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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Rafin said:
I didn't have the time to read through all the player comments, but was there a deeper point behind fooling around with exactly the kinds of questionnaires that neurotypical people love to make fun of?
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While I also didn't perfectly follow the discussion, my understanding was that it was intended as Hazou jokingly exaggerating his own behaviors and tendencies, intended to promote social bonding with his teammates through the medium of humor. Of course now Noburi has called his bluff so he's stuck either going through with it or admitting defeat, turning the whole thing into a game of ironic chicken (in which Noburi has a distinct advantage due to less effort & shenanigans being required for him to keep up his end).
 
Wiadi said:
While I also didn't perfectly follow the discussion, my understanding was that it was intended as Hazou jokingly exaggerating his own behaviors and tendencies, intended to promote social bonding with his teammates through the medium of humor. Of course now Noburi has called his bluff so he's stuck either going through with it or admitting defeat, turning the whole thing into a game of ironic chicken (in which Noburi has a distinct advantage due to less effort & shenanigans being required for him to keep up his end).
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Context: I stole that section from @Roomba to fluff out a plan that was intended as a more conservative approach towards getting the shinines, but have no idea how far he intended it to be taken. There wasn't really much discussion on it.

FWIW though I generally agree with including antics like this from time to time (which is why I was happy to include it), if nothing else because it makes Hazou more personable and I don't think the consequences are even worth thinking much about, much less fretting over.

Personally I'm completely okay with pushing it even further. In fact, I'll vote for any plan that--

...You know, actually my shoulder @Roomba has convinced me not to go there this time.
 
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What do we know about hotsprings girl?

I'm not making more than proto-plans (because planmaking is fucking horrible :D) but I think our next plan should just be suggested tactics for wrecking her.
 
Wiadi said:
While I also didn't perfectly follow the discussion, my understanding was that it was intended as Hazou jokingly exaggerating his own behaviors and tendencies, intended to promote social bonding with his teammates through the medium of humor. Of course now Noburi has called his bluff so he's stuck either going through with it or admitting defeat, turning the whole thing into a game of ironic chicken (in which Noburi has a distinct advantage due to less effort & shenanigans being required for him to keep up his end).
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Pretty much this.

Vecht said:
Context: I stole that section from @Roomba to fluff out a plan that was intended as a more conservative approach towards getting the shinines, but have no idea how far he intended it to be taken. There wasn't really much discussion on it.

FWIW though I generally agree with including antics like this from time to time (which is why I was happy to include it), if nothing else because it makes Hazou more personable and I don't think the consequences are even worth thinking much about, much less fretting over.

Personally I'm completely okay with pushing it even further. In fact, I'll vote for any plan that--

...You know, actually my shoulder @Roomba has convinced me not to go there this time.
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This was a tongue in cheek implementation of something similar I suggested, if I recall.
 
Velorien said:
What do you do?
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Oh, I just realized.

@Velorien @eaglejarl @OliWhail

Where even are we right now? The previous plan had "Go to Mist" but this is pretty nebulous as is. Can we assume we're at Mist now? Anything pressing we need to consider?

Anderkent said:
Nice update, but only 1 XP. Gotta be more correct about Hazou's capabilities with respect to what he can actually to accomplish, and then do things with better payoffs, rather than just shifting momentum from the previous course of action towards a watered-down variant of the same thing when it becomes apparent the previous approach was flawed, if we don't wanna fall behind the curve.
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ftfy

Although it seems many people are happy enough just getting the info here, so it's probably worth it?
 
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Anderkent said:
Nice update, but only 1 XP. Gotta take more risks if we don't wanna fall behind the curve.
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Huh, I thought it'd just be a case of the update only dealing with part of a day, but you're right. The last update ended as we left in the morning and this one happened when we made camp for the night.
Velorien said:
The morning of departure had come. It was overcast, and, at this time of morning, pretty dark. However, Jiraiya had made it clear that they would not be late to Mist by so much as a minute, or he would personally hand the offender over to Hyūga Hiashi for use before the tournament began. (The fact that nobody could imagine what the "use" could possibly be made it only worse.)

Right now, the Gōketsu Clan in its entirety (including Fifi, curled around Kagome's feet) was assembled in front of the compound gates, saying its farewells before setting off to join the main Leaf contingent at the village gate.
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Velorien said:
The Leaf travellers had made camp for the night.
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TFW all it takes to be a Jonin is the ability to go pretty damn far and actually going pretty damn far.
 
Vecht said:
So just so we're on the same page. Let's say you had full control of Hazou, and hypothetically Pein came by and presented you with this choice over and over. Is there a point at which you'd say "no, just kill them," or would you keep going, happily agreeing the whole time until you've decided to eradicate the entire human race?
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This isn't a good example, because the choice you're offering is between (Akane dying) and (civilian village dying and taking the test again).
 
Veedrac said:
This isn't a good example, because the choice you're offering is between (Akane dying) and (civilian village dying and taking the test again).
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Okay. Is this meaningfully different than being provided the choice between (Akane dying) and (extinction of human race), when if provided the choice between (Akane dying) and (civilian village dying and taking the test again), you'd choose the second every time?

The thing I'm asking after is if they'd choose the second every time, or if there's some point at which they'd choose (Akane dying). At which point, the follow up question is then to ask between (Akane dying) and (point-at-which-you'd-make-the-other-choice-in-the-other-hypothetical).
 
Vecht said:
So just so we're on the same page. Let's say you had full control of Hazou, and hypothetically Pein came by and presented you with this choice over and over. Is there a point at which you'd say "no, just kill them," or would you keep going, happily agreeing the whole time until you've decided to eradicate the entire human race?
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I would save Akane up until the point where I notice that Pein will continue arbitrarily repeating the test, which would be when he asks again after the second village at worst.

I never said every time. At best it would be every distinct, non-repeatable instance of the choice in situations I don't expect to be re-occuring.
 
I think what Jiraiya is saying about Jonin auras is that they are the afterimages of a crystallization of a concept; that is to say, Hazou won't ever truly become Jonin by saying that "I need to become better because X", Hazou must say "I am X" or "I am better", no justification allowed. To think that there is a "because" or a "weaker" or a "lesser" is simply not allowed when you seek to become jonin, in Jiraiya's worldview.
 
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
I think what Jiraiya is saying about Jonin auras is that they are the afterimages of a crystallization of a concept; that is to say, Hazou won't ever truly become Jonin by saying that "I need to become better because X", Hazou must say "I am X" or "I am better", no justification allowed. To think that there is a "because" or a "weaker" or a "lesser" is simply not allowed when you seek to become jonin, in Jiraiya's worldview.
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I am here!
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
Huh, I thought it'd just be a case of the update only dealing with part of a day, but you're right. The last update ended as we left in the morning and this one happened when we made camp for the night.
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Ultimately, it's @eaglejarl who gets the last word, but my assumption would be that you've arrived in Mist unless you haven't. That is, if your next plan overrides the previous one by saying that there's something else you want to do en route, I would retroactively allow you to do it since there is a time gap for it to happen in and timeline hasn't moved on yet.

Again, though, that's only for my updates and only on a case-by-case basis.
 
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Thousand-Yard Stare, or TYS, points represent trauma from the witnessing of terrible things that can never be forgotten. However, those who have had great horrors seared into their memory are also partially inured to lesser ones. Mechanically, this means that TYS points are added directly to a character's Intimidation skill.
 
Vecht said:
So my thoughts here drift immediately towards a meta-level consensus protocol. Like, we have some mechanism between us and Hazou, and no matter how disparate our individual opinions are, we all agree that once the consensus (as established by the protocol) has been met, then we all unanimously support the consensus.
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Lets outsource all discussion onto another password protected forum that QMs cannot access then have a spokesperson post a plan here once a week.

So basically the update cycle would consist of one QM update post, one player post, new players asking if the thread is dead and a bunch of very confused QM posts wondering where everyone went.
 
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Velorien said:
Thousand-Yard Stare, or TYS, points represent trauma from the witnessing of terrible things that can never be forgotten. However, those who have had great horrors seared into their memory are also partially inured to lesser ones. Mechanically, this means that TYS points are added directly to a character's Intimidation skill.
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To clarify:
  • You've said before that "You can't get TYS points for surviving Joutarou because 'I almost got killed by a jonin' isn't something you would boast about while staring down an enemy." is this still considered the case?
  • Did we get TYS points for murdering a boatload of civilians? If so: why? If not: why not?
Just trying to get a better picture of does and doesn't fit the criteria so we don't have to keep repeating this discussion.
 
Vecht said:
Really I'm just asking "if not one or two villages, how pretty damned far is pretty damned far?"
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I'd rather not say because SV (rightfully) frowns on unsavory tribalism.

Also, I'm rethinking my stance because, even if I were to suddenly control Hazou, he still is a character with a personality and past I didn't mold on my own and at some point "what is true to the ideal this fictional character represents" trumps "what would I actually want to do if I were in his place". That said, if this were a traditional roleplaying game with one player per character from the start, I would probably not have become a true Uplift nin, cool, ambitious and enjoyable to read as it is.
 
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MadScientist said:
Just trying to get a better picture of does and doesn't fit the criteria so we don't have to keep repeating this discussion.
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They are given out at QM discretion whenever our blackened hearts feel so moved. There are no rules for when you get them or what you get them for, except that you never get them by asking for them, axiomatically.

The first one or two are easy, they get significantly harder after the second or third. Getting to the number that Kagome has requires serious dedication.
 
eaglejarl said:
They are given out at QM discretion whenever our blackened hearts feel so moved. There are no rules for when you get them or what you get them for, except that you never get them by asking for them, axiomatically.

The first one or two are easy, they get significantly harder after the second or third. Getting to the number that Kagome has requires serious dedication.
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Fair enough.
 
Rafin said:
The chapter was well written and executed, even if I disliked what the actual plan had us do. I didn't have the time to read through all the player comments, but was there a deeper point behind fooling around with exactly the kinds of questionnaires that neurotypical people love to make fun of?
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Do neurodivergent people have a different attitude to them? It's not something I've thought about.

faflec said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Anything we can do to help with QM spoons (e.g., on jutsu)?
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Figuring out what you can do to help with spoons also requires spoons, especially with all the behind-the-curtain stuff that no player must glimpse.

With that said, we're making good headway on the ninjutsu. As you can see, we've basically got the Amazing Ninjutsu of Awesome that Hazō Doesn't Get to Know About nailed down.
 
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