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Wicked. Is there any need for us to follow up with this or do you have a countdown timer running and we'll get the results once he's finished?
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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That second one.
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*is now imagining a small army of newly-minted Genin running at the enemy in waves with explosive seals*
*is now imagining what the Kurosawa clan could have accomplished without their motto*
Cariyaga
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You're thinking too small.
This makes civilian-usable seals a LOT bigger of a threat.
This being MfD, not only is the caged bird seal a thing, but it is a portal for a netherworldly being to slowly slurp positive emotion from the brain.
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Okay, but Kagome is so sweet. This makes me want to have a wholesome sealing chapter, where Kagome and Hazou geek out over Minato's sealwork.
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FTFY >:3
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CHECK HIS EARS
Because "caged bird" sounds better than "a stick lodged far up Neji's--
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The Hyuuga Clan: sexually liberated, socially stunted.
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ASSAILANTS: "Oh no... Do they have... A perfect defence technique? No one should be left standing after that combo! The Leaf is unbeatable!"
NEJI, ONLY STANDING UPRIGHT BECAUSE OF THE BROOMSTICK SUPPORTING HIS SPINE: "Fear the might of the Hyūga!" *slowly waddles in their general direction*
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You are hilarious
Your arguments and examples here really don't prove your point:
1. Learning by doing/fucking around in Java eclipse or something, doesn't necessitate there being any risks or penalties for failure, you don't have to do programming professionally to get better at it.
2. The only practical difference between performing in front of a audience and practicing in your room is whether or not you suffer from stage fright, whether or not people are looking at you has no bearing whatsoever on one's musical talents.
3. While it is true that drills alone are not enough to make you good at a sport, there is one thing that in combination with drills definitely is. That being practice matches, whose only practical difference between a real match is the lack of stakes involved.
Stakes and risks are not at all necessary to become good at a skill, you don't need to have been part of a deadly street brawl in order to get a black belt in Karate.
At most you could argue that stakes significantly speed up the learning process, but that does not mean that said learning process is all but impossible without them.
Like for instance, tests in education are exactly that TESTS meant to test whether or not you properly understand the curriculum, the only part they play in the actual learning process is in math tests where they technically double as math excercises.
A system that instead awards a bunch of bonus xp for live fire combat and other stakes heavy activity such as high level politics, would both be much more realistic, and far more likely to work as then the voters will seek out this activity at every turn, as opposed to only when the looming shadow of stagnacy xp penalties returns once more.
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What does "letting them do all the work" mean? Does Hazou have to land a hit? Kill something? Rolling well enough to survive when significantly outclassed in close quarters wasn't enough.
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Re: risks vs stakes and are stakes necessary:
1 - Risks make things difficult, stakes bring out your best regardless (so you're outcompeting yourself) - "doing your best" is a thing but there's no point to adding "do your best" to every plan
2 - Narratively, stakes are necessary. This makes us play within the paradigm and validate the world, which I think is good.
3 - For "doing our best" purposes it makes us look for challenges without going suicidal.
1 - Risks make things difficult, stakes bring out your best regardless (so you're outcompeting yourself) - "doing your best" is a thing but there's no point to adding "do your best" to every plan
2 - Narratively, stakes are necessary. This makes us play within the paradigm and validate the world, which I think is good.
3 - For "doing our best" purposes it makes us look for challenges without going suicidal.
what is the difference between risk and stakes?
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oh does stakes mean even if our stats 100% guarantee we win. as long as the thing we bet on the competition is high importance it works? if so we can fight a civilian and say if we lose they get to become clan head
edit3: oh we could bet that lose r in competition has to get voluntarily tortured (no permanent maiming) in T&I! bonus effect of giving TYS points
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oh does stakes mean even if our stats 100% guarantee we win. as long as the thing we bet on the competition is high importance it works? if so we can fight a civilian and say if we lose they get to become clan head
edit3: oh we could bet that lose r in competition has to get voluntarily tortured (no permanent maiming) in T&I! bonus effect of giving TYS points
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Generally speaking, tests in education serve the purpose of quantifying outcomes to make the educational process more legible to outside entities, and generally have, at best, a very loose connection to determining whether or not you understand the material.
From this perspective, tests would not have stakes, but a dissertation would.
I feel like that might be a bit uncharitable, but then again I suppose that as far as I know the US school system might very well be far worse then the dutch one so fair enough.
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I think it's going to be 'contribute nontrivially to the outcome'. We stayed out of trouble while Akane and Yuno took care of the Squirrel Folk. Had we Summoned a Dog and fought alongside them or personally done some punching, that would have counted.
Summoning a Dog and making a conscious decision to just Stay Out Of The Way while they take care of combat wouldn't count.
(IMO.)
I'd say Hazou meaningfully contributed by distracting one of the specjonin for a while until Yuno was free to gank him, and by defending himself, Akane, and Kei from a specjonin fire ninjutsu with MEW. There were multiple times this fight that Hazou almost died and barely held his own against stronger opponents. He didn't land any killing blows, but I kinda feel that that shouldn't be the cutoff?
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I agree that things are a little fuzzy.
My intuition here is that if we got in a fight alongside Jiraiya and we dodged a bunch of attacks and served as a distraction temporarily but ultimately we were just supporting Jiraiya, we wouldn't undo stagnancy. This is what happened here, or adjacent: we were support, not the main event.
Okay, but? Serving as a distraction for... a specjonin? As opposed to, like, a chakra-vole? I feel like distracting someone strong enough to plausibly hurt us should be enough to undo stagnancy, regardless of the wider context of the battle.
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There is no strict definition; we'll know it when we see it. There is a continuous spectrum of possibilities. Hazō wouldn't stop stagnating if he sent summons in from a distance Zoo Rush-style and never saw the fighting. He could make partial progress towards unstagnating if Hazō stuck around in the fight and tanked some hits, but didn't actively do anything himself. Hazō would be much more likely to stop stagnating if he were actively engaged in the fight, making attacks or doing maneuvers to support his (possibly summon) allies.
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I noted this on discord but may as well mention it here: on the one hand Hazou did defend with Taijutsu (including narratively) and was front-lining, but on the other hand you'd expect keeping your skills fresh to require more than a single, notably brief fight (only a single round). I suspect a couple more scraps will do it
I personally would like to avoid the idea that you need to be winning all your rolls to avoid stagnation (not saying that this is how its being ruled, just wanted to get the idea out there). You should be able to learn/refresh your skills through failing too (especially if you lose by slim margins) so even if Hazou is rolling Taijutsu or Athletics and being beaten, he's still honing his skills
I personally would like to avoid the idea that you need to be winning all your rolls to avoid stagnation (not saying that this is how its being ruled, just wanted to get the idea out there). You should be able to learn/refresh your skills through failing too (especially if you lose by slim margins) so even if Hazou is rolling Taijutsu or Athletics and being beaten, he's still honing his skills
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I feel like with combat (and i suppose politics if you're under pressure) specifically, the mentality part of it is such a big part of your performance in a way that doesn't really apply to something like programming. World's best crackshot is going underperform if he hasn't cultivated the proper mindset for the battlefield, which you can't really get outside of the real deal (or, I suppose in mfd, very specifically created genjutsu
)Like with this example, I would look at it the other way around. Street brawlers who are accustomed to real scraps and the fear of actual danger are going to be performing closer to their best than a guy who's never thrown a punch outside of a dojo getting mugged in the alley.
That's actually how the system works! You will still have an xp rate, it just decreases slightly over time if you don't get field experience often enough. This isn't a huge deal unless you are minmaxers like us who fret over the smallest decrease in xp income.
This exactly. Hazou almost died in that fight. If the female genin had targeted him with her last attack he would have died. IMO that should make the cutoff.
Is MEW not exactly this? Hazou used it to help block the AOE Fire ninjutsu.