Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
I have an extremely difficult time seeing someone finding voluntary death to be ideal if they are not under duress of some form, so there's little meaningful difference to me between those views.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
I'm not entirely sure about the philosophical side of things, but I will say that if this quest ever reaches a position where we're asking this question IC with respect to tangible meaningful scenarios we've probably already won so I'll be happy.
- Location
- France
Huh. I interpreted that bit with the hug as "he wants to fuck her, but she's not interesting in being more than a friend."
Did I misread things?
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
*Shrug*
An it harm no one, do as thou whilt is the whole of the law.
Functionally speaking though it runs into some problems. How sure are they that their wish for blissful oblivion isn't fundamentally circumstantial in nature? What's an ethical cut-off threshold there? Wouldn't it be better to cast them into the timeless void of a stasis chamber instead of nonexistence, on the off-chance that whatever was keeping their core desires stuck on "Don't Exist Anymore." unchangeable barring some subversion of their identity was actually just some difficult yet solvable problem?
Who knows. It's heavy stuff for sure, and I'm just a bag of electric meat that pretends to know stuff about stuff in my free time.
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Getting HPMOR vibes from the question.
So you think death itself or a bad death is a major problem of the world that Uplift should solve?
You want to use Arikada's seals for good?
- Location
- The Void
- Pronouns
- She/Her
@faflec plan in case we want to make any edits
[X] Action plan: the clan strikes back
[X] Action plan: the clan strikes back
- Investigate Mari.
- Ask what she's been really doing. She's concealing information about her activities, executes plays of unclear purpose (Keiko). Are we even campaigning for the Hat? We need to coordinate and that means knowing what you (our best agent) are doing.
- Be insistent: it's highly important.
- Check-in with Keiko's fanclub. Give them some information, encourage expansion.
- Any rumors about our clan? We heard something strange about Mari...
- Ask what she's been really doing. She's concealing information about her activities, executes plays of unclear purpose (Keiko). Are we even campaigning for the Hat? We need to coordinate and that means knowing what you (our best agent) are doing.
- Meet with Ino:
- Express our condolences. Reminisce about both our dads...
- At risk of meddling: Is there anything we can do for Chouza? He must be feeling awful now.
- Consider scheduling a wake for the fallen.
- Ask her thoughts on politics. Any important developments we might've missed?
- Securely ask the clan (especially Mari):
- Update Mari on Ami. Should we:
- Sell her any unique information for favours?
- Spend a favour to enlist her help with the elections? "Maximize our personal influence on Leaf politics"?
- How many Leaf jounin are left? Note their names and allegiances.
- Update Mari on Ami. Should we:
- Background
- Kagome: Focus on sealing.
- You've been forgetful and absent-minded lately. Start a (OPSEC-sensitive) journal, writing activities and stream of consciousness throughout the day.
- Kagome's done the same. Ask for tips.
- Review Jiraiya's political notes.
- Coordinate with Mari to investigate Leaf's underworld.
- Could we coordinate with Mist Yakuza to gain leverage?
- Get details on the Hagoromo's debts.
- Discuss adopting clanless jounin
- Have Nakano + associates meet Kagome about sealing
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- Location
- The state of Paranoia
Personally, I care more about suffering than death. If you can kill someone without causing much/any pain or disruption to those around them, I don't really argue against it. I don't particularly like it either, but if it reduces the likelihood of suffering for themselves/others then I count it as a necessary evil.
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Admittedly my opinion is more relevant to the real world than to MfD or any kind of post scarcity world.
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JulieK
Unintentionally funny
- Location
- Israel
"Plan: Let Ami extrapolate our volition, we trust her."
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
I don't. I mean, I'd still vote for the plan, but I don't trust her.
JulieK
Unintentionally funny
- Location
- Israel
Before modern times, 50% child mortality was normal. A life expectancy of 16 probably goes for civilians as well.You probably mean ninja, civilians are people too.
Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
- Location
- Snarksville, Snarkland
At least in real life, if you condition on [survives childhood] then life expectancy was much closer to modern rates. That doesn't really apply to ninjas, though.
Ami-style training sessions
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- He/Him
You may conduct up to 1 Ami-style training session per IC day. This will earn you 1 bonus XP. QMs may rule a a particular session impossible to carry out due to external constraints (including, but not limited to, time and stamina), or ineffective for whatever reason (including being boring and thus not representing a sufficient improvement over standard downtime training). A failed training session will use up as much time as a successful one.
- Location
- The state of Paranoia
I guess I'll just put this here then
[X] Action plan: the clan strikes back
Until someone puts in a plan with Ami-style training.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
In this case it is confined to natural numbers.
No,no,no! The quote is: "An it harm no one, do as thou whilt is the whole of the law." The way you said it is very dangerous!
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
You have made my day.
Bah. Fair enough
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You know that the first Wish is always for more Wishes.
So you would deduct XP if less than ten people vote?
It goes very slowly because there are no timeskips. At all. Everything is described in quest and voted for.
PMAS is also infamous for its extreme levels of bleedover. To the point that it has (or had at some point?) a separate discussion thread. Or so I've heard, anyway.
I mean, technically, a person being replaced by another person counts as ego death. Or do you mean that you find the almost-the-same-person aspect horrifying, not the death prevention?
Mari was doing exactly what instructed: protecting the clan. Keiko herself said that her decision harms the clan economically, so Mari tried to manipulate her to prevent that. I'm not sure what Hazou was expecting when he gave the go-ahead or what you thought happened, but I thought that this was obvious.
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
- Location
- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
Anyone else instantly had to think about this?
Ami has trained and molded them well. Disgustingly so if the last two lines are any indication.
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- He/Him
In this case, that would translate to "my favour is for you to owe me more favours".You know that the first Wish is always for more Wishes.
Are you sure you want to proceed? YES/NO
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
I can think of ways to do this without even wasting the first favour!
- Location
- The state of Paranoia
So, training ideas.
Jump rope, but on the ceiling/walls.
Meditation while Lee is being his most YOUTHFUL in your general vicinity. (Should probably be done after offering our condolences, and probably after telling him about the training plan)
Meditation while chakra-adhering to Lee as he runs around Leaf (or while he does The Floor Is Larva for extra challenge).
Substitution tag. No one can move in any way except by substitution.
Mental fortitude training. Ask Keiko to hit us with her fear aura while we hang upside down from a tree branch over a lake/river. Try not to get wet.
Deception training. Disguise yourself as well as you can (which is to say, very poorly), and convince people that you are *person you are disguised as* pretending to be Hazō, pretending to be *person you are disguised as*.
Constitution/empathy training. Eat a meal at that place you sent Keiko/Shikamaru to. Eat the whole thing, and think about just how much suffering you caused them.
Juggle chakra oranges. Without wearing protective gloves.
Draw (but don't infuse, you're not that dumb) explosive seals with one hand while sparring with the other.
Spar while singing "I am the very model of a modern ANBU general."
Jump rope, but on the ceiling/walls.
Meditation while Lee is being his most YOUTHFUL in your general vicinity. (Should probably be done after offering our condolences, and probably after telling him about the training plan)
Meditation while chakra-adhering to Lee as he runs around Leaf (or while he does The Floor Is Larva for extra challenge).
Substitution tag. No one can move in any way except by substitution.
Mental fortitude training. Ask Keiko to hit us with her fear aura while we hang upside down from a tree branch over a lake/river. Try not to get wet.
Deception training. Disguise yourself as well as you can (which is to say, very poorly), and convince people that you are *person you are disguised as* pretending to be Hazō, pretending to be *person you are disguised as*.
Constitution/empathy training. Eat a meal at that place you sent Keiko/Shikamaru to. Eat the whole thing, and think about just how much suffering you caused them.
Juggle chakra oranges. Without wearing protective gloves.
Draw (but don't infuse, you're not that dumb) explosive seals with one hand while sparring with the other.
Spar while singing "I am the very model of a modern ANBU general."
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
I see where this is going. Soon enough it will turn out that Hazou and Ami stumbled upon each other, sometime in distant childhood, so distant neither of them properly remembers it... and they made a promise of a certain kind.
[х] Make Ami marry Hazou based on this absolutely viable sequence of events
Ha, called it!
@Vecht had suggested that we request Ami to maximize the amount of hours Shikamaru owes us, then tell Shikamaru to spend them on maximizing the amount of favours Ami owes us, then use these favours to get her to make Shikamaru owe us even more hours, and so on ad infinitum until we own all of Shikamaru's time and have more of Ami's abstract currency than Ami herself.
But I fear this won't work because Shikamaru isn't powerful enough yet. What do you think?
I already suggested "modify your utility function to be as close to mine as this favour's worth allows", but people said we'll need so many favours to see any effect that it'd be worthless.
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- Location
- The state of Paranoia
Training idea:
Have Keiko throw pointy things at you, while you balance a bowl of hot soup on your head.
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Thumb wrestle with Lee, while both of you are being tickled by Noburi.
Have Keiko throw pointy things at you, while you balance a bowl of hot soup on your head.
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Thumb wrestle with Lee, while both of you are being tickled by Noburi.
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