Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
Yes, because nothing could possibly go wrong with that plan.
Would you do that to us?
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Would you do that to us?
I don't think genjutsu seals would work very well.
That's a lot of variables that you'd have to customise directly before use. Maybe it would even need you to customise it during operation.
That's a good way to get ourselves killed. With the sealing level we'd need to make something that complicated work, it might actually be more cost effective to just respec into genjutsu.
That's a lot of variables that you'd have to customise directly before use. Maybe it would even need you to customise it during operation.
That's a good way to get ourselves killed. With the sealing level we'd need to make something that complicated work, it might actually be more cost effective to just respec into genjutsu.
- Location
- Switzerland
@MadScientist, the most troubling aspect of genjutsu is immobilization of the caster. Replacing caster with a seal solves this, respecing into genjutsu doesn't. I think genjutsu is too nerfed to ever consider it without removing some of its weaknesses first.
- Location
- Leeds
You know, if we could turn this into a song then we'd have written the SV anthem.
Point.
But the lack of healing seals in every ninja's first aid kit seems to indicate that if a jutsu is complex or fiddly then it's difficult to convert into a seal format.
At the very least, I suspect that we'd need levels in genjutsu before we could make a seal for it, like with MEW.
- Location
- Phoenix, AZ
Hmm... So... what I'm reading is that if Hazou learns medical ninjutsu, he can make a "limb regrow!" seal and regrow people's limbs?
- Location
- how about no
I was hoping more for a Danzo-style seal on people's tongues so they can't talk about us. It's a known canon seal on a person's body that isn't a curse seal and could help us out when we start recruiting. I doubt we could get Kagome's help with prototyping it, though.
If we could get genjutsu onto a seal I would be very surprised since genjutsu requires a "mind" to dominate the victim.
If all else fails we can just stick to Kagome's plan of 'slap an explosive seal on them and then make 'em dance' to solve any motivational problems. Bonus points if the seal implanted on their body actually helps them and the explosive bit is a secret fail-safe that the pawns don't know about.
If we could get genjutsu onto a seal I would be very surprised since genjutsu requires a "mind" to dominate the victim.
If all else fails we can just stick to Kagome's plan of 'slap an explosive seal on them and then make 'em dance' to solve any motivational problems. Bonus points if the seal implanted on their body actually helps them and the explosive bit is a secret fail-safe that the pawns don't know about.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
So you're saying all we need to do to get a genjutsu seal to work is develop an advanced AI to serve as the mind behind it? I see no way this could go foom. I mean wrong.
- Location
- how about no
Yeah, that's just my current interpretation of how the rules interact. It could be completely, utterly wrong.
We really need the QM's to decide if genjutsu seal can be made, and then (if they are feeling generous) what level we could expect to actually make/research one.
- Location
- Switzerland
So much potential for body horror. Some Sealing, some Medical Ninjutsu, and Hazou would be able to do a pretty close impersonation of Bonesaw. I wholeheartedly support this plan.
- Location
- Phoenix, AZ
I might be wrong, but I think one of the themes of Marked for Death is us asking "are we high enough level for that?" and the QMs responding "...you can try it!"
I don't know why, but I get the feeling that the QMs wouldn't want us to emulate Bakuda.
- Location
- Phoenix, AZ
No need to emulate Bakuda. Just get Medical ninjutsu and sealing high enough that each time we "heal" someone (as Noburi's been doing) we place a seal on them with a remote trigger only Hazou can use. Establish self as a healer, then have hundreds to thousands of people who will die if they betray us.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I bet that Orochimaru is doing it. It would explain some of his tricks. Also we know he has some knowledge of sealing. Also let's face it when it comes to body horror in Naruto Orochimaru is your go to guy.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
More QMs ideas means more interesting challenges and more XP for us.
- Location
- Switzerland
@Traiden, more ideas for QMs = more fun for us. Yes, it is Dwarf Fortress type of fun, but it is still fun.
Also, I am not going into evil territory. I have no need to.
Also, I am not going into evil territory. I have no need to.
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Jackercracks
In a British accent
- Location
- England
Personally I don't want you to emulate Bakuda, but not because she was evil; that's eaglejarl's thing. I don't want you to emulate Bakuda because she was stupid. Bakuda's plan in canon was short sighted, rushed and ended predictably. Worse though, it introduced a single point of failure to the entire organisation, put that single point of failure into a baseline human and then painted a massive target on her own back through indiscriminate collateral damage while also reducing her ability to threaten to escalate to doing worse things by doing all the worse things to start with. She successfully united an entire city of chronic backstabbers into an alliance against herself, for little real gain.
By removing the ability to choose from her subordinates she destroyed the flexibility and reactiveness of her organisation, calcifying it into blindly following orders without taking the situation on the ground into account. It made no effort to dress up its actions as PR friendly, making use of pointlessly cruel bombs that would turn any moderates away from it. Also, many of the bombs had a large explosive radius, meaning that many of the people would have been safe had they gotten close and knocked her out or otherwise incapacitated her because she would also be in the blast radius.
- Location
- how about no
Duly noted. How about instead we recruit a bunch of minions, and then when one acts up we use our deception to act like we know some crazy, forbidden 'make the person I'm staring at explode' technique. Consequently, the doubting minions should learn to fear us adequately. While we do that, we should justly reward minions who follow our orders diligently and/or find creative ways to expedite our goals. The key is not overwhelming them with fear of exploding; that only happens to uppity minions who don't know their place. As long as nameless minion #98178 does as he is told, only disobeying orders if he can prove that by doing so he is furthering our goals at his subsequent inquisition/performance review, he will have a wonderful retirement package. People have to want to work for us; never force someone to work for you.
Better yet, in the very late game we should try to see if we can break the thumbnail size boundary on sealing to make microscopic seals. It would be like primitive nanomachines! Just release some airborne seals near your target, either let the victim inhale the seals or simply gather on their clothing, and then activate. Either the victim's insides explode on the cellular level or the seals on their clothes are enough to incapacitate some of their limbs. Bonus points if you disperse multiple versions of nano-seals so that you can get around a prepared enemy's defenses, like a gas mask or heavy, hermetically sealed armor.
And now I'm left wondering what would happen if Armsmaster and Bakuda teamed up to combine their tinkering powers together.
- Location
- USA
Seals might follow this sort of rules that you would use for making a checklist. The Simple, Complicated, Complex breakdown. Where a simple thing would be a bullet point on a checklist and somthing used to put seals together with or be very simple sorts of seals. Count to ten, make a shape, emit a chakra pulse, or some other low level function that a computer could do. You string these simple tasks together to do a complicated thing; an actual explosive seal with a toned detonation and or other sensory input. A complicated task but somthing that once you know the steps to you can expect the same results from every time. Humans are complex systems and one could reasonably say that setting up a genjutsu effect would of the same class of complexity. To many moving parts to reliably automate without direct intervention.
It is that sort of baseline I am thinking through when advocating for seal development of some trick or utility. A hologram would be a complicated thing to make, a genjutsu that gives the person affected by it the image of the hologram would be a complex thing and not a thing we could make into a seal.
It is that sort of baseline I am thinking through when advocating for seal development of some trick or utility. A hologram would be a complicated thing to make, a genjutsu that gives the person affected by it the image of the hologram would be a complex thing and not a thing we could make into a seal.
- Location
- The Andali Nebula
(warning: complete speculation) I think genjutsu requires the precise location of your targets eyes (retinal nerves? eye chakra network?) in space, or something like that, which is why you have to make eye contact for it to work (and hold still so that the eyes are still there by the time your chakra gets there (or something like that)). Having to configure a seal to find peoples eyes seems like it would either be ridiculously difficult if it does it by itself. Alternatively, we have to configure the location of our enemy's eyes in combat ... and at that point you should just preform the genjutsu ordinarily.
Regardless of whether or not that's the case, the target specification problem will still be an issue for genjutsu and we have no starting point for that at all. At least with our other seals we have starting points in the form of seals we can all ready build as well as the considerable experience of kogame. Granted, we might want to work on this problem as it seems incredibly useful, and we might have a starting point with the casino seals, but for the time being genjutsu seals seem completely implausible.
Now on the other hand, dispel seals seem super useful. Attach a timer on one or more before a confrontation or diplomatic situation to make sure you aren't tricked. If we could make a seal cast dispel multiple times it would be even more useful as we could use the seal to cast it periodically. If we could attach one to some sort of chakra storage we could be indefinitely immune to genjutsu.
Regardless of whether or not that's the case, the target specification problem will still be an issue for genjutsu and we have no starting point for that at all. At least with our other seals we have starting points in the form of seals we can all ready build as well as the considerable experience of kogame. Granted, we might want to work on this problem as it seems incredibly useful, and we might have a starting point with the casino seals, but for the time being genjutsu seals seem completely implausible.
Now on the other hand, dispel seals seem super useful. Attach a timer on one or more before a confrontation or diplomatic situation to make sure you aren't tricked. If we could make a seal cast dispel multiple times it would be even more useful as we could use the seal to cast it periodically. If we could attach one to some sort of chakra storage we could be indefinitely immune to genjutsu.
- Location
- Phoenix, AZ
All of my yes. Let's automate our paranoia. Then let's not trust it and dispel periodically anyways.
Jackercracks
In a British accent
- Location
- England
I feel like this line perfectly encapsulates the quest.