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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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MadScientist said:
If Hazou hasn't also been retcon-proofed by his exposure to Oli's true form, then we need to first find out that Kagome is retcon-proof and then learn what he remembers the world being. Because it must be really isolating to have a totally accurate perception of reality that makes you look insane to everyone around you. We need to give him friends that understand and believe him in what he's experienced damnit.
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You know... given how we were talking even before this update, would it be reasonable for Hazou to ask about this kind of thing, regardless of him being retcon-proofed? Specifically, the idea of Kagome being able to remember reality even if sealing changes it.
 
[]Interlude: Memetic hazard youthsuits infect leaf , everyone has always been wearing them , anyone that sees one has always been wearing it .
Written records that mention clothing remain unchanged until an infected person reads them.
Only Guy ,Lee and kagome are unaffected.
Also the will of fire is now the will of youth .

(Imagining horrifying sealing failures is fun).
 
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eaglejarl said:
It's been long enough that there's no harm in telling you:

Y'all assumed that that was the jōnin-sensei of the squad that you intimidated back in "Epic Diplomancy". It was not. It was just one of the genin.

Honestly, we were quite surprised that y'all went there.
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In the same vein, could you also share who squatted in our abandoned fort when we came back from Hidden Mountain? @Velorien's interlude told us that it was a telescope merchant but that interlude was written much after the fact so who was the squatter initially? Or did you guys really plan that far in advance?
 
Using seals and chakra obviously makes you and nearby people slowly more crazy in different ways depending on the seal or jutsu(explosives make you more paranoid) , and that's why this is a deathworld and ninja are so crazy in general.
 
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FieryStarVictory said:
Using seals and chakra obviously makes you and surrounding person slowly more crazy in different ways depending on the seal or jutsu(explosives make you more paranoid) , and that's why this is a deathworld and ninja are so crazy in general.
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Isn't this pretty much canon? Chakra is formed in part from your spiritual energy, to an approximation anyway, and that means that using it and changing how it flows through your body is going to twist and warp your psychology.
 
Aabcehmu said:
Isn't this pretty much canon? Chakra is formed in part from your spiritual energy, to an approximation anyway, and that means that using it and changing how it flows through your body is going to twist and warp your psychology.
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Wouldn't that indicate that chakra was affected by one's psyche, not the other way around?
 
Aabcehmu said:
Isn't this pretty much canon? Chakra is formed in part from your spiritual energy, to an approximation anyway, and that means that using it and changing how it flows through your body is going to twist and warp your psychology.
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Thats not how those are supposed to interact. In Naruto canon chakra is basically just some more nuanced (and magical bullshit) version of Ki from Dragonball for all intents and purposes.
 
MMKII said:
Ehh, not necessarily. He could just be of a mind that *He* is perfectly aware of what a reasonable amount of caution is in the given instance since he has something like 30 years of sealing experience. He might not be convinced that we would always do the same. As mentioned in the (Retconned Swamp Update), Hazou hasnt really focused too much on anything but seal creation.
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I don't see any difference between what you said and what I said.
 
Briefvoice said:
I don't see any difference between what you said and what I said.
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Unless I really misunderstood you, I think we are both saying the following:

What you said:

He's not actually this paranoid, and its just an act to overcompensate for our (potential) teenage incompetence.

What I said:

He actually is this paranoid, but doesn't feel the need to talk about it constantly in his own internal monologue/in a journal entry because why would he?


But perhaps I didnt phrase my point clearly enough.
 
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MMKII said:
Unless I really misunderstood you, I think we are both saying the following:

What you said:

He's not actually this paranoid, and its just an act to overcompensate for our (potential) teenage incompetence.

What I said:

He actually is this paranoid, but doesn't feel the need to talk about it constantly in his own internal monologue/in a journal entry because why would he?


But perhaps I didnt phrase my point clearly enough.
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I don't know that "paranoid" is the right word, but things like:

They better have started treating Keiko better or we'll just see if there isn't a seal that will get me over to their stinking Seventh Path. Yeah, I'll show them what happens when you pick on my team. BOOM! (NB: Have to make sure the seal lets me go home quickly; then I could use the big stuff without having to worry about collateral damage or getting caught in it.)

(Note to self: investigate geospatial conditional triggers. Detonate if bearer deviates more than 5 miles from expected course? (NB: Long-delay fuse prob. work too...make them swallow before they leave, set to go off in three days, incl. message for Jiraiya-stinker. He prob. figure out how to cancel b4 boom.

I've been practicing with the Air Domes. Basics are working, but I still need to get rid of the chakra bleed when the dome forms—a lot less useful if they see what you're doing. Also, it would be better if they formed faster. Not as useful in a fight if they take half a second. Even better would be if I had a way to track their location instead of just remembering where they are. Those seals that Hazō keeps mumbling about (the casino ones) might be useful.
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indicate to me that Kagome is much more willing to innovate and indulge in experimental sealcrafting for exotic new effects than he's let on to Hazou. Sure he might be serious about the safety precautions he thinks are relevant, but the sort of stuff he's talking about here indicate a willingness to branch out into vastly new territory. He's not just making better explosive seals.
 
Briefvoice said:
indicate to me that Kagome is much more willing to innovate and indulge in experimental sealcrafting for exotic new effects than he's let on to Hazou. Sure he might be serious about the safety precautions he thinks are relevant, but the sort of stuff he's talking about here indicate a willingness to branch out into vastly new territory. He's not just making better explosive seals.
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All these are ideas. There are no sign that he will research them, much less studied their feasibility.
 
Briefvoice said:
I don't know that "paranoid" is the right word, but things like:



indicate to me that Kagome is much more willing to innovate and indulge in experimental sealcrafting for exotic new effects than he's let on to Hazou. Sure he might be serious about the safety precautions he thinks are relevant, but the sort of stuff he's talking about here indicate a willingness to branch out into vastly new territory. He's not just making better explosive seals.
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Kagome's reluctance to pursue new ideas is probably because the new ideas came from the naive inexperienced Hazou who Kagome can totally see running off and killing himself because he wasn't Properly Paranoid. I mean, he'd probably think the same of Jiraiya if a situation like that ever happened, but I agree that Kagome is less closed-minded about research ideas than his actions might have indicated.

Also, Kagome spent all those years in the woods where he didn't really need anything fancier than what he already had. Bigger explosions were just something he wanted to make because he liked explosions. Now that he's a Goketsu and there's all sorts of stuff going on he's got reason to want more oddball stuff like geospatial conditions.
 
Briefvoice said:
indicate to me that Kagome is much more willing to innovate and indulge in experimental sealcrafting for exotic new effects than he's let on to Hazou. Sure he might be serious about the safety precautions he thinks are relevant, but the sort of stuff he's talking about here indicate a willingness to branch out into vastly new territory. He's not just making better explosive seals.
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I think what "willing" means is a bit contextual. I dont think hes really unwilling to do research or innovate. I think the very nature of sealing research is predisposed towards things ending in nuclear fallout via

1001 Things That Could Go Wrong That Kagome Would Obviously Check For But Hazou Might Not Think Of Because He Hasnt Internalized Things To This Level Yet.


You have to consider it from Kagome's perspective: his mental model of his own knowledge and what he's thinking is almost literally perfect. His mental model of Hazous thought process is much less accurate. He is not blanket autobanning himself on research ideas because he knows what he is doing, and he is not going to write down some research ideas that haven't already passed his mental filter of "Will it blow up everything and turn the moon into grapes?".

So this IMO is not sufficient evidence for "Kagome's unwillingness to research XYZ with a seal" is an act.

Kagome is perfectly capable of researching seals, because in his mind he will always bring to bear sufficient caution because he is aware of the dangers and won't be tripped up by 1000 trivial details because he is an expert. From his point of view the same cannot be said of Hazou, because Hazou could very well die due to not accounting for countless trivial minutiae that an expert would have prepared for or corrected for almost unconsciously.

Tl;dr:

I view his unwillingness to research as unwillingness to let Hazou research things, specifically. But theres no reason to believe hes hamming it up to instill caution into us or something like that.
 
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faflec said:
Hey programmers: If you make a program that produces an arbitrarily large number of crashes (for any reason) would the computer ever shut down?
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If you mean "would the computer ever shut down" as in "on its own, the computer decides this shit is too buggy, so I quit", then I can't really picture that.

If you instead are talking about something like programs escaping their sandboxes and either causing a system malfunction such that the system itself either crashes or shuts down, then sure. That's semi-common in things like rooting phones/hacking video game systems/etc. Worst case scenario, from the machine-owner (if you assume the person running the software isn't the machine owner) is that the software takes advantage of flaws in the hardware and gains full control to rewrite any and every part of the underlying systems, with the machine having no way of knowing that it has been subverted.
 
faflec said:
Hey programmers: If you make a program that produces an arbitrarily large number of crashes (for any reason) would the computer ever shut down?
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Unlikely. Most commonly, the application crashes and you're back at the desktop. Next most likely is that the operating system crashes and you get a Blue Screen of Death (or the equivalent for non-Windows platforms). It's very unlikely that a software error could actually cause the machine to power down.
 
eaglejarl said:
Unlikely. Most commonly, the application crashes and you're back at the desktop. Next most likely is that the operating system crashes and you get a Blue Screen of Death (or the equivalent for non-Windows platforms). It's very unlikely that a software error could actually cause the machine to power down.
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Excuse my ignorance and pedantry:

Software exploits or errors could still cause a shutdown by abusing pre-existing protocols and settings.

Ex: I run something that takes up almost 100% of the available system resources and causes the hardware to slowly overheat. The computer then powers down after the internal temperature exceeds a preset safety level.

(Of course I would hope whatever technology the ChakraAI is running on isnt vulnerable to such trivial nonsense. That would be frightening.)
 
eaglejarl said:
And the Oxford comma, apparently. The strippers will be so sad.

Strippers, JFK, and Stalin Illustrate Why You Should Use the Serial Comma
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Herman Melville, the author of Moby Dick, and I would disadvise you of the notion that English can be aught but intrinsically inseparably and indispensably ambiguous─nay, I try all things, I achieve what I can; our language a gam of songs, our punctuation a harpoon to reel it in. For if a stripper stood lone in the middle, Kennedy might not so kindly view upon the Oxford comma.
 
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Veedrac said:
Herman Melville, the author of Moby Dick, and I would disadvise you of the notion that English can be aught but intrinsically inseparably and indespensibly ambiguous─nay, I try all things, I achieve what I can; our language a gam of songs, our punctuation a harpoon to reel it in. For if a stripper stood lone in the middle, Kennedy might not so kindly view upon the Oxford comma.
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What about the author of Moby Dick? That seems to be an incomplete clause :p
 
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