Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
It will be in a couple months!
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Not really, since we still have to deal with the fact that Shikamaru might feel he has to kill us at that point. Also, there are so many things that are likely to go wrong, like them knowing it's not Shikaku who wrote the letter because of something the Nara do to ensure their communications can't be tampered with without them being able to tell. No one believing Yuno is Tenten's sister and this generally looking like another stupid plan Hazo has come up with, which might not be the end of the world since I don't think Keiko and Shikamaru would talk about what the Five actually are in an unsecure location, though it's possible that they might reveal more about why they need to keep it so secret. I just can't see this working in this quest that is mostly simulationist story, the more narrative driven aspect of the quest isn't nearly enough to make this that plausible. Now, I'd be fine with a situation in which we might be able to get Keiko or Shikamaru to accidentally reveal a little bit about why it's secret without needing to lie so much to try to create the situation we want, but I just don't think this is something feasible to try unless Hazo somehow got Ami level social stats, though it is a fun idea.
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Yes..? I'm sorry, but I never know which step of the reasoning I'm starting from each time. Mistress "truth over the well" killed every part of herself unnecessary for the mission and threw the pieces down the well when Hazou ordered herself to get functional at any cost while she was at her most vulnerable. It's both her strength and her weakness as embodied by her personal, rule-breaking forbidden sacrificial genjutsu. Missing-nin Mari is dead and gone. We are confronted by the situationally convenient shreds worth preserving for the mission she was issued.
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Noumero
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I mean, yes? The way it's framed now, it's a plan Hazou invented IC as a joke for Mari. If she decides to force it into reality, which Hazou totally doesn't expect to actually happen, and which will happen only if Velorien really likes the idea and decides to write it, she'll presumably streamline it to whatever extent is necessary to make it work by simulationism rules.
This meta-narrative structure is absolutely ingenious, I'm so proud of it.
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I am beginning to suspect they I should be aware what is occurring...
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
That's unnecessary, just trust the Noumero.
What's the worst that could happen?
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
You know, Kagome said you can't really apply seals to cloth because of the threads that make the cloth --they'd move/fray and disrupt the seal, causing Very Bad Things. But I wonder if seals could be applied to metal weapons? They wouldn't have the Thread Issue... or maybe it'd have to be a chakra weapon, since chakra would need to be channeled into the weapon itself --the same way that not all paper is seal-quality paper?
Imagine a kunai/senbon with a sealing tag inked/carved into it. Kill someone and "poof" their body goes into the weapon. Delayed cleanup allowing for video game-esque stealth missions (i.e. no guards get called if there's no one alive to call the guards)
Imagine a kunai/senbon with a sealing tag inked/carved into it. Kill someone and "poof" their body goes into the weapon. Delayed cleanup allowing for video game-esque stealth missions (i.e. no guards get called if there's no one alive to call the guards)
Oh no... I've become the anchor of reason... Sage help us all...
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
The importance of seal-quality paper is that it's high-quality and thus consistent and smooth and all the other little things that mean you can trust it to not get in the way of your chakra-assembly-language-compiling. When it comes to problems with seals embedded in metal, it's the chakra ink that becomes a problem.
Chakra ink is created from a small ritual infusing a quantity of ink with chakra. Chakra ink is the key component of sealing and, as far as we know, sealing does not work without chakra ink (I think biosealing is essentially tattoo-seals using chakra ink). What you can turn into chakra ink varies, but apparently does not stretch far enough to include invisible ink
. Interestingly, you can seal chakra ink just fine, despite it containing chakra, which is why we can store seal blanks when we can't store infused seals.If you wanted to make a seal on metal, you would likely have to either find some way to get chakra ink on the metal or find some replacement for chakra ink that better fits the material. The former approach would be complicated by the fact that ink doesn't get along with metal like it gets along with paper, and the latter option is a big mystery jar that I can't comment much about other than something something chakra metal might be important.
Regardless of how you did it, though, it's likely you would be operating under a completely different sealing paradigm, where much of the old theory doesn't translate over. We've heard some inklings about this for biosealing but it's been most directly stated wrt our sealing printing press idea. Starting a new sealing paradigm takes an extraordinary amount of effort to merely develop the basics, which is probably why the only developed paradigms we know of are ink-on-paper (the standby) and biosealing (the funky one), and things like seal-kunai are essentially unheard of.
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Good point. Hm... maybe once we learn about biosealing, we'll be able to learn more about sealing itself, and develop a new paradigm derived from that information. I want Hazou to get his seal-kunai, damn it!
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
My instinct is to say that it requires a certain quality of ink and then the ritual does something vague to it... maybe it uses the infuser's chakra to establish a metaphysical link to the Out, thus allowing for chakra fuckery? I don't really know, since the MfD universe is a soft magic system and those kinda defies explanation after a certain point --I mean, the QMs said that lunar phases can influence chakra cost and Jiraiya seemed to imply that the flatness of a sealroom's floor had an impact on the resulting sealwork.
I wonder if the ink would boil away or evaporate before properly "staining" the metal... Maybe it could be shaped into the chakra metal as it was being forged into a sword?
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*Sigh*
I'll put some thought into it. Probably related to something along the lines of reduction-infused (ammonia, urea?) clay converting ferric into ferrous compounds with strong surface binding. Boride or sulfur salts might be involved.
I was betting on cation involvement, but they apparently focus on carbon ink. It seems as if there might be something more metaphorical work? Something to investigate. Do chakra-inks made from inorganic sources still work?
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- Location
- Kiev, Ukraine
... I just need to stop posting at 3 am.
Likewise other way around, telescope-wise. The best place would be on the Sand/Fire border, but with all ninja bs going on around I'd say they settle wherever they can, where the safety index is a positive float.
Anyways, right now all these plans are like 'timeskip to when we acquire Kraken Scroll' but with telescope manufacturers. To succeed we first need to track them down.
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Maybe we should just post a mission for Leaf's trackers? There are like 4 major Clans, that can be of use and, probably, a lot more we don't know anything about.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I originally pulled this quote with the intention of saying "you might want to change that to 'bundle of sticks', but then I saw that you were deliberately tempting the mods to ban you. Good luck with that? I'm not sure what that would mean in this case... May things work out as you desire. There we go.
Incidentally, the rules for chakra ink have been worked out and are not merely "not invisible ink". There is enough information available to at least theorize.
Noumero
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It has been.
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[X] action plan: leafs falling slowly to the ground
Bad OPSEC discipline, I think. To quote Keiko, it lands precisely in the sweet spot between "hinting at the existence of secret techniques instead of keeping them secret" and "not sharing important information with allies but letting them know that you were not sharing".
Instead, how about this?:
- Firmly state that if she comes up with novel applications of Gouketsu techniques or seals, she should inform him first.
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- Location
- Yes.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Interesting.
I wonder if chakra ink made from the sealmaster's own blood amplifies anything.
Something something summoning scrolls something something "Need blood" said the Panda something something well hes an unreliable moron blah blah forbidden knowledge blah
- Location
- The Void
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Good idea implemented
[x] Action Plan: The Warlock of the Romcom Gods
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
We're already working on that.