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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Also feel like this suggestion has been given before multiple times in fact I think. And each time there have been different objections to messing with our own heads and chakra system. Something about corrupting it us or injuring ourselves by the foreign chakra pulses and what not.
 
Traiden said:
Also feel like this suggestion has been given before multiple times in fact I think. And each time there have been different objections to messing with our own heads and chakra system. Something about corrupting it us or injuring ourselves by the foreign chakra pulses and what not.
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And I keep saying to just test it on captured enemies or civilians. No need to mess with Hazou's brain (any more than we already do).
 
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Inoue-sensei reached in and pulled out a very slim wooden chain, hand-carved and sized – of course – to fit the loop of the pendant. As she held it up to the light, the team noticed something Kagome-sensei hadn't warned them about – fine black tracery running through the chain in a complex pattern. If that was what Hazō thought it was, it must have taken weeks of work to adapt it to the new form.
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You know, this makes me think the topology of the surface carrying the seal matters a lot. A seal for tag can be easily adapted for a wall since they're both flat surfaces, but you need to redesign it if you want it to wrap around a tube or something.

Oooh! We can test this!

Can we ask Kagome whether his explosive seal for a chain link would be easy to make work on a ring? (Still topologically a toroid of similar size, just a bit more circular) Also tell him we don't intend to actually put it on a ring, that would be silly.

Actually, there's a lot of sealing dynamics testing I want to do:
  1. Take our explosive and storage seals and make them larger and see what happens. Just use a tag twice as wide and twice as tall and scale the seal up to match. Likewise scale the seal down.
  2. Vary the thickness of lines on the seal and see what happens.
  3. Rotate and mirror the seal patterns to see what happens.
  4. Take a large tag and put multiple seals on it in different corners such that they trigger simultaneously.
 
Thinking further upon the possible side effects of a foreign chakra pulse seal placed upon one's body, I have come to the conclusion that it would be a most horrific way of capturing and containing foreign enemy Ninja. It would have to be a variable timer that is randomized pretty much every time that it does a chakra polls so that the body doesn't get used to the consistently timed interruptions to its own flow to effectively break somebody out of genjutsu if somebody has taken into account the periodic pulses that you have from just a set timer seal. Because having this foreign chocolate polls run through your own system periodically would disrupt your ability to cast normal ninjutsu, or at least that is what I am thinking it might have an effect in addition to Breaking yourself out of genjutsu. To be in the middle of combat while trying to do a technique that requires chakra, be it reinforcing the body or casting a clone technique, would interrupt and make the technique cost more take longer to cast or just disrupt it completely leaving you vulnerable when you would be at full strength. That is of course if it doesn't completely burned out your chakra system over a long-term exposure. Leading to crippling the person with the seal on their body.
 
Jello_Raptor said:
You know, this makes me think the topology of the surface carrying the seal matters a lot. A seal for tag can be easily adapted for a wall since they're both flat surfaces, but you need to redesign it if you want it to wrap around a tube or something.

Oooh! We can test this!

Can we ask Kagome whether his explosive seal for a chain link would be easy to make work on a ring? (Still topologically a toroid of similar size, just a bit more circular) Also tell him we don't intend to actually put it on a ring, that would be silly.

Actually, there's a lot of sealing dynamics testing I want to do:
  1. Take our explosive and storage seals and make them larger and see what happens. Just use a tag twice as wide and twice as tall and scale the seal up to match. Likewise scale the seal down.
  2. Vary the thickness of lines on the seal and see what happens.
  3. Rotate and mirror the seal patterns to see what happens.
  4. Take a large tag and put multiple seals on it in different corners such that they trigger simultaneously.
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Or we can ask him to teach us how to put seals on three dimensional objects. Like he did.
 
Also, we should add a chakra vampire seal to our list.

Hmm, could we combine chakra ink with clay and make 3 dimensional seal constructs?
 
Animal testing is only marginally less evil, given that many chakra beasts go out of their way to pulp human lives and I value humans more than murder happy chakra beasts due to me also being human. But the rest of that is way not ok. Rules of informed consent are what I would like us to enforce when it comes to human trials of any enhancing or debilitating seals.
 
It is my understanding that with proper training anyone can access their chakra system and while not everybody has the same amount or same potential for growth but the bell curve seems to be that everyone could be a ninja if taught. Reference Rock Lee.
 
Traiden said:
It is my understanding that with proper training anyone can access their chakra system and while not everybody has the same amount or same potential for growth but the bell curve seems to be that everyone could be a ninja if taught. Reference Rock Lee.
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Relevant quote from "Team Anko", @eaglejarl 's story.

"You should know who Rock Lee is; Naruto trained alongside him for three years. Lee has zero ability to use chakra, yet he graduated from the most prestigious ninja academy in the world, merely by working hard. Don't tell me that a civilian couldn't become a ninja. Plus, constantly working chakra reserves to exhaustion will allow even a civilian to reach minimal ninja levels after a couple of decades."
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Traiden said:
It is my understanding that with proper training anyone can access their chakra system and while not everybody has the same amount or same potential for growth but the bell curve seems to be that everyone could be a ninja if taught. Reference Rock Lee.
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Rock Lee had a birth defect but was of superior ninja stock. (Note/Edit: Anyone which ninja capabilities and unknown parentage is clearly of superior ninja stock. Otherwise they wouldn't have ninja capabilities. Likewise, anyone of civilian parentage with ninja capabilities must be descended from ninja stock, the trait having skipped a few generations.)

Also this story seems to imply that people (the loggers) can have too little chakra to be ninja. There's also word of god to that effect with EJ saying the civvies with ninja training could deplete their reservoirs and kill themselves.

The dynamics of racism are largely genetic or familial, whereas the dynamics of classism are largely economic with the genetic and familial aspects being secondary.

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When only one of the classes has any chance of fighting back, it's merely practicality.
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And this is why racism and classism are confusing. They feed into each other. The effect is especially strong when certain races are good at punching other races.

Edit: Is the sarcasm not obvious? I mean not only is the distinction between racism and classism utterly irrelevant in this context, but I'm using the language that racist assholes in our world used to use.
 
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Jello_Raptor said:
And this is why racism and classism are confusing. They feed into each other. The effect is especially strong when certain races are good at punching other races.
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I suppose one could call it species-ism, but since they can interbreed that's not quite correct. Sub-species-ism would be technically correct since one is presumably a sub species of the other, but the 'sub' term is problematic for PR reasons.

Edit: I'm pretty sure we gave WoG on whether civilians have the reserves to become ninja or not a good while back when someone asked for population figures. Basic answer is: the vast majority of the population do not have the physical capability to become ninja. If they did, then the knowledge would have gotten out and humanity would have already wiped out the chakra monsters, much like ancient humans killed off all the lions and wolves and bears in the UK, or nearly all the megafauna worldwide.
 
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@Jackercracks: I'm curisou why we haven't seen a eugenics program or a proper breeding program so far.

It seems like a very good strategy for dealing with a world like this. Like Vertifloke says, a few well chosen tax incentives can huge a huge effect.

Edit: I suppose clans sorta work, but I'm more imagining incentives for civilians to have liaisons with ninja to increase the average amount of chakra in the population.
 
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Probably too paranoia but:

Mountain utilizes eugenics/government-dictated breeding (aka ruling clan a la Kouta/elders)

Nobaru maaaaybe flunked a medical knowledge roll? Could be more to it than just nutritional defects? Maybe some inbreeding related issues he didn't pick up on?
 
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