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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Orisha91 said:
@eaglejarl Before I make any more assumptions, does Suijutsu exist in Mist? And how widely known would it's existance be among the populace?

I was thinking kenjutsu users (Zabuza) would use it.
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What sort of mechanics are you looking for here? Ninja don't wear armor and can walk on water, so the drivers for its creation are missing. Are you thinking of this as an extra-XP training method, a "Hazō can still fight in conditions where others can't", or what?
 
faflec said:
Wait, is that what they are? That sounds...really, really dangerous to experiment on. Like, "I will get smushed berry lodged inside my brainstem" dangerous.
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Set the unstore radius to some specified minimum (or try to) and have a clone do all the tinkery bits.
 
ContextBot said:
I am not against contacting Akatsuki, but using the Pangolin or even the Toad's like this is a terrible idea. Remember the Map?

The Pangolin have to go through a number of other Clans to deliver a message and at least two of them, Monkey (who don't like the Pangolin to begin with) and Turtle (soon to be Neji's) are close to them. The Pangolin gave us info on the Capybara scroll and their movements, who says that this doesn't go back to Asuma (he might only tell us we are idiots but still) or Hiashi?

Additionally Jiraya never finished this:



We have no clue who is watching. (Those guys might be allied with Akatsuki though)

Once Noburi is the Toad summoner we might be able to talk to Sharks without a problem, but until then we probably have to wait.

Besides, if Akatsuki wants to stop the war they are fully capable to do that on their own.

But anyway can you add asking about the minor villages that surround Earth? If we understand a bit about their politics maybe we can turn them and avoid or delay the war?
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I kept saying contacting them via Jiraiya's network, but nobody said anything.
 
MMKII said:
have a clone do all the tinkery bits
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Considering the existence of sealing failures which ignore Clones and go straight for living organisms, how about adding one decently sized chakra beast (preferably without ranged abilities) chained down far enough from where the tinkering happens but still closer than where our real meat bags are cowering?

That way sealing failures would have to ignore two additional safety measures before they hit people we care about.

Also regarding Keiko: when we left Isan she promised to come back to one of their guys, maybe even that High Priest guy. So getting her to go there shouldn't be that difficult.
 
Tua said:
Considering the existence of sealing failures which ignore Clones and go straight for living organisms, how about adding one decently sized chakra beast (preferably without ranged abilities) chained down far enough from where the tinkering happens but still closer than where our real meat bags are cowering?

That way sealing failures would have to ignore two additional safety measures before they hit people we care about.

Also regarding Keiko: when we left Isan she promised to come back to one of their guys, maybe even that High Priest guy. So getting her to go there shouldn't be that difficult.
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If its a sealing failure upon infusion, then we're probablydecently screwed anyway, but the practical concerns faflec was talking about come about in the R&D testing phase (which happens after that IIRC), to which I suggested we have someone without a meatbody do the fooling around with.

eaglejarl said:
Wait, you put half-truths and lies in your installment???

Damn, I wish I'd thought of that. It could have been hilarious.
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Have we even done anything notable IC to try and confirm Kagome's InfoDumps?
 
Noumero said:
What's Mari's take on Isan? Does Keiko want to involve herself? Is Noburi interested in the marriage?
  • Ethically, Isan is heading in a bad direction, and we could help. Pragmatically, it's a good power-grabbing opportunity. You're inclined to go along.
  • Takahashi mentioned "concessions" from Azai — could they be working together?
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Right, I think it might be a good idea to brainstorm ideas on how to attack Sousuke's agenda, and put them in the plan. Here's some thoughts:
  • The obvious method of attack: Bring Keiko in as the counter-messiah figure. We'd have to deal with Keiko's fears of public speaking and with her soft-break with the Pangolin Clan, but this is a method of challenging Sousuke's religious significance.
    • One thing I'm considering is having Panda (or another Pangolin under Keiko's sway) revealing their Shock! and Horror! at the use of Tapirs as sacred animals. I doubt Sousuke would have broken down the sacred animal of Isan given how long they've been intertwined, and the great warriors of Ui Isas' scroll saying otherwise would really fuck his position. After all, wouldn't Ui Isas have told Sousuke that the Tapirs are the Pangolins' enemies, if he'd been getting visions of him?
  • The Sacred Spiritual Seekers of the Scaly Sage is clearly an Orochimaru thing. Orochimaru, who is a reviled missing-nin and who Leaf must have had extensive documentation on his experiments. This is an obvious method of breaking down his competence, but further methods would have to rely on information we don't yet have.
    • Side note: Now I'm really regretting Kagome having killed the skinmaker. Octocats just aren't viscerally horrifying enough, you know? Ahh, maybe there'll have been some people recovered from the first two levels of the Basement that still survive. Or hey, maybe we can do another round in the Basement?
  • What I think we really disagree on with the Sousuke-controlled Isan is his views on unity. That is, they shun everyone who doesn't fit his narrow-minded view of the world. One thing we could consider is how this worked under Yagura, who was a charismatic despot who ruled Mist with an iron fist, and who developed a system that incentivized reporting others for "treason", even if it meant jack shit. This is a critical counter-example to the sort of world Sousuke seems to want to build, would be an in-story example of the final results of Sousuke's vision.
    • Admittedly, Yuno might be biased about this given that she was already a pariah before all this hapened. So we should probably consider the possibility that Sousuke might not be that bad (heh, as if).
Noumero said:
Assess difficulty & usefulness:
  • Modifying Implosion Seals to not store air within a 2-meters radius. In combat, a team erects a 1.9-meters Air Dome around itself, activates the MIS. They're unhurt; everyone else within 20 meters dies.
  • Modifying explosives to detonate upon partial/full destruction.
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eaglejarl said:
Yes, you can do a reasonable amount of that.
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@eaglejarl has expressed willingness to put this stuff in Research Study Plans, I'd vote for it and it would give you room to add the above thoughts to your plan.
 
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faflec said:
The Sacred Spiritual Seekers of the Scaly Sage is clearly an Orochimaru thing. Orochimaru, who is a reviled missing-nin and who Leaf must have had extensive documentation on his experiments. This is an obvious method of breaking down his competence, but further methods would have to rely on information we don't yet have.
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Though, maybe *we* can co-opt *them* as an attack vector to get rid of Isan? It nets us more Oro-lore too.
 
MMKII said:
Though, maybe *we* can co-opt *them* as an attack vector to get rid of Isan? It nets us more Oro-lore too.
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Only to the extent that we can co-opt them. Recall that we don't know who's running the show on their side, and we don't know how willing they'd be to working with us, or how easily they'd be overthrown.

Still, @Noumero I recall that we discovered a branch of Orochimaru's in a Tea city soon after we left Isan (medic pyramid schemes, I think), and reported this to Jiraiya. There should be records somewhere in his spy network, and we do have access to some of his contacts. Maybe we could add digging through that stuff to learn what they've dug up about the local branch?
 
faflec said:
Only to the extent that we can co-opt them. Recall that we don't know who's running the show on their side, and we don't know how willing they'd be to working with us, or how easily they'd be overthrown.

Still, @Noumero I recall that we discovered a branch of Orochimaru's in a Tea city soon after we left Isan (medic pyramid schemes, I think), and reported this to Jiraiya. There should be records somewhere in his spy network, and we do have access to some of his contacts. Maybe we could add digging through that stuff to learn what they've dug up about the local branch?
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Every 50 chapters we get a new serpent themed organization. Theres gotta be some way we can put feelers out, even if its only to the extent that we're trying to contact them to let them know to contact us (because we have the Oro-lore).

Another thing: We should probably proceed forward with the assumption that Kabuto may be a serious wrench in the gears on anything Orochimaru related. He made it sound as if he was some one-off Level 0 apprentice, but how likely is it that thats the full truth?
 
MMKII said:
Every 50 chapters we get a new serpent themed organization. Theres gotta be some way we can put feelers out, even if its only to the extent that we're trying to contact them to let them know to contact us (because we have the Oro-lore).

Another thing: We should probably proceed forward with the assumption that Kabuto may be a serious wrench in the gears on anything Orochimaru related. He made it sound as if he was some one-off Level 0 apprentice, but how likely is it that thats the full truth?
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Agreed. Right now (this update-day) we might not have the time given the need to group up, but during the next voting cycle I think one of our focuses should be contacting some of Orochimaru's organizations, based on whatever information we can grab from Leaf/old contacts/our history.
 
faflec said:
Orochimaru's organizations, based on whatever information we can grab from Leaf/old contacts/our history.
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Get J's bois on it.

Lets go the whole 9 yards too.

Assuming Akatsuki is splintered and we have to contact most of them individually, here's how I might go about starting the brainstorming process of doing that (beyond vague "put feelers out" etc.).

1) Contact Kakuzu
-- There must be a way for him to satiate his lust for monies with bounties.
--- The pile of gold in our treasury is looking a lot more expendable at the moment, by the by.

2) Contact Hidan
--He is the religious leader of a major cult and might have gone back to get stuff done with said cult.
--- Noburi knows where this was situated.

3) Contact Konan
-- She's an old student of Jiraiya's, met during one of the wars. We know he fucked around in Rain a bit, so maybe she was from there and went back there.
--- Ask Tsunade to confirm this backstory even.
-- We have reason to believe Akatsuki Guy was in Rain for extended periods (Take a linear combination of plausible reasons). So maybe she or someone else is there.

4) Contact Itachi/Kisame
-- Summon realm.
--- We could ask Sasuke maybe about the formers whereabouts under the guise of "Hazou the Righteous Moron has a major grudge to settle because That Man and His Partner helped kill our dad."
----Perhaps he can point out intel on Uchiha Temple.

5) Contact Deidara
-- Kagome said "He was the major supplier of explosives in the Fang/Claw war." so they might know a way to get in contact with him if this is true.
--- Alternatively start blowing stuff up.

6) Contact Sasori
-- That Wind village clearing mission might have been him (he would know the area and have the means to easily clear land for miles with his kajillion puppets)
-- Maybe Chiyo knows.

7) Contact Nagato
-- See Konan section.

8) Contact Orochimaru (Dead or Alive)
-- Basement is a nice start on leads.
-- Get in cahoots with his organizations, see if we can piece together where his Horcruxes are.

9) Contact Zetsu (Assuming he exists and/or Zetsu = Lupchanzen)
-- Follow up on that Kagome interlude where he talks to the weird merchant guy.
 
faflec said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail How have things been going on research?
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So thats another thing.

Assuming the TN is approximately 27 for ESP seals, I'm not certain we can actually finish it in time. That's about 6-8 decently successful research rolls at the moment, assuming the research complexity TN doesn't decrease as well with each attempt (Da Rules don't say it does), otherwise it'd be more like 4-5 decently successful rolls. Maybe another one good one added to both of those to account for the failure.

Given that we're scrambling for things on the order of "War is happening in a month-ish", maybe we want to consider other things to put on the queue ?
 
MMKII said:
So thats another thing.

Assuming the TN is approximately 27 for ESP seals, I'm not certain we can actually finish it in time. That's about 6-8 decently successful research rolls at the moment, assuming the research complexity TN doesn't decrease as well with each attempt (Da Rules don't say it does), otherwise it'd be more like 4-5 decently successful rolls. Maybe another one good one added to both of those to account for the failure.

Given that we're scrambling for things on the order of "War is happening in a month-ish", maybe we want to consider other things to put on the queue ?
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What else would be as useful as an alertness-booster?
 
Cariyaga said:
What else would be as useful as an alertness-booster?
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I don't know? I'm just saying that there might be other things to research that might improve things on the war front. Even narrowing the scope to "Things for Hazou" or "Things that improve alertness" might be too premature IMO.
 
*sigh* Remind me, what exactly are we going for with ESP seals? Are they just vibrator seals that are sensitive to different intensities?
 
Velorien said:
This is your standard reminder, just in case, that 5SB objects are not indestructible.
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True, but IIRC no-one knows their limits so there's a good chance that they can withstand aerial bombardment. And if not, well, layering them could plausibly achieve the same effect, with each layer sapping most of the force of one projectile and thus with sufficient layers achieving the same 'impractical to target' precautions.
 
MMKII said:
Yeah. So + Alertness was the idea at the time, I believe.
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Damn.

Anyway, I'm thinking more and more about radar seals, which are the ultimate manifestation of chakra detection seals and can, if used properly, detect a Skywalker attack miles in advance. My current thoughts, if we can't get variable-intensity vibrator seals, is that we could try working on other aspects of radar seals that we'd have to do anyway, but which have beneficial aspects in the interim. These would include:
  • Changing the detection method from spherical into conical, or at least to some non-omnidirectional method. This would partially shave off the issue with ESP seals, as I would imagine them to be easier to make. Hazou's got storage seals and explosion seals down, and if he needs a way to bump up his TN he could research directional explosives, which are kinda important anyway.
  • Adjusting them so that they can detect more diffuse uses of chakra. The chakra diffusion problem might be solvable if, as I suspect, chakra disperses into the environment in a manner similar to light scattering, as it would imply that we could detect chakra emission from a distance.
  • Setting a maximum quantity at which it will respond. This would, in conjunction to the above method, filter out more nearby sources of chakra and allow us to focus on distant chakra usage.
 
[x] Action Plan: Stick Your Appendages Everywhere
[x] Action Plan: Stick Your Appendages Everywhere W/O COMMITTING TO DISCUSSING FORBIDDEN LORE THIS IC WEEK
 
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