I was under the impression that the element mastery notes were among the things submitted to the contest, so that everyone could use them. How much does it cost to learn a new element normally, anyways?
 
I was under the impression that the element mastery notes were among the things submitted to the contest, so that everyone could use them. How much does it cost to learn a new element normally, anyways?
Well, the rules doc just says... So maybe the narrative is similar to becoming a Summoner, or learning the SC technique in that it takes a lot of training under someone who already has that elemental type? Although I suspect that Jiraiya's notes would suffice as a substitute. So spend a lot of time and effort (represented by the xp cost) to learn a new elemental type from someone who already has it (or go self-study via Jiraiya's notes).

Elemental Chakra Affinity
XP Cost: 1,000

Grants an affinity for a particular element and the ability to use ninjutsu of that element. Can be bought multiple times, once for each element. (Fire, Water, Earth, Air, Lightning)

Every ninja starts with one element for free.
 
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Seems like it's not very cost effective to divert XP to new elements even at our level (even if we weren't about to dump everything into FOOM)
I mean, we're getting a lot of mileage out of MEW and I'm sure we could be equally as creative with the other techniques that Hazou currently knows. Better to have a complete mastery of five techniques that are creatively used than a vague knowledge of 100 techniques that are poorly utilized.

RESEARCH, PROJECTS, MINUTIA
Just remembered that since fantasy-morphine is about to become a regular thing, it'll be a few years before Leaf's hospital knows when it's proper to use it and when something more mild (willow bark, for example) would work. So we're about to have ninja who are addicted to morphine. There was some talk about working with the Yamanaka to help prevent/mitigate this by setting up programs for addicts. Thinking about it, there might be a medic nin that we can consult with as well --it might be too "basic" for someone as advanced as Tsunade or Kabuto to work on.
 
I mean, we're getting a lot of mileage out of MEW and I'm sure we could be equally as creative with the other techniques that Hazou currently knows. Better to have a complete mastery of five techniques that are creatively used than a vague knowledge of 100 techniques that are poorly utilized.

Pfft, whatever, I play the cantrip god all the time in dnd :y
 
Just remembered that since fantasy-morphine is about to become a regular thing, it'll be a few years before Leaf's hospital knows when it's proper to use it and when something more mild (willow bark, for example) would work. So we're about to have ninja who are addicted to morphine. There was some talk about working with the Yamanaka to help prevent/mitigate this by setting up programs for addicts. Thinking about it, there might be a medic nin that we can consult with as well --it might be too "basic" for someone as advanced as Tsunade or Kabuto to work on.
Genuine need for painkillers resulting in seeking painkillers is often parsed as addiction IRL. Let's hope we can avoid that here.
 
Genuine need for painkillers resulting in seeking painkillers is often parsed as addiction IRL. Let's hope we can avoid that here.
I mean ninja who are in chronic pain without mental health services probably should get pain killers pretty easily.

edit: we would probably be better off making sure ninjas don't overdose
 
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I mean ninja who are in chronic pain without mental health services probably should get pain killers pretty easily.

edit: we would probably be better off making sure ninjas don't overdose

I think medic-nin would likely be able to prescribe the correct amounts, it's up to the ninja to follow them. Unless we find some other way to distribute only a little bit at a time?
 
Sure, Orochimaru might not like us doing necromancy without him. On the other hand, he also might not like us coming to him with nothing to add to the project and expecting him to just let us in because we have a few ideas.

I think a better option is to make an achievement ourselves, then use that to show Orochimaru that we can be useful beyond being a body to dissect.
I understand the impulse, but we won't come to him with achievements, because this is beyond Hazou's level.

Hazou's value here is in terms of throwing Clan Head Resources at the problem, convincing other higher level researchers to join the project, convincing other clan heads to assist, and acquiring research from outside-Leaf sources (either stealing or trading-with-Asuma's-permission).

Also, being able to point out where the afterlife rift was, for scanning.

Reminder that Hazou has literally been to hell and back. He conducted a true resurrection and knows the precise conditions which made it possible. On top of that, he is a proven researcher and in their very first meeting he demonstrated that he shares Orochimaru's relatively idiosyncratic attitude towards death.


To put things plainly, this is all speculation. Some of it more likely than other, but all far from confirmed. Shall I remind you how our last attempt at modelling Oro as a purely rational agent went?

Look, I get the benefits, and I do think Oro can be dealt with productively. But he is very scary. Not because he's powerful and seemingly amoral, but precisely because our model of him is incomplete in ways that can hurt us severely. We know Jiraiya never gave up on Oro, and ended up bringing him back into the fold, which coloured our impression of him for a while. We also know about the skinfarm, about the potential futures Hazou saw, and how Oro treated us when reclaiming his house. There's a contradiction of sorts in there, and until it's resolved I'm not comfortable predicting his behaviour.

The reason his unpredictability is doubly scary is that he's disconnected from society and therefore lacking in boundaries. Ami, for all her unpredictability, is bound to Keiko, which heavily limits her freedom. Mori Ryuugamine, another really powerful and unpredictable person, may be scary, but he's also bound by his social context, and we can be fairly confident that he won't, for example, murder Hazou during a casual meeting. I don't know what Orochimaru is bound by, and I have a suspicion that it's not much.

The main argument against working with him, though, is that he scares the fuck out of our family, and they reacted very poorly to the idea of working with him last time we brought it up. That is the deal breaker for me; our clan is way more valuable to us than any collaboration with Oro, so if that's a choice, it's a really easy one.

With all that said, I can vote in favour of doing some preliminary research on Oro himself. Knowing more is unlikely to hurt us.

Orochimaru is the single most predictable character in the entire setting. He is an emotionless rationalization engine in pursuit of all ninjutsu knowledge for which immortality is an instrumental prerequisite. Does thing further his goals, Y/N?
 
You know, one of the issues with sealing is that it has to be done on quality-enough paper, and the ink, once set to paper, cannot be disturbed --or the seal will be ruined, with the chance of causing a sealing failure. And one of the reasons that fuuinjutsu-tattoos aren't a thing seems to be (in part, anyway) because the human body sheds enough skin that the ink would fade or become distorted, given enough time. And that would ruin the ink, causing the fuuinjutsu script to fail and risk a sealing failure.

But what if the tattoo was set in something that didn't shed very much? Like heart tissue, for example? I mean, the main issue there would be tattooing a heart and keeping the subject alive, but still.

edit: we would probably be better off making sure ninjas don't overdose

I mean, the clan that originally donated them probably has data about safe dosages. And even if that data is only moderately useful, I give Tsunade enough credit that she (and her more advanced medical staff) would probably figure out the nuances about the dosages fairly quickly.

He conducted a true resurrection and knows the precise conditions which made it possible.

I'm not trying to be contrarian, but the "precise conditions" involved was a portal that was caused by a sealing failure, something that's inherently unpredictable by the very nature of the magic system. And "true resurrection" was little more than walking through the aforementioned portal, grabbing the guy, and walking out. It's not like Hazou masterminded a Fullmetal Alchemist-style formula that lets him bring people back from the dead. Hazou stumbled into a rip through the fabric of reality (arguably with the assistance of a god) and walked out.

(Edit: I just feel like your statement gives Hazou a bit too much credit in that situation.)

He is an emotionless rationalization engine in pursuit of all ninjutsu knowledge for which immortality is an instrumental prerequisite.

Again, I want to insist that I'm honestly not trying to be contrarian. I just want to point out that we've only met with Orochimaru twice and that this conclusion seems to be more rooted in Orochimaru's "canon" characterization, and that Naruto's canon has only ever had a vague, tenuous connection to MfD. After all, the only thing that we know for certain that MfD-Orochimaru is an amoral researcher who's strong enough to survive the BotG.

For example, we suspect that Orochimaru has an emotional attachment to his teammates and to Leaf since he answered Jiraiya's plea, but Orochimaru could've had other, equally likely, reasons for coming back. Maybe the Leaf has resources that would be troublesome for Orochimaru to acquire on his own. Maybe the Leaf is more central of a location for Orochimaru's various potential-organizations-that-we're-not-sure-even-exist. Or maybe Orochimaru has experiments in his basement that need a more personal eye, and this was a convenient way to return without pointless struggle.

Point being, we don't actually know all that much about MfD's iteration of Orochimaru, and I think it's a dangerous assumption to think that we can predict his in-quest behavior, based upon his canon iteration. We made that mistake about Naruto, and now we're all but eternally blacklisted from Naruto's favor.
 
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Reminder that Hazou has literally been to hell and back. He conducted a true resurrection and knows the precise conditions which made it possible. On top of that, he is a proven researcher and in their very first meeting he demonstrated that he shares Orochimaru's relatively idiosyncratic attitude towards death.

agree

Orochimaru is the single most predictable character in the entire setting. He is an emotionless rationalization engine in pursuit of all ninjutsu knowledge for which immortality is an instrumental prerequisite. Does thing further his goals, Y/N?

disagree

Seriously why does everyone, supportive of talking to him or not, assume we know the entirety of his inner machinations? That is such a weirdly bold assertion to make for such a dangerous and cunning character. We wouldn't be making these assertions for a character like Ami or Asuma.
 
I think those notes were among the things that Jiraiya left for Naruto (operating under the assumption that Hazou and Naruto would be best pals and share knowledge freely). I remember that we very briefly discussed the idea of copying Jiraiya's notes and the bijuu seal with the Iron Nerve, so that we'd have the info engraved in Hazou's mind, but I think we just ended up just giving Naruto his inheritance in good faith. So unless Mari pulled a sneaky and transcribed a copy and hid it somewhere (completely possible), I don't think we have it.

Or maybe we do have it, tucked away somewhere, and I've simply forgotten. Should we summon the loremaster? Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu @faflec R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.

The thing to remember is that the person decrypting the notes is Kagome Fucking Yuu. No matter what orders have been issued nor what precautions have been taken there absolutely are copies of absolutely everything.
 
The thing to remember is that the person decrypting the notes is Kagome Fucking Yuu. No matter what orders have been issued nor what precautions have been taken there absolutely are copies of absolutely everything.
...True, even if it's only in his frighteningly-sharp memory. Huh. We might have incidental, unintentional copies of some important information... Hm. Well, I'm sure we'll be fine.
 
But what if the tattoo was set in something that didn't shed very much? Like heart tissue, for example? I mean, the main issue there would be tattooing a heart and keeping the subject alive, but still.
I'm thinking bones, actually. Those things take years to replace their cells, and it'd be relatively easy to work with them as compared to something squishy like heart tissue.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Velorien on Sep 9, 2020 at 7:38 AM, finished with 145 posts and 20 votes.
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Huh. Looks like my plan was a strong contender.

I guess we wont know how that would've gone. RIP.
 
To clarify, is the coat a gift for Noburi?
Yeah, Hazou commissioned a megalodon hunt so Noburi would have a jacket made from its leather. One of the older action plans (when we were talking about just off screen-ing the birthday) had Noburi wearing the jacket to the mine, if it provided stat boosts. But it didn't, so that part was erased
 
Yeah, Hazou commissioned a megalodon hunt so Noburi would have a jacket made from its leather. One of the older action plans (when we were talking about just off screen-ing the birthday) had Noburi wearing the jacket to the mine, if it provided stat boosts. But it didn't, so that part was erased

Was changed to shark skin, since hiring Ninja to hunt apex Chakra beasts when personnel is low just to make a coat wouldn't fly.
 
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