Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
The suggestion was meant to replace the research line, since research are in reality done by civilians rather than Hazo. If we don't have any ideas, we probably contribute nothing.
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Hm. Yeah, that makes sense. Do you want me to remove the research line and just use your suggestion?
Sure.
Edit: Also a good idea to link to Inferno Vulpix's Clear Research no Jutsu.
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That's the thing, yeah, but it already got into the previous plan and EJ had a line on it in the end-notes of the last chapter. I figure repeating ourselves won't do much good.
Ami Stye Training isn't going to work without actively being curated. We kept getting 0 XP. Below, I removed the first bullet since we already did that earned 0 XP.
- Spar with Lee while upside down on the ceiling/on a tree/underwater/running.
- Spar with Lee in an open training field with 20-30 logs, placed upright. Ground is lava: move between the logs only.
- Vary strategies: chakra-adhering to a single log; destroying logs; jumping between sides of logs...
- Create a civilian fanclub for a randomly selected ninja.
- Get five people to owe you favours without spending significant resources.
- Hold a ten minute conversation with Anko without displaying any outward signs of loss of composure.
- Try to move back and forth a long hallway by chakra adhering your head to the ceiling and shifting your weight.
- Play an instrument by using chakra adhesion to pluck the strings.
- Cross the city via sequential stalking. You can only change targets when your current target interacts with the potential new target.
- Have a spar where your opponent is allowed to call out one limb you can't use, which they can swap at will.
- Convince someone that you are Rock Lee.
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I am highly certain that 5 will get us killboxed for giving the appearance of Leaf intelligence for unknown purposes (why are you making information of major Leaf infrastructure/roads??). I'd recommend it be removed. (I think it could be salavageable, but don't know if we have the time to do so. I'm certainly drawing a blank on it)
Beyond that? I think we're good. 1 gave me the heebie-jeebies before I thought it through; I don't think it's an issue as long as Hazou doesn't do anything illegal or goes after halfway-competent social specs (dunno if he will or not), and 2 could be an issue if it's the wrong sort of ninja...Meh. I don't imagine them to go catastrophically wrong, but I could see ways that they could go wrong if we flub our lucky die.
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What if we do it in a secure location?
Eh, nevermind, swapped it for "have a spar where your opponent is allowed to call out one limb you can't use, which they can swap at will".
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- 1 could be a "minor" favor, such as lunch or coffee or something
- 2 could be "derail keiko's fanclub without them knowing"
- 5 could be "create a deliberately, completely, 100% wrong map of Konoha with absolutely no true information, not even the location of trees and with the vitally important buildings exempt completely" That level of wrong-ness would be safe info-sec wise and a challenging mental exercise
I would save this for if Mari ever gets bored of her retirement, or expresses dissatisfaction with her retirement. Bringing this up now, while Mari's vulnerable --while she's still considering who she is and who she wants to be --might be too heavy handed. Personally, I think Mari deserves her retirement and this comes across as Hazou trying to "subtly" tempt her out of her retirement. Besides, Mari already feels immense, crushing guilt over twisting other people to her will. How will Mari feel when she literally creates a sophont slave whose only purpose is to do her will and then die?
I'm convinced that part of the reason Asuma taught this to Hazou at all is because Asuma knows that he'd understand the gravity of what the SC does. That Hazou would grasp the sacrifice and horror that happens, and neither misuse it nor disrespect it. Like when Ed and Al use the Philosopher's Stone in FMA. They're grim because they know the cost. And in this case, the cost might break Mari.
I'd save "Consider Teaching Mari the SC" for if she first ever, unprompted, expresses interest in learning it. And even then, only once she knows what the SC technique fully entails. Mari knows Hazou has it. Mari knows Hazou would be willing to teach it to her if she showed even the most idle of desires to learn it. Let's respect her agency enough to not force this on her, or force her out of a comfortable retirement that she so desperately wants.
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1. "Too Lazy to Stand": Hazou must go through an entire day either sitting or lying down.
1a. "Too Lazy to Crawl": As above, except that he is also not allowed to move under his own power except by rolling.
2. "Nothing to See Here": Hazou must do creative training in public, without anyone noticing that he is doing anything unusual.
3. "Literal Uplift": Hazou must end each movement no lower than he began it. For example, he cannot go down stairs, nor can he jump to a roof lower than one he is currently on.
4. "Farewell to Arms": Hazou may not use any part of either arm below the elbow for the entire day, except to cast techniques for directly training- or Uplift-related purposes.
4a. "Monopod": As above, except that he also may only use one leg.
5. "House Arrest": Hazou may not be recognized outside the Goketsu estate, except when acting on Asuma's orders. He also may not eat or drink except in Konoha proper.
5a. "Weekend at Hazou's": As above, except that no visitor may realize that Hazou is absent. (Requires clan cooperation.)
6. "Cat-Like Tread": Hazou must continuously make noise (speaking, playing instrument, etc), and not be seen by anyone.
7. "Find the Mole": Identify the ANBU who visited the cafeteria, both with mask on and mask off.
8. "Live to Serve": Each time he has a conversation with someone, Hazou must get and carry out a single minor request.
1a. "Too Lazy to Crawl": As above, except that he is also not allowed to move under his own power except by rolling.
2. "Nothing to See Here": Hazou must do creative training in public, without anyone noticing that he is doing anything unusual.
3. "Literal Uplift": Hazou must end each movement no lower than he began it. For example, he cannot go down stairs, nor can he jump to a roof lower than one he is currently on.
4. "Farewell to Arms": Hazou may not use any part of either arm below the elbow for the entire day, except to cast techniques for directly training- or Uplift-related purposes.
4a. "Monopod": As above, except that he also may only use one leg.
5. "House Arrest": Hazou may not be recognized outside the Goketsu estate, except when acting on Asuma's orders. He also may not eat or drink except in Konoha proper.
5a. "Weekend at Hazou's": As above, except that no visitor may realize that Hazou is absent. (Requires clan cooperation.)
6. "Cat-Like Tread": Hazou must continuously make noise (speaking, playing instrument, etc), and not be seen by anyone.
7. "Find the Mole": Identify the ANBU who visited the cafeteria, both with mask on and mask off.
8. "Live to Serve": Each time he has a conversation with someone, Hazou must get and carry out a single minor request.
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But was she ever truly retired? Factually, not technically.
After we were repatriated, there was barely any time before Hiruzen got killed and she was forced to start playing politics to support Jiraiya's reign. After Hana broke her, she spent some time off, which then culminated in her missing the call to go for the Nagi Island, which led to her blaming herself for Jiraiya's death. After that, she had to campaign against Hiashi. After that, she had to stay active to protect our interests against a hostile Hokage. Now, she is the only jounin and the only social specialist in the clan of former missing-nin, in a greatly weakened Leaf probably on the cusp of another war. Her "retirement" became fiction the moment Jiraiya died, and it will stay a fiction until we ride the SC feedback loop to S-rank.
Which will take longer than her reaching Technique Hacking 100. Which is likely to help her mental state instead of worsen it, and which will ensure she won't be sent on any combat/infiltration missions since she'd be too valuable at home.
Hmm, that's a valid point. Though I don't think it'd be quite that bad, since the clone would be her and I would argue that re-integration of a fork is not actually death. (Besides, Keiko is also not the stablest of individuals, yet she learned SC and it all went fine. How bad can it be?)
Hazou would be willing to teach it to her, sure, but he can't do that without Asuma's permission unless we're willing to commit treason (which we're not simply willing but desperately eager to do, of course, but that might not be as obvious IC), and getting that is much less trivial. I think mentioning that we'd be interested in getting SC for the entire clan makes sense, and if we're doing that, then specifically excluding her would be even worse.
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Cariyaga
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On the one hand, fair point.
On the other hand, do you think that Mari would not enjoy being able to kill herself repeatedly and still serve the Goketsu interest?
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[X] Action Plan: Lightcone Prevention
