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This is not a precomit on our part, by the way. We can do whatever we want defense wise (i find this particular class of defense optimal modulo some details that avoid the Fort Problem) but Shika is preplanning for this class of defense and will steer people to tactics such as we have suggested.
Hold up if this is the spirit of the plan would this instead work:
  • Steer ISC to using these tactics:
    • Two-pronged assault on <required> safe aboveground path & underground assault.
      • We want to limit their attack vectors while having plans to counter this.
Kidnap some civilians, then throw in the general area of the chakra beasts. Works 100% of the time.
Not the most time-efficient way: we should throw ourselves at them instead!
 
@faflec I dont really see Jellos concerns as super concerning: this is not binding on our end. Just serves to narrow the space of possible enemy actions.(Which is MORE beneficial to us even if we did hard precommit by the way, since we just set up above paths to be turned into killzones at the drop of a hat.)

Your next edit is fine.
 
To enemies:
  • Guesstimate combat styles (physique, weapons...).
    • Ask ISC their knowledge.
    • VD check elemental affinities.
Perhaps something closer to:
  • Analyse combat capabilities:
    • VD check elemental affinities.
    • Consider equipment, physique.
    • Shikamaru & Keiko: build full profiles using all available information.
Not the most time-efficient way: we should throw ourselves at them instead!
Maybe at least scout out what chakra beasts live there? Perhaps we could make use of some of them (or their parts), one way or another.
 
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We're already hobbling them, so they have physical disadvantages
Noburi will also suggest running everyone through an Earbuster, so you can assume that everyone who wasn't on your team or ISC's team will have the Mild Consequence "Partial Hearing Loss". (Turns out most people still have a reasonable degree of hearing after getting a ruptured eardrum.)

Would it be okay to spend 1 FP to declare that Kagome has given us an equally large pile of LBFs for traps?
I'll check.

I dunno, are the QMs willing to put up with another week and a half before the event's over? @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail
It's up to@Velorien how much time he wants to cover in this update.
 
@faflec I dont really see Jellos concerns as super concerning: this is not binding on our end. Just serves to narrow the space of possible enemy actions.(Which is MORE beneficial to us even if we did hard precommit by the way, since we just set up above paths to be turned into killzones at the drop of a hat.)

Your next edit is fine.
I'm gonna change it if that's fine; I don't wanna make people precommit to using strategies that we don't want to counter-precommit to.
Ain't no rule that we can't bring extra people into the event area.
Just saying.
something something get the Hokage involved something something WW4
Perhaps something closer to:
  • Analyse combat capabilities:
    • VD check elemental affinities.
    • Consider equipment, physique.
    • Shikamaru & Keiko: build full profiles using all available information.
This seems reasonable. But I'd point out that Shikamaru would be able to predict that we got affinity information from VD, which is an OPSEC breach. Will not add that part.
Perhaps at least scout out what chakra beasts live there? Perhaps we could make use of some of them (or their parts), one way or another.
This is still super-time consuming, given that we didn't appear to have encountered any chakra beasts in the area (and it's supposed to be an old training ground, so there probably aren't any around anyway. I don't think it's a good use of our time.

Taking most of this stuff from MMKII's plan. Ping me.

Word count: 268

[X] Action Plan: Retroactive Partying
  • Run plan through Keiko/Noburi.
    • Maintain OPSEC (handsigns/Air Dome).
  • Don't jeopardize Round 2.
  • Stick together.
Retroactively:
  • To enemies:
    • Analyse combat capabilities, build profiles:
      • VD-check affinities.
      • Study equipment/physique.
      • Get ISC's knowledge.
    • Put stolen word-halves in Seventh Path.
    • Mess with them (if socially acceptable):
      • Perfumerate them + equipment.
      • Blunt + paint (visible at night) equipment.
  • Pangolins:
    • Maybe unsummoning some (Pandojuru, Pangaya), reducing chakra drain.
    • Summon Paneru: Casing/defense consultation.
      • Possibly requisition materials for R2. Pay with 5SB/gold.
  • Deliver prisoners to ISC.
    • "Honor the ransom terms".
    • Confirm details to keep story straight.
    • Help make anti-Gōketsu alliance:
      • Should we act super-confident or 'try' to undermine alliance?
      • Threaten to burn word halves (?).
    • Steer ISC to using these tactics:
      • Two-pronged assault on <required> safe aboveground path & underground assault.
        • We want to limit their attack vectors while having plans to counter this.
  • R2 prep:
    • Brainstorm plausible attacks/defenses.
    • Case locations with Pangolins for: tunneling defenses, Pangolin counterattack/ambush vectors, effective defensive artillery fire....
    • Make thin MEW sheets for 5SB.
      • Enough to defend outer walls/key rooms from inside.
      • Tie together (wire) & put in storage seals.
    • Make seals as time permits.
    • Test implosion seal anti-underground effectiveness/nonlethality (use clones).
    • Re-drain some prisoners to refresh unconsciousness (Wakahisa, social specs, intelligence bloodlines, Team Kurenai...).
      • Collaborate with ISC.
Afterparty:
  • Socialize!
    • Jiraiya calls the shots.
    • Teammates:
      • Want to stay in touch.
      • Worked really well as a team.
      • (Subtly) Mention value of working relationship with Hokage's children.
    • Comment on growing legend, subtly discuss how to leverage (build/maintain reputation).
    • Ask if he wants us to remove Team Kurenai from tournament (goad Kiba?).
  • If Hana comes, maybe tell a story (OPSEC-sanitized).
 
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I'm gonna change it if that's fine; I don't wanna make people precommit to using strategies that we don't want to counter-precommit to.

something something get the Hokage involved something something WW4

This seems reasonable. But I'd point out that Shikamaru would be able to predict that we got affinity information from VD, which is an OPSEC breach. Will not add that part.

This is still super-time consuming, given that we didn't appear to have encountered any chakra beasts in the area (and it's supposed to be an old training ground, so there probably aren't any around anyway. I don't think it's a good use of our time.

As per EJs comment: Earbuster everyone?
 
Noburi will also suggest running everyone through an Earbuster, so you can assume that everyone who wasn't on your team or ISC's team will have the Mild Consequence "Partial Hearing Loss". (Turns out most people still have a reasonable degree of hearing after getting a ruptured eardrum.)
Is it a safe assumption that Partial Hearing Loss would provide a penalty to initiative given that it would directly impact awareness?
 
As per EJs comment: Earbuster everyone?
Yeah, saw that as I posted my thing. Added.

Taking most of this stuff from MMKII's plan. Ping me.

Word count: 273

[X] Action Plan: Retroactive Partying
  • Run plan through Keiko/Noburi.
    • Maintain OPSEC (handsigns/Air Dome).
  • Don't jeopardize Round 2.
  • Stick together.
Retroactively:
  • To enemies:
    • Run through Earbuster (Mild Consequence).
    • Analyse combat capabilities, build profiles:
      • VD-check affinities.
      • Study equipment/physique.
      • Get ISC's knowledge.
    • Put stolen word-halves in Seventh Path.
    • Mess with them (if socially acceptable):
      • Perfumerate them + equipment.
      • Blunt + paint (visible at night) equipment.
  • Pangolins:
    • Maybe unsummoning some (Pandojuru, Pangaya), reducing chakra drain.
    • Summon Paneru: Casing/defense consultation.
      • Possibly requisition materials for R2. Pay with 5SB/gold.
  • Deliver prisoners to ISC.
    • "Honor the ransom terms".
    • Confirm details to keep story straight.
    • Help make anti-Gōketsu alliance:
      • Should we act super-confident or 'try' to undermine alliance?
      • Threaten to burn word halves (?).
    • Steer ISC to using these tactics:
      • Two-pronged assault on <required> safe aboveground path & underground assault.
        • We want to limit their attack vectors while having plans to counter this.
  • R2 prep:
    • Brainstorm plausible attacks/defenses.
    • Case locations with Pangolins for: tunneling defenses, Pangolin counterattack/ambush vectors, effective defensive artillery fire....
    • Make thin MEW sheets for 5SB.
      • Enough to defend outer walls/key rooms from inside.
      • Tie together (wire) & put in storage seals.
    • Make seals as time permits.
    • Test implosion seal anti-underground effectiveness/nonlethality (use clones).
    • Re-drain some prisoners to refresh unconsciousness (Wakahisa, social specs, intelligence bloodlines, Team Kurenai...).
      • Collaborate with ISC.
Afterparty:
  • Socialize!
    • Jiraiya calls the shots.
    • Teammates:
      • Want to stay in touch.
      • Worked really well as a team.
      • (Subtly) Mention value of working relationship with Hokage's children.
    • Comment on growing legend, subtly discuss how to leverage (build/maintain reputation).
    • Ask if he wants us to remove Team Kurenai from tournament (goad Kiba?).
  • If Hana comes, maybe tell a story (OPSEC-sanitized).
 
Noburi will also suggest running everyone through an Earbuster, so you can assume that everyone who wasn't on your team or ISC's team will have the Mild Consequence "Partial Hearing Loss". (Turns out most people still have a reasonable degree of hearing after getting a ruptured eardrum.)

Noburi: "I mean, we aren't monsters,"

Well said. Only Noburi is a monster, clearly. Kabuto-sensei would be proud.
 
I'm gonna change it if that's fine; I don't wanna make people precommit to using strategies that we don't want to counter-precommit to.
I'm inclined to disagree with that. Shikamaru has an opportunity to shape STR's strategy into one specifically vulnerable to our strategy. It's a massive advantage; we shouldn't squander it just because we think we may come up with a better one.

Maybe agree on some signals we could send during the break day, which would mean that strategy has changed (and detailing natures of these changes?).
This is still super-time consuming, given that we didn't appear to have encountered any chakra beasts in the area (and it's supposed to be an old training ground, so there probably aren't any around anyway. I don't think it's a good use of our time.
Fair enough.
Noburi will also suggest running everyone through an Earbuster, so you can assume that everyone who wasn't on your team or ISC's team will have the Mild Consequence "Partial Hearing Loss". (Turns out most people still have a reasonable degree of hearing after getting a ruptured eardrum.)
Awesome! Maiming unconscious prisoners, woo! Too bad we weren't able to have Gomi experiment on them.
 
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If we're gonna resolve Hazou's problem with treating people as tools, we have to start somewhere.
That did come out a little blunter than I'd intended.

Hazo does needs to get better about thinking of people in more than functional terms, it's true. On the other hand we the hivemind are trying to change the world for the better. To do that we can't really afford to stop thinking about how people can help us with various problems. That's not to say that we shouldn't still treat people well, doing our best to ensure their feelings of happiness, belonging and self-actualization of their own goals. We should do that too, because it helps build bonds and it's the right thing to do.
 
Alright, some minor changes:
  • Re-added the seal list to be focused on making LBF/Goo Bombs/5SB. If you have thoguhts on this, ping me.
  • Moved the re-drain section up, and otherwise clarified it.
I'm inclined to disagree with that. Shikamaru has an opportunity to shape STR's strategy into one specifically vulnerable to our strategy. It's a massive advantage; we shouldn't squander it just because we think we may come up with a better one.

Maybe agree on some signals we could send during the break day, which would mean that strategy has changed (and detailing natures of these changes?).
Right, but me writing "steer ISC to using these tactics" should have the same effect, right?

I'm iffy on predetermined signals, we aren't likely to meet with them during the break and throwing up explosives during the 2hr time is...risky. I'll think on this.

Taking most of this stuff from MMKII's plan. Ping me.

Word count: 287

[X] Action Plan: Retroactive Partying
  • Run plan through Keiko/Noburi.
    • Maintain OPSEC (handsigns/Air Dome).
  • Don't jeopardize Round 2.
  • Stick together.
Retroactively:
  • To enemies:
    • Run through Earbuster (Mild Consequence).
    • Analyse combat capabilities, build profiles:
      • VD-check affinities.
      • Study equipment/physique.
      • Get ISC's knowledge.
    • Put stolen word-halves in Seventh Path.
    • Mess with them (if socially acceptable):
      • Perfumerate them + equipment.
      • Blunt + paint (visible at night) equipment.
    • Re-drain some prisoners to refresh unconsciousness near end of round.
      • Priority targets: Wakahisa, social specs, intelligence bloodlines, Team Kurenai...
      • Collaborate with ISC to determine priority targets.
  • Pangolins:
    • Maybe unsummoning some (Pandojuru, Pangaya), reducing chakra drain.
    • Summon Paneru: Casing/defense consultation.
      • Possibly requisition materials for R2. Pay with 5SB/gold.
  • Deliver prisoners to ISC.
    • "Honor the ransom terms".
    • Confirm details to keep story straight.
    • Help make anti-Gōketsu alliance:
      • Should we act super-confident or 'try' to undermine alliance?
      • Threaten to burn word halves (?).
    • Steer ISC to using these tactics:
      • Two-pronged assault on <required> safe aboveground path & underground assault.
        • We want to limit their attack vectors while having plans to counter this.
  • R2 prep:
    • Brainstorm plausible attacks/defenses.
    • Case locations with Pangolins for: tunneling defenses, Pangolin counterattack/ambush vectors, effective defensive artillery fire....
    • Make thin MEW sheets for 5SB.
      • Enough to defend outer walls/key rooms from inside.
      • Tie together (wire) & put in storage seals.
    • Make seals as time permits (LBF, Goo Bombs, 5SB...).
    • Test implosion seal anti-underground effectiveness/nonlethality (use clones).
Afterparty:
  • Socialize!
    • Jiraiya calls the shots.
    • Teammates:
      • Want to stay in touch.
      • Worked really well as a team.
      • (Subtly) Mention value of working relationship with Hokage's children.
    • Comment on growing legend, subtly discuss how to leverage (build/maintain reputation).
    • Ask if he wants us to remove Team Kurenai from tournament (goad Kiba?).
  • If Hana comes, maybe tell a story (OPSEC-sanitized).
 
Right, but me writing "steer ISC to using these tactics" should have the same effect, right?
ISC or STR? But yes, seems fine.
I'm iffy on predetermined signals, we aren't likely to meet with them during the break and throwing up explosives during the 2hr time is...risky. I'll think on this.
No, no. I meant dead drops with letters, or code phrases we could drop during a casual conversation shout out as we taunt SuperTeam Red into attacking us, etc. Clothing of particular color we could wear, meals we will chose to eat. Subtle social ones, not explosions (this time).
 
Yeah, saw that as I posted my thing. Added.


I'm against this. We are at or over the limit of socially acceptable harm. Also I don't want to hurt these teenagers more than we already have.

I am willing to replace slit heels with ruptured eardrums, but never both to the same person.

I still prefer slit heels. If we blow the eardrums of 50 teenagers, how many will suffer permanent hearing loss? Right now we have the respect of every Kage. I think this jeopardizes that.
 
ISC or STR? But yes, seems fine.
ISC, since they are leading STR and we're trying to convince them to steer them to using the tactics. Talking to STR makes it sound like we're telling Shin to do these things :p
No, no. I meant dead drops with letters, or code phrases we could drop during a casual conversation shout out as we taunt SuperTeam Red into attacking us, etc. Clothing of particular color we could wear, meals we will chose to eat. Subtle social ones, not explosions (this time).
If we were good at keeping this sort of thing on the down low we would never have gotten caught in the tunnel during the Fourth Event. Possible, but....
I'm against this. We are at or over the limit of socially acceptable harm. Also I don't want to hurt these teenagers more than we already have.

I am willing to replace slit heels with ruptured eardrums, but never both to the same person.

I still prefer slit heels. If we blow the eardrums of 50 teenagers, how many will suffer permanent hearing loss? Right now we have the respect of every Kage. I think this jeopardizes that.
But the...QMs...suggested it?
Noburi will also suggest running everyone through an Earbuster, so you can assume that everyone who wasn't on your team or ISC's team will have the Mild Consequence "Partial Hearing Loss". (Turns out most people still have a reasonable degree of hearing after getting a ruptured eardrum.)
I dunno. I'm keeping it for now, but am willing to be convinced. For the record, I still think we're fine in terms of socially acceptable harm.
 
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