Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Emstar
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FUCK IT
I will be available to edit until 2-3pm EST.
Word Count: Sorry BirdDuke, but there's some serious fish to fry.
[X] Action Plan: By Your Powers Combined
I will be available to edit until 2-3pm EST.
-Vecht's plan with some of Roombas conversational edits thrown in
-Ami Training => Changed wording
-Keeping in line with the "Please only 3 scenes per plan" I have shelved the training stuff in to the "Can do offscreen" portion.
-Ami Training => Changed wording
-Keeping in line with the "Please only 3 scenes per plan" I have shelved the training stuff in to the "Can do offscreen" portion.
Word Count: Sorry BirdDuke, but there's some serious fish to fry.
[X] Action Plan: By Your Powers Combined
- Wait until an opportune time and discuss Pangolins with Keiko, when she is ready to do so.
- This is important; Hazou does not back down or allow the conversation to end without resolution.
- Goal: Offer emotional support and help Keiko decide on a way forward that she can morally accept.
- Tone: Serious, but gentle. In spite of everything, Hazou retains some hope for the future.
- Ultimately: Hazou will respect whatever Keiko wants to do.
- The following is just our advice on the topic in our capacity as teammate, friend, and family.
- She of course has the final say on all things Pangolin
- Affirm:
- She is right to be concerned with the Pangolins' expansionism and is entirely correct that it is at odds with our philosophy.
- We have dug ourselves in a hole, and have not tried hard enough to get out of it.
- Deny:
- She is wrong that we are not responsible for this. Even if their war was inevitable, the trade for Skytowers was our (Hazou's) idea. We gave them far more power than they would otherwise have and made it far worse as a consequence.
- She is perhaps too harsh on Leaf, which Hazou still thinks can be a force for good in the world.
- Assuage:
- We might not be able to reverse or fix this, but we can at least mitigate against future actions by the Pangolin clan.
- We have far more leverage over them than they're willing to admit, with their dependence on us for Skytower seals.
- Also through Jiraiya and Toads.
- Suggest:
- We can use our leverage to negotiate a cessation to their conquests. Keiko maintains her current Tessera, but no more seals if they invade another clan.
- If necessary, we can work with the Pangolins to ensure their needs are met through means other than conquest and slavery.
- If necessary, we can get money from another source.
- Seals are worth quite a bit, after all. Hazou will help to make up the deficit if that's what it takes.
- Will get more input and suggestions from Jiraiya.
- Offer emotional support:
- If she gets angry or lashes out at Hazou, allow her to vent without pressing and without judgement.
- If she withdraws, sit with her in silence and acknowledge her pain.
- Hazou is to blame for this, as well. Two years of living as missing-nin, hoarding every scrap of power in a desperate struggle to survive, left him with a mindset he has trouble shaking off.
- Sincerely thank Keiko for bringing this to our attention.
- We're going to start delivering on our Uplift promises as soon as we assess the situation in Leaf.
- With our position in Leaf nearly solidified, Hazou has a lot of plans to make things better, and he's not willing to put them off any further
- He hopes he can count on Keiko's help in making them a reality.
- This is important; Hazou does not back down or allow the conversation to end without resolution.
- Catch up with Mari and Kagome
- See what's been going on in Leaf
- Use Kagome's tutoring activity as basis for a "Tutoring At Risk Kids program."
- Possibly subsidized by selling explosive seals?
- D-rank mission pays and/or pay-it-forward scheme.
- Catch up with Hana when she arrives
- About Mari and how we've come to view her as family. We understand Hana's frustration, and don't ask that she also forgive Mari, just to give her a chance.
- About what Akane said and how he feels about it
- Can be done offscreen:
- While waiting for Jiraiya proactively start focusing on training
- Look into if we can get Gai or Kakashi to commit to training with us
- Look for chunnin who we can spar with
- Perhaps we can somehow turn everyday tasks into Training from Hell
- Check status on our license to sell seals
- Start researching casino seals (w/Kagome's help)
- Give Jiraiya a list of all the seals we have seen with any details we know
- Talk to Jiraiya about Shadow Clones. OBSERVE OPSEC.
- From what they were told, a single clone being genjutsued knocked out Naruto. This implies some sort of knowledge or experience transfer.
- Possibility seems to exist for training with them.
- Elaborate on idea for Chakra Beast Containment Facility for Noburi to drain. If this seems unsafe, suggest doing training in high-chakra density locations (Forest/Swamp of Death...)
- From what they were told, a single clone being genjutsued knocked out Naruto. This implies some sort of knowledge or experience transfer.
- While waiting for Jiraiya proactively start focusing on training
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Emstar
The Shining One
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I am amicable towards starting this somehow if we can lay some groundwork in a bullet point or two.
Start making a few dozen storage scrolls or something?
Talk to J about mercantilism?
I'm going to again point out that we have. Our decisions stopped the war between Leaf and Mist. How many civilian lives were saved because the entire thing was wrapped up in one battle?
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[] Action Plan: Power Overwhelming
EDIT: I spent too long writing this post!
[X] Action Plan: Power Not Too Overwhelming
Good stuff. Other than what @Roomba said, I only have four suggestions:
Booster Boxes. A simple metal box, 4 inches to a side and open on the bottom. On the inside of the left face, there is a PMYF filled with 3 inch diameter lead spheres. The PMYF is glued to a LBF, which can be activated by pulling one of the tags out.
The PMYF emits a lead sphere at 30 mph. The lead sphere hits the right wall of the Booster Box, imparting a great deal of momentum. The sphere falls out of the box in time for the next sphere to spit out, at 30 mph relative to box.
Soon the booster box will be moving very quickly, albeit in a slightly to very random direction.
Now tape a seal with a long delay to the top of the top face. And let 20 of them loose at once. This can be used to blanket a wide area with the desired effect.
It could also be used to spin a wheel, by affixing the booster boxes radially.
Or use two of them to drag a piece of razor wire around.
Or throw a pair connected by ninja wire, and have them act like weird bolas.
Related, the Booster Bobsled. Essentially a massive Booster Box, except it has dozens of PMYF seals delivering 100kg logs to the other side of the wall. A ninja holds on for dear life, and tilts the box to aim.
This should give brief bursts of very high speeds. I can try to work out the math later.
EDIT: I did a first draft of the math. Essentially, emitting one 100kg weight every half second for a minute, we should achieve a top speed of 200 mph, and go a little over 3 miles. Can't upload a proper google doc yet, but I've pasted the excel contents here.
EDIT: I spent too long writing this post!
[X] Action Plan: Power Not Too Overwhelming
Good stuff. Other than what @Roomba said, I only have four suggestions:
- In the "Suggest" section, bring up that it is possible that not all factions of pangolin society are equally genocidal. We might be able to find some people who are against it, and give them more power.
- For example, hand them a ridiculously large stack of skytowers, and cut the government off.
- In the "Focus on training" section, see if we can train in the swamp of death.
- In the discussion with Keiko section, ask who all she wants brought in on the planning. The Nara might have useful ideas.
Booster Boxes. A simple metal box, 4 inches to a side and open on the bottom. On the inside of the left face, there is a PMYF filled with 3 inch diameter lead spheres. The PMYF is glued to a LBF, which can be activated by pulling one of the tags out.
The PMYF emits a lead sphere at 30 mph. The lead sphere hits the right wall of the Booster Box, imparting a great deal of momentum. The sphere falls out of the box in time for the next sphere to spit out, at 30 mph relative to box.
Soon the booster box will be moving very quickly, albeit in a slightly to very random direction.
Now tape a seal with a long delay to the top of the top face. And let 20 of them loose at once. This can be used to blanket a wide area with the desired effect.
It could also be used to spin a wheel, by affixing the booster boxes radially.
Or use two of them to drag a piece of razor wire around.
Or throw a pair connected by ninja wire, and have them act like weird bolas.
Related, the Booster Bobsled. Essentially a massive Booster Box, except it has dozens of PMYF seals delivering 100kg logs to the other side of the wall. A ninja holds on for dear life, and tilts the box to aim.
This should give brief bursts of very high speeds. I can try to work out the math later.
EDIT: I did a first draft of the math. Essentially, emitting one 100kg weight every half second for a minute, we should achieve a top speed of 200 mph, and go a little over 3 miles. Can't upload a proper google doc yet, but I've pasted the excel contents here.
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[X] Action Plan: By Your Powers Combined
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@MMKII
2 bullets.
1. Spend 1 day with Kagome making storage seals on one scroll (~200 storage seals).
2. Pitch "Truck Scroll Commerce" to Jiraiya as a way to strengthen Leaf, the clan and build alliances and propose debuting the day of the tournament (with appropriate prep work).
Sound reasonable?
2 bullets.
1. Spend 1 day with Kagome making storage seals on one scroll (~200 storage seals).
2. Pitch "Truck Scroll Commerce" to Jiraiya as a way to strengthen Leaf, the clan and build alliances and propose debuting the day of the tournament (with appropriate prep work).
Sound reasonable?
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No, but it does hurt our credibility when we say "we're all about the civilians/lessers". That's my problem with it; we talk a big game, but our specific actions seem to indicate that we're just cynically aiming for more power as efficiently as possible.
I quite agree with you here; all of the things I have mentioned are band-aids. The point is, it's just a little bit more than lip-service. Even if I accept your conclusion that such actions are by and large completely marginal, the mere fact that we've done them lends us credibility when we say "we could use more help to make things better for everyone".
Because that's what this last update really highlights; We talk huge game. But as of right now, our credibility is best described in terms of fractions.
Otherwise, I totally agree with your list and my plan actually begins to act on a few of them, if preferring not to make contact with the movers and shakers until we have a solid record.
Indeed!
And you know what's a way to ensure that the idea never spreads?
If the very person who introduced it is widely regarded as having used the ideology for cynical power-grabbing and empty promises.
Most of the reason of why I say "slow down on the power grabs, start actually doing this Uplift stuff" is precisely that; I want other people in power to buy in, not just support a rising politician who says lots of nice things and the populace loves him for it.
My problem isn't getting more power.
My problem is that we aren't using it for what we say is one of our core beliefs.
And if that's true, can we believe anything this guy says at all?
That all said, I will vote for
[X] Action Plan: Power Not Too Overwhelming
because there is a concrete action, even if there are fewer than I'd like.
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@huhYeahGoodPoint
I would think that you would like the truck scroll idea, since that is a concrete step but still leaves a lot of time for combat training.
I would think that you would like the truck scroll idea, since that is a concrete step but still leaves a lot of time for combat training.
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That's true, but I don't think it helps that much in this instance. The decision to join Leaf and gift them Skywalkers had a very complex rationale, and "Maybe we'll make the inevitable war less destructive" was only a part of it.
I don't think Keiko is upset about the initial decision to sell Skytowers to the Pangolins. We really had no way of knowing it would give them an advantage large enough to completely destroy the Condors. It's more that, after finding out what happened to the latter, we basically went "Whoops. Oh well." and proceeded as if nothing happened.
Emstar
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The problem I see here is that phrasing it this way requires a scene with Jiraiya where we actually probe him on this for feedback, or otherwise need to have the QMs devote significant mental energy on this.
I am okay with a bullet to the effect of "Hazou uses spare time to make storage seals and explosive tags for commercial use" so that this accomplishes:
1) Ground work for your idea
2) Ground work for our idea to corner the explosive tag market
We can quite literally pitch a mini 1-2 scene update/plan on Monday to Velorien (this saves him some spoons too) to get all of this Uplifty Idea groundwork stuff started. You can quote me on this, I will support doing this in literally two days.
I mean, you are right on all accounts, but I disagree that:
1) Spending the literal next day or two on this is going to be a good idea
2) This action plan is the only one that serves this purpose (Its literally Vechts but with fancier conversational details, and I've tried to put all the main points in my own anyway)
You want to do concrete things? OK. What I will not support is doing inefficient actions to make a point rather than actually helping people out at scale.
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[X] action plan: More power
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I will vote for any of the current plans if they add the line:
(Offscreen) Hazou makes a Truck Scroll with Kagome.
(Offscreen) Hazou makes a Truck Scroll with Kagome.
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Okay.
Half the problem is that people are suspicious and untrusting. Individually, the greatest good that we could do right now is stop armsdealing with Nazis, but after that, if you want to make large-scale changes, we're going to need to convince people.
I think we are more convincing if we have done things to make a point that we are in fact serious about this whole Uplift thing. Moreso than if we spent a similar amount of time, say, selling seals to the Pangolins and dining with clan heirs.
Emstar
The Shining One
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This line isnt viable.
One would have to mechanically explain what that means (this takes far more than a line), what we need to do to get it done, etc.
The QMs dont have an ability to be omniscient wrt Hivemind or always aware of all thread conversation.
If you want to spend some time each week doing some metaphorical charity work with the intent that this will serve as a good PR move to lay the stage for long term goals, I think most of us are totally fine with that, as long as it doesnt become a huge time sink to the exclusion of said long term goals.
- Comparing the pangolins to Nazi seems unfair, since the Condor would have done the same to the Pangolin if they switched places.
- We can start making the world a better place by working on that tutoring project.
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Honest question: How do we know this?
Emstar
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This isn't a binding commitment regardless, though. We're just talking about plans, we can update the ideas later.
Anyone else getting Coriolanus vibes here?
The victorious general of Rome who leads his army to glory, gets a parade, and is then exiled for going against the high-ups. And then gathers an army of Rome's enemies and marches on the city with overwhelming force, only persuaded to back down by his mother's pleas.
I don't think Kei's mother is going to speak on Pantsā's behalf.
The victorious general of Rome who leads his army to glory, gets a parade, and is then exiled for going against the high-ups. And then gathers an army of Rome's enemies and marches on the city with overwhelming force, only persuaded to back down by his mother's pleas.
I don't think Kei's mother is going to speak on Pantsā's behalf.