Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
TaliesinSkye
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That is a good point. It's a security issue in addition to a welfare issue.
In fact, one option would be to couch a conversation with Mari in those terms rather than being concerned about her mental well being if we thought she might respond more positively to a less personal take on the situation.
"Mari, I've noticed that your eyes often change color. Is that from some sort of jutsu use? I was was wondering if people outside the clan might notice it as well and have it tip them off to something." Or something along those lines.
I'm not sure if it's an option I'd go for, but it is an option.
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Noumero
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How does the following look, as a draft for the next-cycle plan? CC: @MadScientist, @Roomba, @Evenstar.
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- There are two notable unknown about Mari: TLitF's exact mechanics, and her eyes changing colour. Are they related?
- Eyes: Grey in the swamp, then blue after leaving, then green. Coincides with known TLitF usage: she used it in the Swamp, then (by her admission) in Tea on Hazou, then she swore off it.
- Until now, presumably: her eyes went green, brown, purple. She's been using TLitF again?
- What about "the price"? She'd implied it negatively affected her mind. Related to her "recovery"?
- Discuss with Noburi, Akane (high-security room).
- Akane: What happened in Leaf while we were gone? Anything related to Mari?
- Fully fill them in. Tell your thoughts on TLitF, describe in detail your private conversations with her: the latest, and in Iron.
- Note: her usage of TLitF is potentially enough to killbox us. Don't spread the information around.
- Ask their thoughts. Surely she isn't acting against our interests, but you're worried she's running some self-sacrificial ploy.
- ... unless TLitF makes her temporarily sociopathic? You're unsure; did she act a bit off after Tea?
- Collectively estimate necessity of and optimize next sections. Potentially delegate some of it to Noburi or Akane.
- Talk to Mari (high-security room).
- Mentally: <how should Hazou approach this conversation?>
- Ask to give a fuller report. What did "visiting friends", "commiserating with families", and "selling seals" denote, in detail?
- If she doesn't venture it herself, bring up your suspicions about TLitF and her latest actions. What is the price?
- It's fine if she's using it on enemies; you're worried about her well-being. She's part of the clan she's ordered to protect.
- Meet with Ino/Naruto/Anko/high-status civilians, carefully learn what Mari has been doing (without showing your ignorance). Do stories match?
- Talk to Neira. Jiraiya informed her of Mari's condition, no?
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TLitF is a kinjutsu she developed herself. Why would the Nara have anything on it?
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Because it's a plot derail and going to be a huge amount of drama.
TaliesinSkye
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Why Noburi and Akane instead of Keiko? The Frozen Skein could be a big help in taking a set of observations and piecing it together into a best fit model.
In any case I'd suggest we put talking to Mari in a second plan so we can consider others' reactions and information. Also, we might want to approach Mari as a supportive group.
Using it on enemies might very well not be fine for legal/risk reasons.
Investigating what Mari's been up to sounds a bit...much, at this juncture. Also too obvious. And we do not want Mari to feel like she's untrusted or feel betrayed.
Telling Neira could be very bad if Mari's done something illegal. Also, I don't think Neira was inclined to help, if I'm remembering right?
Oh, I didn't know about the developed it herself thing. I thought it was a pre-existing technique.
That unfortunately reduces probable information sources to Mari herself, people Mari's taught (Ami) and the Frozen Skein.
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Link? I would like to incorporate that information in the wiki.
How come it didn't get grued away?
Vecht
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Easy. Nobody has put forth serious suggestions for weaponizing eye color changes yet.
TaliesinSkye
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We could actually approach Mari from a pretending to be clueless standpoint and ask her how the eye color change trick works because we want to learn to do it ourselves just for fun. Again, not sure that's the best information gathering approach and I suspect she'd see through it, but it's another option. If it is a harmless cosmetic jutsu that'd let us find out without causing drama, anyway.
We could also ask Kagome how a ninja might change their own eye color on a regular basis, but he'd probably conclude it was a sign of lupchanzen infection.
Oh god, is he right?
faflec.screaming?
We could also ask Kagome how a ninja might change their own eye color on a regular basis, but he'd probably conclude it was a sign of lupchanzen infection.
Oh god, is he right?
faflec.screaming?
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Can't seem to find the part where she developed it herself, so either I mixed it up with some other genjutsu of hers, it's in one of the old rulesdocs, or I read the statement of it being "her" kinjutsu as being one she developed herself.
TaliesinSkye
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That's a fair reading, but it is somewhat ambiguous. In any case Hazou doesn't know in character, so I'm thinking it makes sense for Keiko to try checking the Nara records. There might also be general information that the Frozen Skein could use to reverse engineer what's happening, like information about what eyes changing color implies for the chakra system or something.
Noumero
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Nope!
I think you're confusing it with this one:
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But that doesn't...those two quotes are contradictory. If Mari invented Special Hell all by herself (second quote), she should have Technique Hacking (contradiction of first quote). If Mari doesn't have TH (second quote) then she couldn't have invented Special Hell (contradiction of first quote).
I dunno what the fuck is going on here.
TaliesinSkye
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Genjutsu let you choose what to show the target, right? It sounds like something that didn't require technique hacking, just a general illusion genjutsu.
You know....what do you guys think about shopping around for a really good technique hacker for the clan? That's a big hole in our roster that would be awfully useful. We could ask Noburi about any he's found.
*murmur about an absolutely long TODO list*
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail How's the economy thing going? Can you do a ballpark of our mortgage?
Noumero
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My reading is that certain high-level genjutsu could be customized to a degree, which is distinct from invention. Kind of like implosion seals: they're technically all the same seal, but their range could be set on infusion to anywhere between 0.5-20 meters.
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I'm not entirely sure I like these bullet points. The first...I recall that it was meant to emphasize a sense of urgency, but the clan already knows it has a shortage of manpower and is looking to adopt promising candidates. Moreover, Chapter 267.3 suggests Mari and Ami are, to some extent, working together; I doubt Ami'd try to poach some of the Jonin we're looking at so quickly.
As for the second...my gut feeling tells me that Kurenai would NOT enjoy the idea of having to balance a clan she's been part of for a really short period of time, which she is obligated to do; Asuma, as Clan Head, would also not enjoy whatever dowry we'd demand of him. The only real benefit they'd get is the officiating of the political alliance, which feels unnecessary since we all know we're going to be working together; and that Kurenai won't have the stigma of being a clanless ninja marrying the Sarutobi Clan Head...but that would only affect the traditionalists, who wouldn't respect the Gouketsu as being a respected clan anyway. I dunno, it seems like one of those things that Hazou'll suggest and then everyone will look at him like he's dumb.
@Oneiros touched on this earlier, and I agree with her: I'd like to expand on this since the Yakuza might be a way for us to sell salt/ice without having to worry about the stuff discussed in the last chapter. Jiraiya had some intel on the black market and the like, maybe we could use that as another topic of discussion. Getting Mari's view of the Mist Yakuza (which she should have) is also something we could hear about, we can figure out how likely they'd want to keep with us after Jiraiya's death.
This seems the sort of thing we should ask Naruto. Who isn't at the clan meeting.
Edit: Also, found this.
I'm pretty sure that means it won't be very likely.
Offering to give Tsunade funding first seems like the sort of thing we could do when discussing how we'd talk to Asuma; I'd suggest we do that then and not now.
The collaboration on land-clearing, though...I can't believe we didn't bring it up then. Maybe just condense it into suggesting asking Tsunade to help clear the red tape, or something? We'd offer her the cut seperately, and she might be more willing to take it for funding if we prove it works before doing it en masse.
We, uh, don't know any of this stuff. Nobody here is a summoner yet and Jiraiya's notes didn't really cover economic stuff. Feel this should go under the future Action Plan where we talk with Keiko, or something similar.
We're reconsidering based on the assumption that Lee'd get the Turtle Scroll, right? It's not entirely clear from this...
Alright, I don't understand the Ami contingency. The first two bullets make sense, since they're a response (preemptive and otherwise) to her arriving, but the discussion...why is it here, specifically? It implies that we're only discussing these things with Ami if she shows up. Is it meant to be a distraction or something...? Methinks it would be better served to the upwards 'Ami' section, and anything private (e.g., diplomacy) could be sidelined for a private discussion (which I think was the plan?), or cut altogether.
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I had that suggestion to ask here first, because I want to make sure it won't run headlong into anything Mari is up to (we need to be especially careful of crossing wires), and to see if she has any suggestions on it (and maybe to offload asking Naruto to her, if she wants, since that cuts a future scene off our list of things we personally should do). Basically it's a sanity of check of "Is this idea even worth bothering the guy who can tell me if he can do it?"
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What if TLiTF shortened your remaining life? Like maybe every time it's used 1/4 of your expected remaining life expectancy gets eaten by the grue.
That wouldn't matter for most ninja, since their lifespans are so short anyways. This really only works if the soul is a thing in MfD.
That wouldn't matter for most ninja, since their lifespans are so short anyways. This really only works if the soul is a thing in MfD.
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Rereading the thread, I found this:
We didn't ask for it specifically, but she's already pretty sure it won't work.
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Well now I (a sporadic reader of thread, sorry) am worried that by taking responsibility for any consequences of our orders, we've taken responsibility for the still-unknown-to-us(?) "price" of her technique, which had heretofore been too much for her to pay. I'm still worried about this even if she's not using it on us.
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Emstar
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Thats the point. If SUDDENLY AMI, we have something prepared instead of getting jerked around by whatever she wants to do.