War.
--I reluctantly state that if a)war is highly likely and b)if that war is an existential threat to a 'people', those people are 'justified' in pre-emptive strikes, and may have a positive responsibility to do so (and perhaps even very extensive strikes indeed).
-IRL I hate war. I do believe in the right of self defense. I would prefer that Hazo act 'morally', though a) I don't know how much of this community share what amount of my particular moral orientation b) I believe prescriptively we should treat MfD world as containing 'real' people. And having lurked for some time, I think that there is a general 'consensus' on a) (e.g., murder is bad) and b) (we are treating MfD as if the characters are 'real' and are our peeps). c) I care more, and value more, people whom I know than people I do not.
@Inferno Vulpix If this the actual calculus going on in Rock (not disputing, just personally I have no data either way)
-I just have the strong sense, from listening to Mari, that the war will happen, even if there is a full diplomatic push. (That, to me means is a lot more going on in Rock than just those 2). Of course I may be reading too much into Mari's briefing, but if war is inevitable, that, for me, launches a number of things that 'ought' to be discussed, or at least be top of mind when we are making plans and voting
-I do feel that if such a war unfolds without intevention, there is a high probability of MfD becoming 'our family died'
-So, we may indeed a) have a positive responsibility to drive decisive action, and ought to be prepared for such, at least as contingencies and b) ought to have a framework for assessing how likely this war is & how likely it is to be an existential threat to our family. There may be other components deciding this in the best way that we can
-Obviously one issue, for me at least, is that, I believe, you never are certain about anything [but perhaps a few limited (e.g. mathematical) facts]. Another is that we are ignorant (i.e., we have little to no data, let alone high-quality data), as far as I know, of what Leaf is doing to prevent this war, Hiashi's plans against us, among other things.
--I reluctantly state that if a)war is highly likely and b)if that war is an existential threat to a 'people', those people are 'justified' in pre-emptive strikes, and may have a positive responsibility to do so (and perhaps even very extensive strikes indeed).
-IRL I hate war. I do believe in the right of self defense. I would prefer that Hazo act 'morally', though a) I don't know how much of this community share what amount of my particular moral orientation b) I believe prescriptively we should treat MfD world as containing 'real' people. And having lurked for some time, I think that there is a general 'consensus' on a) (e.g., murder is bad) and b) (we are treating MfD as if the characters are 'real' and are our peeps). c) I care more, and value more, people whom I know than people I do not.
@Inferno Vulpix If this the actual calculus going on in Rock (not disputing, just personally I have no data either way)
then diplomacy can prevent this war easily, a) if Hiashi wants to and also b)has received a similar projection. (If Hiashi does want this war, well, he is trying to murder us.).
-I just have the strong sense, from listening to Mari, that the war will happen, even if there is a full diplomatic push. (That, to me means is a lot more going on in Rock than just those 2). Of course I may be reading too much into Mari's briefing, but if war is inevitable, that, for me, launches a number of things that 'ought' to be discussed, or at least be top of mind when we are making plans and voting
-I do feel that if such a war unfolds without intevention, there is a high probability of MfD becoming 'our family died'
-So, we may indeed a) have a positive responsibility to drive decisive action, and ought to be prepared for such, at least as contingencies and b) ought to have a framework for assessing how likely this war is & how likely it is to be an existential threat to our family. There may be other components deciding this in the best way that we can
-Obviously one issue, for me at least, is that, I believe, you never are certain about anything [but perhaps a few limited (e.g. mathematical) facts]. Another is that we are ignorant (i.e., we have little to no data, let alone high-quality data), as far as I know, of what Leaf is doing to prevent this war, Hiashi's plans against us, among other things.
