Move away from full blown narrative planning, full stop. Or if you don't want to do that, not use it as frequently.
Like, there's parts of the quest that needs only a few multiple choice questions to be answered.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Move away from full blown narrative planning, full stop. Or if you don't want to do that, not use it as frequently.
Like, there's parts of the quest that needs only a few multiple choice questions to be answered.
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- Under a Rock
Do we think the event can still be salvaged?
I don't think Hazou's score can recover, he is probably out of the tournament, if not the exam. They know our identity, and that is going to get broadcast.
Which have three options.
EDIT: or we could go the snow blind route again. Create dozens of announcements declaring the identity of various people.
I don't think Hazou's score can recover, he is probably out of the tournament, if not the exam. They know our identity, and that is going to get broadcast.
Which have three options.
- Sacrificial lamb. The rest of team uplift can still get in.
- Force the perpetrators into silence. Very hard to do.
- Rig the game. Requires compromising the ballot. Very, very hard.
EDIT: or we could go the snow blind route again. Create dozens of announcements declaring the identity of various people.
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- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Voting is higher investment than rating so we're always going to have that kind of ratio (sort of like the 90:9:1 view/contribute/create rule), but I can think of a way or two to increase the number of voters.
First idea is to keep an overview of current plans edited in at the end of the update (checking the vote tally is higher investment than reading the end of the update), allowing readers to more easily form opinions on the plans and take that to discussion and voting. The downside, of course, is that you'd have to keep track of the plans and keep editing them in.
A second idea is for us to go and find places where this story hasn't been mentioned and advertise it there, increasing the readerbase and thus the voterbase proportionately. The downside, of course, is that this requires people to actively bring up something unconnected to the site they're on in hopes of catching peoples' attention, and people often aren't comfortable doing things like that.
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100% disagree with this. What makes MFD great is that players have meaning full choices to make. My advice would be to ratchet up the tension even more.
Honestly one of the reasons I've stepped away from the quest is that there's very little meaningful choice in the chunnin exam. It's all super boring. It's like the courier mission all over
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Why do you think Hazou's score can't recover? Only 10 people know he's a ninja.
I would suggest pinning a post that contains all the votes to the top of the thread. (I think that's a thing you can do now?)
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- Yes.
Including Team Downfall, who are 10/10 going to tell everyone who we are.
So long as plans end up being long and complex, you're going to only have a few people who are comfortable voting on anything, and it's my observation that people tend to vote less when quests are run purely by write-in voting in general. Most people are not willing to invest their time in reading several long plans and trying to understand what is good or bad about them. IMO it would take changing how this quest runs in general to get significantly more voters. Whether that's worth it or not is entirely up to you guys.
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I see. Okay, that makes sense. Sorry for snapping at you; I do understand why this bothers you, but I hope you agree that we handled it correctly.
Stretching to their limits the boundaries of appropriate QM / player communications regarding not sharing OOC information, I will note that chapter 188 was filled with important information and brilliantly written by a very pro-punching QM who was irked by y'all's refusal to have a proper "punch ALL the things!" plan during the swamp event, and that said QM, whomsoever he may be, will not be fully satisfied by a measly tournament.
Fair points both. Would it be workable for people to simply add the link to their signature here on SV?
Huh. Sorry to hear this. What would more meaningful choice look like? When do you feel you've had the most meaningful choices, across the entire span of the quest?
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- The state of Paranoia
Become Zabuza. Tell someone that you heard from So And So that X Person is Hazou Goketsu. Tell someone else that Y Person is Hazou. Etc.
The problem with this idea is that whoever drained us may have already told everyone who we are, in which case it's going to be very difficult to get anyone to believe us.
Ideally, we would get a lot of people, including information brokers, to spread the word.
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- Under a Rock
All this talk about raising participation is really excellent, and we should get back to it after 9 am New York time tomorrow.
except for one thing: Has this been advertised on r/rational before? I think they would be into it.
except for one thing: Has this been advertised on r/rational before? I think they would be into it.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
If you wanted to incentivize that, you could offer a 1 XP (or .5, whichever might be more appropriate) bounty per person that does. This would also incentivize players to find other players to join.
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- uk
That's only bonus points for everyone who names us as leaf, not malus points for us. So like losing 5 points .
If we can get to the state where every ninja is guessed by everyone, we can recover with secret roles.
May I interest anyone in a nuclear apocalypse?
Don't even joke about that, Maddie, they'd go for it...
Riiiight. Honestly, this is probably in the top ten worst situations we've been. But! We've beaten worse. So let's repeat performance, huh?
The easy part is escaping our inevitable demise. Tunnel out, misterator blast to obscure our sight line. Pangolin Pepper blast to disable everyone nearby. Noburi navigates us to safety through the mist. The next step is to steal chakra off someone and replenish Team Uplift's collective reserves. See if we can locate Team Letdown. Then we get a message off to Jiraiya, explaining the situation. Hopefully he can either give us explicit information for how we can salvage the situation or sic mind-games-Kakashi on the problem.
The hard part is winning the event. We need to somehow get the people who know our identity DQ'd. Which by now might be actually everyone because Fucking Shin. Starting a battle royale on purpose is starting to look inviting.
Don't even joke about that, Maddie, they'd go for it...
Riiiight. Honestly, this is probably in the top ten worst situations we've been. But! We've beaten worse. So let's repeat performance, huh?
The easy part is escaping our inevitable demise. Tunnel out, misterator blast to obscure our sight line. Pangolin Pepper blast to disable everyone nearby. Noburi navigates us to safety through the mist. The next step is to steal chakra off someone and replenish Team Uplift's collective reserves. See if we can locate Team Letdown. Then we get a message off to Jiraiya, explaining the situation. Hopefully he can either give us explicit information for how we can salvage the situation or sic mind-games-Kakashi on the problem.
The hard part is winning the event. We need to somehow get the people who know our identity DQ'd. Which by now might be actually everyone because Fucking Shin. Starting a battle royale on purpose is starting to look inviting.
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We can't contact Jiraiya, since the check-in is sunrise/sunset. It's 9AM so sunrise is shot, and sunset is when the Event ends.
You know what I vote for? Find Akane, set up Elemental Mastery. Mass DQ from sudden onset heat stroke into mass Henge popping.
I am going to say this:
I am not excited by the Chunin exam and I want to go home. It is not something that I considered worthwhile. It is three or two months of in-game time that we could have spent on researching seals, developing the economy, cooperating to make sure that Leaf wins.
Really, the only worthwhile thing we did was meeting Hazō's mom, and Keiko's sister.
We are only spending time here, because that's what Jiraiya wanted and thought it was necessary.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
As a counterpoint to the other players, I've found the chuunin exams quite enjoyable, though I'd rather there be more time for politicksing with Mist clans, etc.
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- Yes.
This isn't playing dirty. Playing dirty would be if we decided to use a dirty bomb.
We had way more than 16 hours to plan. We had over a week. I know because my plan that's getting shit-talked was mostly written days in advance, and I just posted it in the thread from my offline notes.
And you know what, I stand by that we had a week and still failed to come up with better ideas. Hell, if we had made rather that failed a couple of Alertness rolls... ah well. But really, if anyone had a brilliant idea other than One Fell Swoop (there to vote for if you wanted) I still haven't heard it.
And you know what, I stand by that we had a week and still failed to come up with better ideas. Hell, if we had made rather that failed a couple of Alertness rolls... ah well. But really, if anyone had a brilliant idea other than One Fell Swoop (there to vote for if you wanted) I still haven't heard it.
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- The state of Paranoia
For the record, I do consider a potential alliance with Mist, the chance to gain more information about Naruto, opportunities to interact with genin from many other villages and spread the Good News of uplift to them, all while helping cement Jiraiya as Hokage, to be worth it.
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Sorry if this comes off as combative. What I mean to say is that I think you are underestimating the amount of things we can only do here, and I think they do outweigh what we could do back home.
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I will point out that we don't need to win this event. We just need to do well enough not to be disqualified before the next one, presuming that the next round will have groups be disqualified, which is not a given. Of course, sabotaging everyone else is a viable strategy if we think that our identity is too compromised.
Also, eaglejarl has hinted that the next event might be combat related since he won't be satisfied with only punching, so we'll need to do well there.
Also, eaglejarl has hinted that the next event might be combat related since he won't be satisfied with only punching, so we'll need to do well there.
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If we where actually involved in finding Naruto or securing the alliance sure. But we are just kinda here not doing anything
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- The state of Paranoia
We helped via the team from Demon. I think we might be able to find something out from them ourselves if we survive this. We aren't directly forming the alliance, but we can give Jiraiya little boosts maybe, like with Lizardbreath.
Drasky
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I'd like to point out I'm really enjoying the Exam Arc for the most part.
There are some parts that I felt like the players got shortchanged in the third test. They came with a great plan that secured them the first place in that exam but got only half the points even though Keiko recognized the ploy beforehand.
There are some parts that I felt like the players got shortchanged in the third test. They came with a great plan that secured them the first place in that exam but got only half the points even though Keiko recognized the ploy beforehand.
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