Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
The worry isnt them breaking out, its someone else breaking them out and throwing them out into the middle of the room to negate our points minmaxing bullshit.
Allright, if we have enough prisoners for this to be a concern then we have enough chakra to be MEWing people in.
- Location
- US
I thought Noburi could only hold so much. Therefore, once everyone is topped off, all the other chakra is sprayed out like confetti on New Years Eve.
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
You're overlooking the fact that this is a significant time sink as well. Top teams will have all their word-halves hidden in a book hidden in a chest hidden in a storage scroll, and they won't help us find them. We can't guarantee that we will take all, or even most, of word-halves.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
This is a serious question.
Yes. But it's not particularly relevant given that the constraining factor is chakra-required-per-hour. The Pangolins drain a certain amount, so it's not like we'll be for want of chakra capacity, just chakra.
- Location
- Yes.
ehhhh...I don't think @eaglejarl will screw us over like this? And I don't see Keiko/Noburi ICly letting us give up too much explosives.
I specifically stated that there should be room for air.
They're going to be on their person since proctors are meant to check them, and there's nothing stopping us from straight up taking the storage scroll wholesale.
- Location
- US
At the risk of running foul of rules I don't know, we could strip every opponent down to underwear, seal all their equipment and sort it all out later.
On the downside, the Goketsu name will never escape its lecherous, perverted roots.
My problem is that I don't see this going as swimmingly as you seem to think it might. We're going to have people escape us, or who we just don't find.
And frankly I'm far more worried about this escort nonsense. Just take the documents and turn them in on the other Red Teams' behest if its that big of a deal. (but only if we've disabled that team)
The worry is someone else releasing them. Which, quite frankly, is only a worry if one of their teammates escapes. There's no incentive for other teams to really help the other teams, outside of maybe finding their village mates.
OR they'll just have them on their person, because storage scrolls are expensive and not everyone can afford them.
- Location
- US
- Location
- Yes.
I don't think it'll work? We'd have to summon Panjandrum just to lug them, not to mention make a ridiculously oversized wheelbarrow to carry all of them.
Can we...do that?
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- Location
- US
The trouble is that we don't know, and we can't find out due to proctor stuff.
The risk is we turn them in, but to no additional effect. It is strictly equal to or better than burning the documents.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
We have cloth. It'd be awkward, but we could just strap them to him.
Just hurt everyone badly enough that by the time we run out of chakra the pangolins are no longer needed.
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
Ah. Fair enough.
I wouldn't be so optimistic as to assume this.
- Location
- Yes.
Yes, we should.halp
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
I disagree; I don't think there's more useful detail aside from "apply force quickly and effectively". Our PCs have agency; they have the combat experience, this is exactly what we gave them agency for.
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- US
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Our characters don't need handholding as far as how to apply their ninja magic in a combat situation.
Unless someone here is a military tactician experienced in ninja combat, I don't think we can offer any meaningful advice beyond the tactics given.
Unless someone here is a military tactician experienced in ninja combat, I don't think we can offer any meaningful advice beyond the tactics given.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
I mean, sure, we can say that... but we can make aspect bonuses like [Breach and Clear] -- which EJ has already confirmed we can get -- by putting a line in like "breach from all three non-entry sides of the facility after done scouting and taking out outlying nin."
Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
- Location
- Snarksville, Snarkland
Even though I wasn't selected, I'm still going to run MadEye.exe and see what gets spit out.
This is an inordinate amount of questions to ask the proctor, and you can be certain they will not answer all of them. Most likely, they will get annoyed after the first two. Prune all but the following (and change the prioritization in which they are asked), as the others either have a low probability of being answered, we can already guess the answers, or will have minimal impact on our plans this round:
Don't consider this. Do it.
Why? Assume the question will come up. That's important information, and as you state, it's risky to hold on to them. In fact, holding on to a bunch of word halves makes all of us a target. I would not expect our squad to go along with this without due justification.
At bare minimum, let them know that we intend to securely store these in the Seventh Path.
State who and why to avoid any confusions. Add guidelines for criteria on refusal, if someone requests we do more than just let them keep word halves.
Remind people that some of these are lethal. Encourage them to keep the less-than-lethal options separate from the lethal ones. This does in fact not go without saying.
Simply do not do this. Let them know why we need the chakra, and then ask for it. If anyone refuses, do not press the issue. We cannot afford inter-team conflicts.
Do not do this. State upfront that we are unwilling to provide details about Leaf teams. Do not compromise, and simply move on from the subject if pressed.
This is unacceptable and tantamount to asking QMs to do the work for us. In fact, the balance should be to kick as much ass as is ninjaly possibly so they don't even think to fuck with us R2.
How? Be explicit. Who is grouped where? How do we approach?
State again that these should be aimed high, or at the building itself, to avoid incompetent teammates killing someone.
And do what?
Suggest that we have Panashe on hand for this eventuality. It will happen. Having her ready will help mitigate that.
Explicitly state that we will not inflict consequences if they surrender. This provides incentive.
We didn't ask this question. Add it. (See above).
This is an inordinate amount of questions to ask the proctor, and you can be certain they will not answer all of them. Most likely, they will get annoyed after the first two. Prune all but the following (and change the prioritization in which they are asked), as the others either have a low probability of being answered, we can already guess the answers, or will have minimal impact on our plans this round:
- Does the round end for us when we turn in our documents? (*)
- If proctors won't be on-site all the time, how are they going to enforce the rules about severe injuries and about simulating T&I facilities?
- If a contestant withdraws to a medic, can they gain positive points for the round? Could they still lose points?
- If a Red Team turns in documents from another facility, who receives the points? Nobody, this Red Team, or the Red Team assigned to that facility? Does the corresponding Blue Team loses points?
- If someone suffers a lasting injury this round, will they receive a penalty for this injury at the end of the next round as well?
Don't consider this. Do it.
Why? Assume the question will come up. That's important information, and as you state, it's risky to hold on to them. In fact, holding on to a bunch of word halves makes all of us a target. I would not expect our squad to go along with this without due justification.
At bare minimum, let them know that we intend to securely store these in the Seventh Path.
State who and why to avoid any confusions. Add guidelines for criteria on refusal, if someone requests we do more than just let them keep word halves.
Remind people that some of these are lethal. Encourage them to keep the less-than-lethal options separate from the lethal ones. This does in fact not go without saying.
Simply do not do this. Let them know why we need the chakra, and then ask for it. If anyone refuses, do not press the issue. We cannot afford inter-team conflicts.
Do not do this. State upfront that we are unwilling to provide details about Leaf teams. Do not compromise, and simply move on from the subject if pressed.
- X We do not have any contingencies for keeping them there once put into cells. It is highly unlikely this will gain us anything or lose our opponents points; even if they're chakra drained and unconscious, I would expect most ninja to wake up, and be able to escape by the end of the day if not supervised.
- X Additionally, the very fact that they are in a cell will almost certainly count as "being restrained". We are not going to be able to prevent the blue teams from gaining points by clever loopholes here. Instead, we should do one of the following:
- In fact restrain them using ninja wire on their hands and feet.
- (Optional) Additionally, line the outside of the cells with nonlethal traps that will deter or incapacitate them again if they attempt to escape (goo bombs, alarm seals, training tags).
- Drag their unconscious bodies to the med tent so they cannot gain positive points.
- In fact restrain them using ninja wire on their hands and feet.
- X This is unnecessary effort which puts us at risk (travelling to a predictable location completing an objective that no less than nine of our enemies would prefer us not complete), and does not change the score totals overmuch. In short, this level of optimization is not worth the effort and risk on our part.
This is unacceptable and tantamount to asking QMs to do the work for us. In fact, the balance should be to kick as much ass as is ninjaly possibly so they don't even think to fuck with us R2.
How? Be explicit. Who is grouped where? How do we approach?
State again that these should be aimed high, or at the building itself, to avoid incompetent teammates killing someone.
And do what?
Suggest that we have Panashe on hand for this eventuality. It will happen. Having her ready will help mitigate that.
Explicitly state that we will not inflict consequences if they surrender. This provides incentive.
We didn't ask this question. Add it. (See above).
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Oh hey forgot to change my vote.
[X] Action Plan: Zabuza the Pangolin
[X] Action Plan: Zabuza the Pangolin
- Location
- Yes.
I...you know in hindsight everyone's KO'd. So Keiko would be talking to unconscious enemies.
I might end up deleting this.