16m)^3 * 3 = 12288 m^3
 
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Def not a fan of the current plan to handle Oro but one thing I would like to see is discussion of what we would like for him to pay us for our time
 
Def not a fan of the current plan to handle Oro but one thing I would like to see is discussion of what we would like for him to pay us for our time
I mean... [last time,] Orochimaru-pilot [chose to] give us hella shinies last time. Even if he just gave us another mountain of money, I'd accept it (especially given the Medium Financial Consequence our clan is operating under).
 
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Do you have suggestions? I'd be willing to consider them for my plan
Remember: He's an S-ranker and we can't get too greedy, or else he'll just have Asuma force us to do it for free.

Last time we tried to get greedy, of Hazou pilot hadn't caught it, Orochimaru would have been... displeased, as per EJ's interlude.
 
I mean... [last time,] Orochimaru-pilot [chose to] give us hella shinies last time. Even if he just gave us another mountain of money, I'd accept it (especially given the Medium Financial Consequence our clan is operating under).

Actually we did have a specific list of request from the last time we negotiated with him. If you just want money that's fine but we do have room to negotiate

The parts.
  • We wish to sell Orochimaru the parts and request some combination of the following as he feels is fair/appropriate.
    • Have a suggested offer ready if he doesn't want to decide.
  • Could he station a Snake in Arachnid?
    • Describe the other Dragons. We'd appreciate his insight/help.
  • We lack lore. Our interests include Dragons, Pain's ritual, the Sage, the Great Seal, the afterlife, etc.
  • The days are too short. Are there jutsu which reduce the need for sleep?
  • Useful jutsu/seals. (HazoPilot comes up with specifics.)
  • Further medical/sealing notes.
  • If he nixes everything else, ask for cash/land.
 
Remember: He's an S-ranker and we can't get too greedy, or else he'll just have Asuma force us to do it for free.

Last time we tried to get greedy, of Hazou pilot hadn't caught it, Orochimaru would have been... displeased, as per EJ's interlude.

This is 100% not the take. Oro got pissed because we where wasting his time not because we where bargaining for more. Walking in with a list of things we would like and letting him pick what he is willing to give up is fine as long as we very quickly go onto helping with 3-D sealing
Note that you didn't try to get more. The plan focused on setting up penalty clauses and the length of grace periods, not on anything like "Sure, that deal sounds fine. We'd also be willing to sell you one of the pieces if you're interested...? You are? Cool. There's a bunch of stuff we're interested in, so tell me what's easy for you. <List of things>."
 
I dare you all to send Orochimaru a message saying "No. I am not going into your basement for any reason because I do not trust you enough. I'll make another Great Seal replica aboveground and you can study it there. Signed, Clan Lord Gōketsu Hazō"

EDIT: In fact, I'll go all in: +10 XP to a PC of the players' choice (determined by vote) if you send that exact message. I desperately want to see what @Paperclipped and/or @Velorien do with Orochimaru's reaction.
 
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I realize this is probably a lot to ask. But would you mind at least hinting that we could use Minoto lootboxes if they exist? I really think this is the best time to ask for them and we really do need them to repair the GS as soon as possible.
Expectation management: on balance, we feel we made a mistake with the idea of lootboxes and they don't fit the level of simulation we strive for. The ones we have will continue to work because we aren't quite willing to grue them out, but there are no others to be had. You can gain increased XP by direct apprenticeship but not simply by reading.

I dare you all to send Orochimaru a message saying "No. I am not going into your basement for any reason because I do not trust you enough. I'll make another Great Seal replica aboveground and you can study it there. Signed, Clan Lord Gōketsu Hazō"
I double-dare you.

The players, that is, not @eaglejarl.
 
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Expectation management: on balance, we feel we made a mistake with the idea of lootboxes and they don't fit the level of simulation we strive for. The ones we have will continue to work because we aren't quite willing to grue then out, but there are no others to be had. You can gain increased XP by direct apprenticeship but not simply by reading.
Thanks for this information. We'll refocus priorities on shinies
 
How much bonus XP for this? Pay me and I'll do it
10 XP bounty edited in just before I saw your message. Offer void if y'all try to weasel around with it such as "we'll send that to get the bonus but soften it by..."

Note: This might be a disastrous and/or life-threatening mistake. I honestly have no idea and haven't thought about it or discussed it with the others. It might have horrible consequences for the players, but it will be super fun to write for the QMs.
 
Oro would so go "If you won't come to me, then I will come to you, Nephew", wouldn't he?
He'd let us do it and then the next day we'd wake up to see a giant sinkhole where the replica used to be. "Such a shame that the Goketsu's pet project almost caused a second Collapse," he'd say, while refusing to comment on where the replica actually went.
 
10 XP bounty edited in just before I saw your message. Offer void if y'all try to weasel around with it such as "we'll send that to get the bonus but soften it by..."

Note: This might be a disastrous and/or life-threatening mistake. I honestly have no idea and haven't thought about it or discussed it with the others. It might have horrible consequences for the players, but it will be super fun to write for the QMs.
Sorry EJ this isn't enough to risk it IMO. I would probably do it for 50 XP
 
10 XP bounty edited in just before I saw your message. Offer void if y'all try to weasel around with it such as "we'll send that to get the bonus but soften it by..."

Note: This might be a disastrous and/or life-threatening mistake. I honestly have no idea and haven't thought about it or discussed it with the others. It might have horrible consequences for the players, but it will be super fun to write for the QMs.
Can we chose to apply the 10 XP to our new character sheet?
 
Two thoughts.

One: Could we not simply (and truthfully) claim Clan Secrets on how we produce the replica? Was the previous replica made in sight of others? We could agree to Oro's request but ask to be left alone until it is completed.

Two: I remember us hearing about Rock digging too deep and finding a Terror of some sort that maybe messed with their leader's mind. I wonder if it's anything similar to what we found in the crystal cave, some sort of Sage-era entity, or perhaps a different type of chakra golem.
 
Send a letter clarifying scale (1:3? 1:1?) and requesting raw materials. Offer to excavate and transport (wood frame, rollers) existing model - faster, no need to involve Tsunade.
This could be cut for word count. At 16 m on a side (~4000 m^3) and made of granite with a weight of 2.75 tons/m^3 the previous replica weighs in excess of 10000 tons and cannot be moved. I don't think any human civilization has ever moved a rock that big in all of human history IRL.

Vel also already answered the other parts, scale is 1:1, and Nobs can be involved.

Although the raw materials provided are completely inadequate.
 
We should be working on our conclave plan, not the Asuma plan, as the priority, given that we do not yet have a deadline for the Asuma plan (though it would presumably be a reasonable one, so don't put it off).
 
@FaintlySorcerous I am in agreement with all of Inferno Vulpix's comments here, and have some comments of my own:
How can we help you help us?
Is this necessary? I am having trouble justifying this addition.
Note: we're just realizing Spider scroll business could've appeared as blackmail. We have massive blind spots; please deny any apparent power grabs.
I do NOT agree with adding this; IIRC the thread had this conversation a while back when Asuma first made the comment during the war.
Suggestions:
  • Tell Orochimaru everything we know about 3D sealing? Useful but spikes his personal power.
I know I am repeating things, but this is waaaay to telegraphed, to the point where I am uncertain what your point is.
Asuma teaches Ruri EM?
  • Attribute EM to Kumokogo/Enma for OPSEC?
Ahahahahah no. I do not want Asuma to teach anyone else EM.
Why isn't anyone else doing anything? Don't they know?
Isn't the point of AMITY to get them to do stuff? Like, right now it makes sense nobody outside of Leaf knows since they're too far removed from the problem.
Thank you for believing in us/mobilizing Leaf. We Jiraiya wear the Hat and have some understanding of the pressure/stresses. We want to live up to the trust and patience you've extended us.
..."We [blank] Jiraiya wear the Hat"...

Related, I can't put my finger on it but the last sentence "We want to live up to the trust & patience..." makes me feel nervous. Like "Insult Sarutobi Hiruzen" nervous.
Orochimaru:
  • Optimize w/Mari, Kei, Noburi.
    • Have Noburi handle Tsunade.
  • Send a letter clarifying scale (1:3? 1:1?) and requesting raw materials. Offer to excavate and transport (wood frame, rollers) existing model - faster, no need to involve Tsunade.
  • Request privacy during construction: he's terrifying. Must concentrate. Bring notes, sketches, references, use while shaping.
  • Pre/post, discuss his 3D sealing theories. Express (mutual) awe of 3D sealing. Discuss dragonslaying ideas/general approaches.
What IV said.
 
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