We could have a SC drop us off randomly instead of Mari. At least it could monitor us if we wind up going astray.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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- He/Him
Our shadow clones barely last an hour, it would be nearly gone by the time it drops us off, and then when it pops, we'd remember where we are which kinda defeats the point. I also kind of feel like having a monitor stepping in if he goes the wrong way defeats the point.
Didn't think we'd be going too far or training longer than an hour.
Don't feel strongly about it as long as it's beneficial.
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- He/Him
I'm not entirely sure but I think training is done in 2 or 3 hour blocks? That's why shadow clone isn't adding to Hazou's XP yet
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
That interlude's not canon, I remember asking because that shift seemed to violate the wog of 'it was never called Hidden Mountain, it was founded before that naming scheme happened'. Just a funny way for EJ to express the retcon to us.
I really want to figure out how summons deal with fire and drought. As smart as they are, and with the abilities they have on...paw, I would have thought they could mitigate weather events. Climate would be out of the question but weather manipulation is something I'd think would be obtainable for 7th path denizens.
I really want to figure out what type of fauna or flora the dog clan consumes. Wonder how exotic it is.
I feel like we did good in hiring Gaku to delegate some of our responsibility to. Still hard to remember how young as a clan head he and the others are alongside the number of responsibilities placed on their shoulders.
Glad he gets to take a break.
Interesting that the dog clan doesn't have Sages. I guess there is less of a need when you consider that the clan seems to be content overall in comparison to the militaristic pangolin clan. Beyond us crafting tools to assist them in moving their young, they seem really low maintenance as far as summons come. It really sinks in when you consider the simple pleasures they enjoy.
Their society sounds similar to the hunter-gatherers of our world. Simple society, maybe age-grade systems, mostly egalitarian in terms of wealth. The obvious hierachy eastablished doesn't seem far off either. Or I'm overthinking it and I should look to more cooperative wolf packs.
Very cool that civilians used to travel around delivering messages out in the wilderness. They sound like real-world Samurai instead of their mfd chakra counterparts. The juices are flowing. Thinking of an omake.
Cannai immediately caught on to what we were doing. And reveals that the journals of the Sage are on the human path. I am suspicious that we are not the first new summoner to ask for something like this though. Possible that he might be trying to humble us or sending us on his version of a quest that concludes with a moral trophy instead of any tangibles.
Off. That was harsh. Didn't expect to get hit with that.
Hazo was just kidding right? I mean one of his most outstanding traits and skills is his ability to weaponize his deception and lies. He shouldn't be that naive to-- You know...this isn't quite like dealing with shades of gray, but more like interpretations of facts.
For the guy who has had trouble with opsec, blended in with his conception of CCnJ, I'd think that truest truths would be a different level of nuance than what he's actually used to experiencing or using.
Interesting for Hazo to learn this.
(Sweat Drop)
And once again, Jiraiya was correct when he said that we really do have a tendency to "weaponize" whatever we can get our hands on, don't we? I truly wonder if we'll be confronted by the dogs about this later on like how we were first chewed out for introducing Seals to Pangolins to do what they eventually did. Feel like we might be setting ourselves up for it.
I'm thinking those journals will turn out to be more philosophy-based rather than sources of ultimate power Hazo's thinking of. Still extremely valuable but Either way, his intentions must be pretty naked in front of the boss summon and I get the feeling there's a test somewhere that we are either beginning or have been participating in without our awareness.
Could be more than one test from Cannai.
Here's another thought to consider. Supposing the Journals are obtainable, are they too hot to handle? There should be resources and tools out there in mfd that no sane ninja would want to touch. And this would be one of them.
It sounds like something the Thinker clans might need to take us out over.
Hopefully, that's not the case.
If not, then I think it's already established Hazo is actually the main villain.
Relevant. Maybe.
- Location
- USA
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- He/Him
Interestingly, the Dogs call the left-side paws the "on" paws and the right-side paws the "off" paws. When they're counting off possibilities they count "on first, front first", so the full sequence goes: frontonpaw, frontoffpaw, hindonpaw, hindoffpaw. Humans have a far less expressive version in which they count "on the one hand...on the other hand", which doesn't even make sense, since it should be 'two hand' for the second one! (Weirdly, they don't count on their lower limbs, which drastically reduces their ability to consider multiple sides of something.) Just like humans often elide the "on the one hand" part, dogs often elide the "foreonpaw" part.
Yay! I look forward to it.
Eisenhelm
gran dutch of douchery
- Location
- Colombia
This is already know to all who read the Patchwork Realms.
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- Location
- Book Fort
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- They/Them
Yeah, this segment (now that we know that those might actually be the Sage's journals) makes me think that the Sage created chakra. How else would he know so much about how to use it in such a wide variety of ways? I suppose the Sage could be something between a ninja and something like Jashin, but reading those titles makes me think less of "I learned all of this, now let me pass that knowledge on" and more "I'm intimately familiar with all of these, as they are my creations."
I'm beginning to think that the Sage might've been someone like Hazou, morality-wise, and (after finding/growing into/creating the power to do so) created chakra to help humanity. I mean, Lord Hag is in his 40s after a lifetime career of being a combat-spec jonin, but he doesn't suffer from bad joints or arthritic fingers/carpal tunnel from the repeated motions that the handsigns from his ninjutsu would normally cause. So there's clearly some evidence of it hampering the ramifications of aging. And the Sage clearly allowed for ninjutsu to aid with mental health and neurodivergency. Then, while the Sage was resting in his post-magical-workout nap, humanity threw those instructions away (or hid them for themselves) and used it for punching.
I hope the Sage doesn't wake up to find his world gone astray, and then mount an expedition to "fix" it --no matter the cost. I mean, on one hand we could literally punch God. On the other hand, we'd have to strengthen Hazou up to where he could fight God.
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- The state of Paranoia
We're a JRPG now. Just accept Hazō's fate as the guy who'll one day commit deicide.
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
If the Sage isn't a good target, I suggest we go for Jashin.
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Side note, I had a thought. You know how civilians are considered to be lesser/less-human/have less-personhood than ninja --to the point where civilians aren't really counted in census/immigration? Well, judging by the guards' reaction when Hazou asked about that. Anyway, I digress.
I just realized that most ninja clans probably have "civilian" entrances as "civilian" hallways/rooms in the same way that slaver owners and the wealthy elite once had "slave/servant" entrances, exits, rooms, etc. If this is the case, then Hazou, being raised as a very poor clanless ninja and experiencing the level of destitution inherent in being a missing nin, probably didn't waste chakra/MEW on building such things --if he even thought about it at all, which I think is doubtful. So Hazou's entire estate could very likely be an accidental embodiment of the Uplift ideal. One that Mari likely noticed and felt the warm glow of amusement-tinged pride for her totally-not-son).
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One thing I think we should really look into doing is reconciling our friendship with Naruto, I even have a to do it aswell!
The whole batshit crazy Orchimaru jounin commander plan is what soured our relationship with Naruto, but there infact is one simple way to have Naruto forgive us for that.
The plan is simple, we tell him the truth.
The truth being here that at the time of making that plan Hazo had used his bloodline to look at the end of Keiko's pangolin summoning scroll and was thus made temporarily super insane, meaning that if Hazo had been in his right mind he would have NEVER come up with a plan so insane, absurd and above treasonous.
If we deliver this piece of information in just the right way (and with Mari's coaching we most certainly will) then Naruto will forgive Hazo's momentary lapse of judgement and sanity and treat the whole thing like how one would treat the crazy shit their friends and family do when either super drunk or stoned.
Incidentally @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail
If Hazo uses his bloodline to look at let's say 2 more summoner scrolls (in this case presumably the dog and toad scrolls) with Hazo ofcourse suffering the effects and consequences of having to spend several more months being stuck with that medium consequence that ''was totally what made Hazo all those crazy decisions, pinky swear'' would you guys then be open to the idea of the hivemind using more XP to upgrade Hazo's ''Summoning Scroll Acolyte'' stunt?
Presumably to something like ''Summoning Scroll Magus'' or ''Summoning Scroll Loremaster'' with it maybe adding 3 X TYS points to his sealing skill instead 2 X TYS points to his sealing skill.
Is this something the QM's would be open to, or do you guys have some reason to be opposed to upgrading stunts this way?
The whole batshit crazy Orchimaru jounin commander plan is what soured our relationship with Naruto, but there infact is one simple way to have Naruto forgive us for that.
The plan is simple, we tell him the truth.
The truth being here that at the time of making that plan Hazo had used his bloodline to look at the end of Keiko's pangolin summoning scroll and was thus made temporarily super insane, meaning that if Hazo had been in his right mind he would have NEVER come up with a plan so insane, absurd and above treasonous.
If we deliver this piece of information in just the right way (and with Mari's coaching we most certainly will) then Naruto will forgive Hazo's momentary lapse of judgement and sanity and treat the whole thing like how one would treat the crazy shit their friends and family do when either super drunk or stoned.
Incidentally @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail
If Hazo uses his bloodline to look at let's say 2 more summoner scrolls (in this case presumably the dog and toad scrolls) with Hazo ofcourse suffering the effects and consequences of having to spend several more months being stuck with that medium consequence that ''was totally what made Hazo all those crazy decisions, pinky swear'' would you guys then be open to the idea of the hivemind using more XP to upgrade Hazo's ''Summoning Scroll Acolyte'' stunt?
Presumably to something like ''Summoning Scroll Magus'' or ''Summoning Scroll Loremaster'' with it maybe adding 3 X TYS points to his sealing skill instead 2 X TYS points to his sealing skill.
Is this something the QM's would be open to, or do you guys have some reason to be opposed to upgrading stunts this way?
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- He/Him
Pretty sure the consequences will be much more dire the next time Hazou does something like that. He's still not fully recovered from last time, and with his psyche being weakened, he could just die or become a full out-monster if he looks at a scroll again. Maybe once his resolve is maxed we can do it
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
IIRC, the QMs have said that if Hazou looks at another summoning scroll, he dies.
Unaligned Player
Agony that desires to meet Extinction
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- Adrift between sanity and madness
- Pronouns
- Shrug
Actually the QMs said that Hazou would respond to the command with a "Fuck the hell no".
Okay, I've tried to hold my tongue to avoid spoiling things for everybody, but I just can't anymore. Clearly, the Sage is the ship's supercomputer from the original terraforming mission currently contained within the Hokage monument and desperately attempting to prevent the stupid humans from being wiped out by the occasional wreckage-fall of the ship. Expect mind-worms and Kagome "I-told-you-so"s.
It might be wise to keep in mind that the poem was addressed to the summons and interpret it in that context.
Actually, it's been established that there is esoterica behind summoning which Hazou would understand once learning the basics, including why having more than one contract is a fundamental contradiction. I have my theories, but it would be nice for them to be made explicit.
It might be wise to keep in mind that the poem was addressed to the summons and interpret it in that context.
Actually, it's been established that there is esoterica behind summoning which Hazou would understand once learning the basics, including why having more than one contract is a fundamental contradiction. I have my theories, but it would be nice for them to be made explicit.
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- UK
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- He/Him
In our defence, chakra being nanotechnology is a very effective explanation for why ninjutsu behaves like people think it should rather than like physics thinks it should.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
I am hopeful that we will be able to exploit this + Sealing + Technique Hacking in the future.
Classics of the Early-Mid Warring Era: Correspondences and analysis of Pre-Academy Instruction
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Masanori respectfully [formal] says:
I venture to give thanks for your Greetings and instruction, cousin. I have received the [omittied] messenger from [omitted] in a good state.
He is an interesting fellow, and father says he is learned in many talents and studied for a man who lacks the grace of the Sage. I am not ignorant that he is surely prized for his conduct and I would have sought him out to answer a sudden curiosity of mine on the brief occasion when he did not require rest before he left once more to deliver another correspondence. I thought better of it and decided it was not to be; he was better left to his respite before his travels.
Perhaps you may indulge my questions, then?
As you know, the correct practice of the body arts [taijutsu] has long been a concern for me, and the potential flaws in my instruction to the young ones with regards to the events I am following up [omitted]. They are delicate and well-molded in my care because I have taken it to heart to not deviate from that which is established [shinden] and of the initial ways [shoden]. Truly, I am humbled in my heart enough to emphasize they learn of the Conducts before I let them think themselves the wiser.
Unfortunately, it is the more physical lessons that challenge me in such a rush.
If we look to the messenger, a man of meager beginnings, as capable enough to traverse the wilds in this Evil era, then he is competent when defending himself in the most perilous instances. Surely he is adept in sensing the void [clear perception] and the interval [timing] with his humble means?
With regards to those in my care, If a better opportunity had presented itself, I would have teased out how he braves his travels when such a thing should be difficult- his gross senses cannot compare.
My own instruction on that up to this point has ventured into preventing afflictions [injuries] and making them enemy blade their own before they are felled. They do not fully grasp the technique of using a hairsbreadth just yet. At present, half of the young ones hesitate during the bouts [sparring]. Some are prone to freezing when defending against repeated strikes without thoughts of counters while others have great difficulty maintaining proper form and breathing under pressure. I have also found myself undecided as to how to break them out of getting caught in the enemy's momentum or trapping their mind in the fist of the enemy. I am loathed to part with them when they must take up the minor duties soon in [omitted].
Do you see my troubles?
Is this the folly of youth?
I am trying to instruct them good study and tactics so that they know the void [clarity] when in danger, that the mind must not stop, that it must keep moving and that the foe is to be caught in their momentum instead. Learning to take advantage of intervals [timing] may be all that I can leave them with before the ends. May the wisdom of the Sage guide them to clarity.
At the very least, I have no doubts that they are learned in the 5 great crimes and the exceptions of using the 10 transgressions [1]. Each of them has shown me they rebuke Blasphemy against the Sage, the killing of parents, the destruction of temples and monks, the worship of Evil Gods [2], and reveling in the practice of great and minor transgressions. None are swayed to falling into a demon-state[possession and [Evildoing]
I have no worry that they will neither fall prey to associating with those who elevate the household Gods[minor Kami] as equals to the Sage or entertaining falsehoods of Gods given the Wise one council as if they stood above him in Heavens he could not reach. Not one of them who present themselves to me has any kinship, alliance, or friendship with the nearby ignorant ruffian bands [3] that believe in such either. This is good, rightfully so.
You say my heart is soft and that I should be content that all are firm in the postures and breathing forms. I hear your words, but as a brother of the house, I hope the Gods grant favor to them beyond mere survival. To be whole and hearty is a blessing in these times.
They are proper strategists and masters [4] in the making, but their bodies are untempered. To venture outside the confines of the house would cause an imbalance in their growth, and while the chaos in [omitted] makes their presence needed, general instruction [omote] would be a boon to them and unto you.
I propose a provocative solution and favor to you.
My concerns would be relieved if there was a scroll or two that could be left behind by a trusted member of the house up in [omitted]. No secret instructions [okuden] are to be shared among them, just the general instructions [omote]. I would be in your debt and hopeful that this slight against that which must be held in the household will be shown favor by the Gods.
If they can begin with the characters [kuji] upon your return, I swear by the Sage that I will shower you with all the praise you can withstand. Please ponder over this with care. May the Sage watch over you and the Gods be pleased.
Humbly and respectfully submitted,
Masanori [5]
5th day, 3rd month, second Year of tribulations
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Notes: This is another letter from the early to mid warring states period. I took a lot of inspiration from Heian era letters, The Book of Five Rings, the Unfettered Mind and Jstor articles.
[1] Ripped this from the buddhism. Sue me.
[2] Evil Gods. I'm thinking that Jashin cults would be weird composite gods, originating from crazies, or some clan Kami that got bastardized or corrupted into what it is in the modern era. Plus jutsu craziness.
[3] Enemy Clans
[4] Unclear division or confusing links and networks between Shinobi, Samurai, Monks, Warriors in the Warring era. All capable of molding Chakra and prone to nomadism and Semi-nomadism. Terms for Shinobi depending on location, affiliations, or deeds would probably differ.
[5] No seal or last name. Paranoia and safety demands it during the Warring era.
Hope you all like it. Enjoy.
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Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
It was really nice!
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- Omniverse #1345
Shadow Clone training is public.
What is secret is how it can be exponentially abused by taking advantage of chakra transfer.