Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Will that end up working? It calls into question how he'd handle double-submissions, I think.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Will that end up working? It calls into question how he'd handle double-submissions, I think.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
Well, we could also do it with clans that don't intend to participate here (because they won't want to give up enough for the prize), and just cash in the 2.5x value ourselves. Less benefit but lower risk.
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Would the clans even be willing to do that? I mean, they're kinda suspicious by default and even the idea of "wanna sell secrets for a fuckton of cash" is kinda worrying. A lot of them might decline simply because it seems suspicious, even if they can't discern a trap. And the clans small/minor enough to not really care about the contest --due to a realistic expectation that they wouldn't win --would also likely be the ones to be the most paranoid about the few secrets that they have. The smaller clans will likely jealously guard the few aces that they've managed to squirrel away...
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Steam engine took a lot of engineering to make useful IIRC. We don't even have precision engineering.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Is this true? I thought it couldn't directly heat or chill water?
- Location
- Yes.
Rulesdoc only says that "The insides of objects and creatures are not affected directly.", and well....
I mean, it's kinda weird to call Akane an "icemaker" if she can't actually make ice with her jutsu.
- Location
- UK
I know it wasn't super popular last time, but given the political situation, have people shifted their opinion on how plausible scroll-assisted trading would be? It's a small time investment for extremely large economic rewards and a large strengthening of select alliances, and it would be one of the most Uplift things we could do.
I continue to think it's obviously one of the highest value things we could do right now.
I continue to think it's obviously one of the highest value things we could do right now.
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- Why would this be required?
I just ran through the calcs with faflec on discord, and we can perhaps get EM nukes functional within two months.
Assuming a generous 4 XP/day and taking Akane's current XP, we can reach about EM 32 in two months, which is a temperature delta of 160 degrees C. We need to hit -195 C, so we need the starting temperature of the air to be about -35 C. How do we do that? Altitude.
According to the chart below (and doing a little conversion), the temperature of the air at the border of the Troposphere and the Stratosphere is about -70 C, and the temperature decreases linearly along the way.
This means that roughly halfway up the troposphere we should be able to hit the appropriate base temperature to let EM 32 liquify the air. How high is that?
Apparently the troposphere varies from 7km at the poles to 20km at the equator. I'm not sure where the EM is latitude-wise but it's probably somewhere in the middle so we can guess that the troposphere is somewhere between 10km and 15km tall, which means that half of the troposphere would be about 5km to 8km high, which is high but I don't think it's unreasonably high.
(Incidentally, if we went to the top of the troposphere and got the extra 35 degrees, we could shave off 7 levels of EM and only need EM 25, but we'd have to go twice as high up)
edit: we'd hit altitude sickness problems after 2.5km but we have Tunneler's Friend so it's okay.
edit2: turns out I forgot to account for the reduction in pressure's effect on the boiling point, and at the top of the troposphere we'd actually need to hit -220 C or so to liquify the air, which means we can theoretically still do this but we'd need to go all the way up to the top of the troposphere with EM 30-32 to make it work.
Before we set the plans for it into motion, we got Word of QM that we wouldn't be dinged by the Grue if we tried. Good job keeping attentive about the risk, though!
Sounds promising, is it clear enough in game that we could present the idea to Asuma as a pitch and a promise of getting it done within 2 months, or is it better to wait until it's been completed?
- Location
- Under a Rock
Hahahahhahhha! Asuma, you are now our second favorite Hokage ever.
So, what do we have on this scale?
So, what do we have on this scale?
- Seventh path mail and shipping
- interdimensional chakra bucket line
- This one is dependent on Noburi, so it might not count. But then again, it allows concentrating a village's worth of chakra into one person, at any range.
- Skyslider
- Paying civilians for chakra so that ninja can train longer
- This one is dependent on Noburi, so it might not count.
- EM nuke
- Stacked implosion seal? stacking them to two or three should get much better explosives without breaking reality.
- Macerator mills?
- Jiraiya said that seals could be made to selectively absorb or emit materials. We could make one to process ore, or cotton.
- We might be able to process cotton already. Get a macerator powerful enough to break the cotton strands but not the seeds, then run it through a filter. It will probably be very low quality cotton, but it might work.
- Force wall plows
- 5SB basement. It would have stopped the collapse.
- Civilian usable seals.
- A school for civilians? We could set it up so that all the tower has to do is fund it.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Don't forget the Merchant Council. Mari pretty much owns that.
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- UK
What is this?
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- Yes.
Noburi's chakra water, sent through the Seventh Path to the battlefield from a safe location.
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
While the project is theoretically possible from the numbers, I doubt we can actually implement it within these two months.
Hazou himself has no more than a hunch about this, signaled to us by an off-hand incompletely voiced idea. He has no reason to expect a high enough level of Elemental Mastery to liquefy air, only a curiosity at the possibility. And he's only got that much because he's open-minded and got nudged in the right direction. Nobody on the face of the earth has any reason to expect this to pan out, including Hazou, and Hazou is one of very few people who would consider it plausible enough to test out.
Even then, however, what do we need to do to pull it off? We need Akane to monofocus on EM for two full months while Shadow Clone is within reach, and then at the very end of those two months we need to Skywalk all the way up to the stratosphere, over a dozen kilometers up into the sky, so that the ambient temperature is low enough that we can liquefy the air. Nothing less will suffice.
A mere hunch that there might be something useful further down the EM path is unlikely enough to sway Akane away from Shadow Clone, perhaps not even enough to sway her away from other parts of her build. Assuming we pull rank or something to force her to monofocus on it, when two months are over and all we have is the air being very cold, it beggars belief to want to push the envelope even more and go kilometers up into the sky to try there.
It's still not impossible. Maybe Hazou inexplicably develops an obsession with the idea and manages to toe the line between pushing the obsession and getting caldera'd. It's not impossible, but I just don't see it happening. Furthermore, the idea is useless until it is demonstrated. As I said above, nobody on the face of the earth has any reason to expect it to work, and so until we liquefy the air in front of them they would only treat our idea as what it is: a wild hunch.
If we present this to Asuma now there's no way he'd accept it on faith. If we drove Hazou to obsession without getting him caldera'd and somehow managed to convince Akane to skywalk up to the stratosphere to test it out and we proved we could liquefy air there, then it's a definite maybe since we still haven't proven it works at ground level and is therefore actually useful.
In short, it's not theoretically impossible to liquefy air with EM within two months, but I wouldn't hold my breath, and I certainly wouldn't ask Asuma to believe we're onto something as valuable as a nuke from just a wild hunch.
- Location
- Under a Rock
Yeah, but the real advantage comes from the fact that once Noburi sends his chakra, he can just refill it from whoever is around. Imagine a summoner deep in hostile territory with tens of thousands of chakra points at their disposal. You could summon dozens or hundreds of creatures, all while staying in a safe location far from the battle.
- Location
- UK
Naruto learns quick & would be the strongest user. In fact Naruto alone could subjugate the rest of the EN with this. Wouldn't be his element but I don't think that matters.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Didn't we have like, a discussion with Keiko about it and she went ahead and did it?
- Location
- Denmark
I'm afraid that I don't often have the time to actually participate properly in the discussion, but I found myself quite intrigued by the latest post and hey, it's Christmas break and I've got an idea that might be useful. Probably not worth one of the prizes in and of itself, but it should be doable with existing tech so it'd be a relatively inexpensive thing to add to the pile.
Namely, could we use 5SB to essentially construct artillery? I must admit that I'm not entirely sure how exactly the limitations of 5SB work, but I think that it might be possible to construct a cylinder with only one open end and still have the nigh-indestructible properties? If so, we drop an explosive or implosive seal (or something else that explodes) in it, set a timer, drop a boulder down the cylinder, and then it should be sent flying.
It would require a bit of set-up, so I don't think that it could work as a combat move, but if we were to attack a fortified position, then being able to bombard enemies after a few minutes of preparation might be useful.
Namely, could we use 5SB to essentially construct artillery? I must admit that I'm not entirely sure how exactly the limitations of 5SB work, but I think that it might be possible to construct a cylinder with only one open end and still have the nigh-indestructible properties? If so, we drop an explosive or implosive seal (or something else that explodes) in it, set a timer, drop a boulder down the cylinder, and then it should be sent flying.
It would require a bit of set-up, so I don't think that it could work as a combat move, but if we were to attack a fortified position, then being able to bombard enemies after a few minutes of preparation might be useful.
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
I thought that was the Snakes and maybe Dogs..?
If you did, can you point me to the chapter? Because it doesn't appear to be the last several
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NM found it
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- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
@eaglejarl Can multiple members of the same clan bring in gifts separately? If they do, can they each get a prize if they make it to the top five independently? What happens if a clan member chooses the fourth prize for themselves (as opposed to giving it to their clan head)
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
Not sure about the first question, but on this second part I feel pretty comfortable declaring that this is not a legally meaningful question as far as Leaf is concerned. If your clan head tells you to do a thing that doesn't contravene the Tower, you gotta.
- Location
- Yes.
Wasn't there talk about fertilizer, underground farms, and related agricultural improvements? Being able to mass-produce larger quantities of food year-round would make Leaf self-sufficient and be able to export food far more than normally, if nothing else.
Most of the trouble is going to be making the crops survive since it's winter, sadly; we'd need some form of sunlight + warmth to give the crops the energy they need to grow. Jiraiya had these Daybright seals, which I think mimic photosynthesis sufficiently [citation needed], but unless we want to have Akane spam EM every 3 hours, we need a source of warmth to keep the crops from breaking. Jiraiya's seals probably should have something, and if worst comes to worst we can just use a fire beneath the farm itself to warm the area or something.
Most of the trouble is going to be making the crops survive since it's winter, sadly; we'd need some form of sunlight + warmth to give the crops the energy they need to grow. Jiraiya had these Daybright seals, which I think mimic photosynthesis sufficiently [citation needed], but unless we want to have Akane spam EM every 3 hours, we need a source of warmth to keep the crops from breaking. Jiraiya's seals probably should have something, and if worst comes to worst we can just use a fire beneath the farm itself to warm the area or something.
- Location
- UK
Don't need 5SB if you're just using a normal explosion seal, since EM's metals are good.