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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Briefvoice said:
I question bloodline, mechanical ability, seal, fighting styles, and favored environment. Seals do stuff which you can take advantage of; they aren't flat skill enhancers*. "Favored Environment" would be best modeled by an appropriate aspect which you then activate with a Fate point.

I don't know what "mechanical ability" would even mean. And the point of fighting styles is that not everyone can have them. If everyone can have them, then they should just get folded back into the general taijutsu skill. In fact, in cases where bloodlines contribute to combat power they usually seem to to so by enabling a combat style, so you're double-dipping.

*And if you want to start pointing at Kagome as an example, I think he was a mechanical mistake, not something to be emulated.
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I'm certainly no thought police, you're welcome to believe what you want. Just a friendly warning: live in denial of Lightning Punch McPuncherson's capabilities at your own risk.
 
Radvic said:
I sent the optimization principles with a few samples to the QMs a while ago, I've avoided posting anything too explicit about them in thread (or engaging too much in optimization conversations aside when direct asked) in part so they they can properly model Hazou not having access to the best teachers during his developmental phases, but you're welcome to hunt down my various posts in the thread, as I didn't try too hard to keep it secret. I'd suggest starting by searching for posts I've made recently with the word "jutsu" in them to get a general feel of how strong the NPCs will be, though note that I'd expect a bunch of them to use the more detailed routes I've outlined to the QMs explicitly, which can add a few score points to their stats in the right situations.

That said, it's unlikely *all* the genin will be rolling over 100 combat dice when surprised (I assume there will be a few social spec'd genin as well).
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Eh? Isn't Hazou kind of... still in his developmental phase? Also, while Hazou didn't have the best teachers, he still had his mother who was a proper jounin and former clan heir.

e: Also, I feel like the fact that we've played in this quest for so long would give us an idea of the numbers we'd be facing (ie, fighting Joutarou and Arikada, practicing with Minami and seeing her in action, however briefly).

So it's kind of unfair to deprive us of that given that we knew that in the old system.
 
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... Okay, you got me. I said the "Radvic optimisations" part was unbelievable, but now I'm not really sure about it at all. Is Radvic playing along with the joke, mixing the truth with technical honesty and falsehoods, or is that part entirely real? What other parts are real, if so?

Did EagleJarl really write BDSM smut? Does OliWhail really have a harem? Or are those merely their second-stage jokes, a follow-up to the obvious, but effective first stage? I don't know, and I'm now questioning the nature of reality I inhibit.

An April Fools' done right. Back to lurking.
 
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Noumero said:
... Okay, you got me. I said the "Radvic optimisations" part was unbelievable, but now I'm not really sure about it at all. Is Radvic playing along with the joke, mixing the truth with technical honesty and falsehoods, or is that part entirely real? What other parts are real, if so?

Did EagleJarl really write BDSM smut? Does OliWhail really have a harem? Or are those merely their second-stage jokes, a follow-up to the obvious, but effective first stage? I don't know, and I'm now questioning the nature of reality I inhibit.

An April Fools' done right. Back to lurking.
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No, eaglejarl really did write BDSM, and OliWhail really does have a harem, though he'd probably object to it being called that.

Or am I in on the joke too? Hm, hm.
 
Noumero said:
... Okay, you got me. I said the "Radvic optimisations" part was unbelievable, but now I'm not really sure about it at all. Is Radvic playing along with the joke, mixing the truth with technical honesty and falsehoods, or is that part entirely real? What other parts are real, if so?

Did EagleJarl really write BDSM smut? Does OliWhail really have a harem? Or are those merely their second-stage jokes, a follow-up to the obvious, but effective first stage? I don't know, and I'm now questioning the nature of reality I inhibit.

An April Fools' done right. Back to lurking.
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Yes.
 
Well, at least I have one day to disbelieve anything horrible that happens in the next update before the reality of the situation sets in.
 
Noumero said:
... Okay, you got me. I said the "Radvic optimisations" part was unbelievable, but now I'm not really sure about it at all. Is Radvic playing along with the joke, mixing the truth with technical honesty and falsehoods, or is that part entirely real? What other parts are real, if so?
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I can't comment on the rest, but I will say that I do my best to not outright lie or write falsehoods in posts (though I'm certainly not always right, especially when I don't spend a long time writing up something). I'm also fine with deception so long as the key claims I make are true and the incorrect beliefs are just implied on my end.
 
Radvic said:
I can't comment on the rest, but I will say that I do my best to not outright lie or write falsehoods in posts (though I'm certainly not always right, especially when I don't spend a long time writing up something). I'm also fine with deception so long as the key claims I make are true and the incorrect beliefs are just implied on my end.
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I also note that it's rather unfair to have given them jutsus and not us, since a large part of the reason that we have so few jutsus is lack of QM spoons. I mean, we've been under Jiraiya for months, and we learned 0 jutsu from him and 0 seals from him in that time.
 
Cariyaga said:
I also note that it's rather unfair to have given them jutsus and not us, since a large part of the reason that we have so few jutsus is lack of QM spoons. I mean, we've been under Jiraiya for months, and we learned 0 jutsu from him and 0 seals from him in that time.
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Didn't we learn a few seals (chime series comes to mind) and Hiding Like a Mole?
 
Radvic said:
Didn't we learn a few seals (chime series comes to mind) and Hiding Like a Mole?
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Chime seals we got from the Nara. Hiding Like a Mole I'll give you, but I'm not certain we got it from him. My point is that we (or I, at least) have been intentionally not exploiting all the resources available (namely, Jiraiya) out of respect for the QMs' spoons. That the NPCs will now exploit those resources seems... less than ideal.
 
Cariyaga said:
Chime seals we got from the Nara. Hiding Like a Mole I'll give you, but I'm not certain we got it from him. My point is that we (or I, at least) have been intentionally not exploiting all the resources available (namely, Jiraiya) out of respect for the QMs' spoons. That the NPCs will now exploit those resources seems... less than ideal.
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I'm fairly certain we wouldn't have gotten the technique without having access to Jiraiya's resources.

Side note: We also learned Echolocation jutsu, Jiraiya's version of Pangolin Tunneling jutsu, Kirigakure...
 
faflec said:
I'm fairly certain we wouldn't have gotten the technique without having access to Jiraiya's resources.

Side note: We also learned Echolocation jutsu, Jiraiya's version of Pangolin Tunneling jutsu, Kirigakure...
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The only one of those that he taught us (IIRC) was Pangolin Tunneling jutsu though.

e: I did mention Jiraiya as the resource we weren't exploiting fully, not his contacts. And honestly I'd be really surprised if we couldn't have gotten most of those techniques from Leaf regardless.
 
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faflec said:
The only one we know he personally taught us, yes. But honestly the difference between us learning directly from Jiraiya and us learning from individuals using Jiraiya's resources/favors is negligible FMPOV.
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I mean, there is a difference, though. Techniques from other people we could have easily gotten through our own efforts independently of Jiraiya. We might have owed favors ourselves, but we could have. We didn't because we didn't have to and because it was easier/faster to not waste update time on that stuff.

Techniques from Jiraiya are techniques from an S-rank ninja that's fought through multiple wars.
 
Cariyaga said:
I mean, there is a difference, though. Techniques from other people we could have easily gotten through our own efforts independently of Jiraiya. We might have owed favors ourselves, but we could have. We didn't because we didn't have to and because it was easier/faster to not waste update time on that stuff.

Techniques from Jiraiya are techniques from an S-rank ninja that's fought through multiple wars.
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Key word: Easily. I do not think we could have easily gotten Hiding in the Mist or Echolocation or Hiding Like a Mole given the few months we had in Leaf. We simply didn't have the time, between the word-traveling mission, salvaging our clan finances, and our other preparations for the Exams.

As for those S-rank techniques Jiraiya undoubtedly has...I do not believe that he trusts us enough to teach them to us, and probably won't until we're Jonin at the least. That's from a "I don't know if you'll break under torture, since you're still a kid and have had no T&I training" and a "I don't know if you'll spill it accidentally, like literally every other OPSEC fuckup you've made" perspective.
 
faflec said:
Key word: Easily. I do not think we could have easily gotten Hiding in the Mist or Echolocation or Hiding Like a Mole given the few months we had in Leaf. We simply didn't have the time, between the word-traveling mission, salvaging our clan finances, and our other preparations for the Exams.

As for those S-rank techniques Jiraiya undoubtedly has...I do not believe that he trusts us enough to teach them to us, and probably won't until we're Jonin at the least. That's from a "I don't know if you'll break under torture, since you're still a kid and have had no T&I training" and a "I don't know if you'll spill it accidentally, like literally every other OPSEC fuckup you've made" perspective.
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I wasn't meaning S-rank techniques. But there are certainly techniques that are more valuable than Hiding Like a Mole, Echolocation, and Hiding in the Mist that he could teach us. We, particularly Hazou, are a large part of his political maneuvering in Leaf (I can forgive him for not realizing Ren was the Mizukage at least :p), so it would have been to his advantage to make us as powerful as he could with the exception of techniques whose release could damage Leaf.
 
Cariyaga said:
I wasn't meaning S-rank techniques. But there are certainly techniques that are more valuable than Hiding Like a Mole, Echolocation, and Hiding in the Mist that he could teach us. We, particularly Hazou, are a large part of his political maneuvering in Leaf (I can forgive him for not realizing Ren was the Mizukage at least :p), so it would have been to his advantage to make us as powerful as he could with the exception of techniques whose release could damage Leaf.
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I'm honestly not seeing how the jutsu that we've gotten, which are immensely powerful utility jutsu that synergize with us and we can actually use in ninja situations and are jutsu we actually want, aren't top-of-the-line jutsu just below S-class. What sorts of jutsu are you thinking of?
 
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