- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
@Ronan O'Brien : That gets all the feels. Thank you, it's a brilliant Christmas present.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
@Sigil, we cannot print seals with a printing press. The specific order and thickness of brushstrokes matters, you can't just stamp them down at once. Maybe possibly we could specifically research seals that are designed to be stamped, but I would want to hold off on that until like Sealing 25.
Kalkin
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- Location
- AK
The wiki says:
"The tag is destroyed by the inrushing air, which causes all the air that it sealed to reappear in a small area, at which point it goes surging out with enough force to wreck a building."
About the implosion seal. Do storage seals act the same way when destroyed? Couldn't we use a giant pile of storage seals in conjunction with a unmanned glider and a sufficiently high platform to level a city at night?
"The tag is destroyed by the inrushing air, which causes all the air that it sealed to reappear in a small area, at which point it goes surging out with enough force to wreck a building."
About the implosion seal. Do storage seals act the same way when destroyed? Couldn't we use a giant pile of storage seals in conjunction with a unmanned glider and a sufficiently high platform to level a city at night?
- Location
- Phoenix, AZ
My understanding is that breaking a storage seal normally causes the sealed object to be unsealed. That said, I've also never seen us particularly concerned about storage seals being damaged while we've been ninja-ing (and we've got quite a few of them normally), so I'm unsure.
Kalkin
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- Location
- AK
That'd still work for a more targeted strike. Multiple 100kg payloads falling from above would damage a structure pretty badly. I wonder what techniques hidden villages have for detecting something flying above the village at night time.
- Location
- Phoenix, AZ
Yep. Plan "carpet bomb via storage seal" is, so far as we can tell, the primary offensive advantage we may have given Jiraiya by revealing the sealing towers (ignoring the obvious uses as observation and communication platforms). Like, before you needed an elite ninja who had some weird flying jutsu which still allowed them to unseal things for carpet bombing. Now you can just use a genin or two with some easily mass-produced seals.
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
Boy is he gonna be happy when we give him the ability to unseal shit a kilometer up and ten away
Omake: Santaa
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
Merry Christmas, everybody!
A couple of guys asked me to draw something for this quest, so here's the christmas pangolin, Santaa!
Santaa: Hello Boys and Girls! I'm Santaa, here to bring you coal and insects!
Pankara: Pandaa, what the hell are you doing?
Pankara: First of all, it's 3 am, he's asleep. But ok, fine, the food is actually nice, but why are you giving him this pile of coal?
Pandaa: Well, the humans give it to good children so they don't freeze to death in the winter. Godvolume happens right before the coldest nights of the year after all. Panfor has been good this year, right? You don't want him to freeze to death?
Pankara: I ... It's not even winter. Seasons are a human path thing. Panfor won't freeze to death even if he doesn't have coal! What is he supposed to do with coal, here, in the real world?
Pandaa: ... burn it for warmth?
Pankara:
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
Random question, @eaglejarl @Velorien: Has Hazou ever heard of a limit to the number of times you can use a storage seal before it stops working?
OKAY KIDDOS, TIME TO GET BACK ON THAT ACTION PLAN GRIND!
General thoughts:
Idle thought:
OKAY KIDDOS, TIME TO GET BACK ON THAT ACTION PLAN GRIND!
General thoughts:
- I really like the thought of apologizing to Auntie, and to Team Sarutobi more generally, in an attempt to not look like Kagome is contagious. Plus, Kagome and Auntie can be nerds together. Offering to help out gives us a chance to scope out what subjects are available, as will making friends with Auntie.
- Get Kagome woodworking and cooking books once we get paid.
- The hivemind has reason to think that Kei really likes spending time with Tenten. We don't know if she throws kunai that way yet, or at all, but we should probably still encourage them to spend time together.
- Now that we know the team is, in principle, okay with getting mom out, we should put forward and prune plans to suggest to J when we meet him about rewards. We should also consider when to have that conversation, since asking for training might let us stay in Leaf longer were we to get kicked out.
- We really need to go repair whatever damage that parting shot did to Akane's mood.
- Talk with Nara about the part of his book we actually read. Need to know what was in it first.
- Noburi's continued internship: offer Kabuto observation of learning techniques, continue to keep him happy. How much time left on Noburi finishing his barrel?
- ALL THE OPSEC CONTINGENCIES EVER. INCLUDE THEM. SWEET BABY JESUS. WHY ARE WE SO BAD AT THIS.
- Don't mention family
- Don't mention bloodlines
- Don't mention training or techniques except in the context of being about-to-train or rewards
- Continue randomized dispelling
- ???
- MOAR DE-STRESSING.
- Contingencies from the last couple plans
- Default to CCnJ for any nontrivial interpersonal interactions (discussing the ramifications of our prank with Ino, bringing up our romantic difficulties to Mari, suggesting we sell copies of the macerator, asking to borrow Nara's book...)
- Don't piss off Leaf
- Be polite to everyone we meet
- Listen to our handlers and follow their (reasonable) instructions to the letter
- However, be suspicious of any Leaf nin who are not Akane, Jiraiya, or Team Asuma.
- Try to minimize Kagome's stress level by not making him talk too much / interact with non-teammates if he doesn't feel like it, keeping close-by, encouraging him to eat any of the nice food we get that have already been checked for poison, esp. sweets and chocolate.
- Safety and Security Rules
- Default to not splitting the party
- Keep a watch in our room even at night
- Make sure we all have whatever the local equivalent of white flags are
- When in public, try to stick to areas with a reasonable number of civilians and other ninja
- Combat contingencies
- White tactics by default
- Use any panic buttons Jiraiya has given us (none yet, sounds like)
- Try to leave the city or converge on Jiraiya's office to turn ourselves in. Make sure we're doing the equivalent of waving white flags.
- If we aren't able to immediately disengage, end the update for combat planning.
- Assume we are being spied on at pretty much all times by multiple parties
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- Our desire to arrange our mom's extraction from Mist, and our concerns about how that could impact the rest of the group.
- Does Inoue-sensei think this is even a feasible thing to ask with a favor, or stacked favors, given Hana's large motivation to defect to work for J specifically and the additional utility she provides to our team in the form of jounin combat strength and decades of experience?
- Ask if there is anyone else we would need to extract at the same, and whether we should avoid doing so at all to avoid putting Inoue-senei's family at risk.
- Any Wakahisa or Mori clan members would be more difficult to extract but also less likely to provoke huge reprisals from Yagura.
- Mom would be a valuable resource, but also an addition to the team - are others okay with that idea?
- Our desire to arrange our mom's extraction from Mist, and our concerns about how that could impact the rest of the group.
- If the topic of why Fire isn't a model for what Hazou wants to acheive comes up again, consider drawing from
When you asked why Fire wasn't a utopia, I was confused because you had practically just said the answer yourself: none of the major players can trust each other, because each of them consider only their own people to have any moral weight. And that is what you said, that you would sleep well after killing a foreign citizen to save a Leaf one. Not that you would consider it a necessary tragedy to protect the people you care about, and not that you would devote so much as a second of thought toward avoiding having to make that choice again in the future, and you said all your counterparts in other villages feel the same way.
When the whole world does that, then everyone looks like monsters to everyone else. At that point, it's even easier to say all foreigners are morally irrelevant, trapping the entire world in a spiral of indifference and hatred, so we get the current state of the world even from initial conditions where everyone cares about people outside their clan or their village just slightly too little. And at that point, it becomes impossible to trust one another to do things like build utopias, since all that power looks like a threat.
Which gives us the answer to your original question: the reason Fire isn't a utopia is that even though it's strong, it's not as strong as everyone else all at once, and if you withdraw resources from maintaining your current military dominance to focus on things like civilian wellbeing, other nations will see that apparent weakness as an opportunity to help their people by hurting yours, who as we've established they don't care about. Boom, the next shinobi war. And if you did anything with your vast resources that would put you on a clear trajectory to become strong enough to fight them all off at once, like letting civilians live well enough to lead to significant population growth, the entire world will throw everything they had at you, even though they'd be eviscerated afterwards and have an even harder time stalling civilization's collapse.
They'd do it even if you weren't being hostile, like the world did to Whirlpool. It's probably pretty easy to see from the reversed perspective - if Mist suddenly became insanely good at sealcrafting, and started using it to protect their civilians and grow more food and help all their citizens live comfortably, would you be glad your neighbors were growing happy and prosperous? Or would you see the impending population boom as a threat to be sabotaged and undermined? And if you find a low-risk method that sabotages your enemies' future strength without going to war, well, how could you not take it, even if it's morally horrific and accelerating the gradual downfall of the human race.
You can't build up because you would get smacked down. You can't truly work with other nations to break out of the downward spiral because you won't be trusted and won't trust them, since you both know that trust would be exploited. So Leaf ends up having to contribute to the status quo, even if you guys are better about humanizing the enemy than others, according to Akane. But it isn't working, and something has to change, or everything is going to crumble into dust, and everyone is going to die - including Leaf. So, again, will you help us?-
Part of that is why we need him on board - preventing wars from breaking out while the fixing is happening, and then figuring out a way to change the incentives that result in things like distrust and scorch squads. Make it so that "cooperate" becomes the winning option even in the non-iterated case of this prisoners' dilemma. (Massively improve agriculture per area to allow consolidation of civilian population? Set up a neurtral third party to arbitrate disputes and hand out the uplift tech on the basis of good behavior?) That, or make Leaf so strong so fast that everyone's best option is to give up, but even then people won't actually be reasonable since they're scared and angry and distrustful. Even if there were a jutsu to magically restore everyone's view of each other as people deserving moral consideration, it wouldn't be anything like a permanent solution, because the cycle would start all over again.
- Also, compared to slowly dying villages in the wilderness, and to some extent compared even to Kirigakure, Leaf is fairly utopian already.
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- Current plan for talking about rewards with Jiraiya, in case he calls us in
- Most of these rewards are centered around making us stronger and better assets, so it's against Jiraya's interests to be stingy here
- Check if he is okay with us discussing fairly frankly some admitted longshots first; if not, skip this section.
- Kurosawa Hana
- Getting her out of Kiri
- Jounin taijutsu expert with huge reasons to defect to work for him specifically, and would cause Team Uplift to be stronger, safer, saner, enormously grateful, and probably more stable due to her greater experience and mediating influence.
- If this is gonna start the Fourth Jashin-damned Shinobi War, obviously not worth it, and is obviously a huge ask in terms of difficulty and risk, but is this a thing we that is even on the table as far as favors, or even accumulated favors?
- If not getting her out, how feasible is an attempt to get a message to her, even just "your son is alive and loves you"? In addition to or barring that, could we get information on what she is up to and what her position is in Mist?
- Getting her out of Kiri
- Does any kind of pass to cross Fire borders come packaged with Akane's reinstatement and our continued loyalty?
- We recognize that this is unlikely due to the need to maintain deniability, but Akane is much less of a carrot if we can't come to see her (if she does not stick with us) / will need to be able to access Leaf resources and her friends and family if she does stick with us.
- If J gets smug / team gives us shit for saying we're loyal to Leaf/J, maintain that since we are loyal to Akane who is presumably loyal to Leaf, we are at least second-order loyal to them, and in any case they appear to represent the best chance at fixing things.
- If J asks why we're now uncertain whether she'll stick with us, maintain that we are simply planning for all possibilities and that the choice remains hers.
- Kurosawa Hana
- Check if he is okay with us discussing some generalities of less-longshot options before asking for a specific thing
- Seal designs: are these even on the table? Would he be willing to give us either an array of low-to-medium level utility seals that he thinks would contribute most to our effectiveness, or to do a deeper dive into e.g. storage seals and the extremes of what they can be used for?
- Examples of utility seals ordered by preference
- Communication range, especially surreptitiously
- Night vision or other sensory enhancements
- Advanced alarm seals
- Sound muffling seals / other stealth enhancements
- Self Contained Breathing Apparatus
- Something that lets us breath when there is no clean, breathable air around
- Eye, ear and environmental protection
- Protection against bright lights and noise
- Protection against extreme temperatures
- Protection against gas or liquid toxicants that only require skin contact
- Examples of utility seals ordered by preference
- Jutsu: he said he would get us a teacher at the end of our interactions with him in Yuni - if that no longer holds, how much is he willing to teach us now (e.g. # of techniques at particular ranks - describe the jutsu plan quoted below if prompted)
- Can we safely assume we will be given / at least have the chance to buy new ninja gear and essentials, what with our old stuff being potentially biosealer-contaminated?
- An up-to-date bingo book or comparable intel would also be really nice but we're not about to spend a favor on it.
- Technique Hacking
- Is it something we could learn from a favor?
- Jiraya's analysis on its usefulness for a team like ours
- Seal designs: are these even on the table? Would he be willing to give us either an array of low-to-medium level utility seals that he thinks would contribute most to our effectiveness, or to do a deeper dive into e.g. storage seals and the extremes of what they can be used for?
- Are there missions he has planned for us that he can tell us about before we make our decision?
- The update should then end for a vote on our reward
The winning plan from the jutsu vote:
[X] Jutsu Hazou: Whack-a-Mole Madness
Follow Whack-A-Mole, but prioritize Tremor Sense over Nintaijutsu.
[X] Jutsu Hazou: Whack-A-Mole
"Now that you asked, I do have a short list..."
This is Hazou's jutsu preference list assuming that the winning action plan has him acquire a new jutsu.
In general, Hazou doesn't have the time the get too invested in one jutsu. He would prefer jutsu that use his general attributes instead of deep jutsu mastery to make use of the techniques. (Attribute requirements > Dice needed for usefulness)
List of Earth Jutsu Hazou wants ranked in order of preference.
Primary requirements are what we want the jutsu to have at minimum. If those requirements are not met, move to the next jutsu on the list.
Hazou also doesn't have that much chakra, so prioritize chakra efficiency over the secondary and especially over tertiary requirements. We trust J's judgement in this.
- Earth Nintaijutsu
- Primary requirements
- Doesn't hinder mobility
- Provides high damage resistance or enhanced mobility or speed
- Secondary requirements
- Lets us punch dangerous surfaces (Lava, acid, metal spikes, horrors beyond the realm of man etc.)
- Adds to Taijutsu dice even with specialized taijutsu styles (No, we totally don't have one. Stop smirking.)
- Primary requirements
- Tunneling jutsu
- Primary requirements
- Fast, combat useful movement underground
- Secondary requirements
- Ability to leave the tunnels open
- Ability to vary the the size of the tunnel created
- Tertiary requirements
- Long distance travel without absolutely insane chakra cost
- Ability to detect what is going on in the surface
- Provides protection from suffocation for extended periods of time
- Primary requirements
- Tremor Sense no Jutsu
- Primary requirements
- Ranged detection without line of sight
- Usable while fighting, so no active channeling required at least for close range detection
- Secondary requirements
- Enables us to read opponent movement in melee combat with zero vision
- Tertiary requirements
- No handseals at level reachable for Hazou
- Heart and respiratory detection for social awareness
- Primary requirements
- Skidmark no Jutsu
- Decription: A jutsu that moves a patch (or patches) of ground around very quickly; used for moving ninjas and objects around the battefield
- Primary requirements
- The batch of ground doesn't have to be right next to the caster at start
- Ability to move at least a ninjas worth of mass on top of the patch
- Secondary requirements
- We can change the size of the patch of ground
- The moving patch of ground is stealthy and non-obvious
- Things to do while in Leaf
- Look out for a gift for Keiko, and one for Panchipaama (Tenten has suggestions, maybe?)
- Lingering Jiraiya Questions
- What purpose did lying to us about not knowing the identity of the summon clan serve?
- Set up protocols for refreshing code words if we are ever off on long missions again
- Advice on uplift plans? ("I want your advice as someone who has spent multiple times my lifespan preserving peace and gathering knowledge about the world: in what way can I maximally contribute to improving the state of the world, by which I mean to reduce the exploitation of civilians by ninja, to improve the quality of life for both civilians and ninja, and to reduce and eventually reverse the erosion of civilization by the forces of nature and war?")
- How to acquire power inside the current system / Any organizations/groups/polities Jiraya and Leaf would not mind us getting rid of?
- You know, just in case we need to acquire limited resources (land, vassals, political legitimacy etc.)
Background
- Kagome suggested that the sparseness of the population is the fundamental reason behind the effectiveness of scorch squads.
- Can we fix either or both of the contributing problems?
- The difficulty of patrolling large areas of populated land
- The difficulty of growing enough food in a small area to support a condensed population
- Make that technique or technology available
- globally?
- to our allies?
- Doing this might be a quick way to modify the tradeoffs for that method of warfare.
- Can we fix either or both of the contributing problems?
- As discussed in the thread, there is an additional underlying problem of lack of empathy and trust between nations which prevents simple de-escalation.
- Teleportation tech like the safety poles/safety sticks in Significant Digits (which we may want to keep for ourselves/Hidden Heaven)
- Automated defenses against ninja (golems? seal-based clones?)
- Would need to be good enough to stand up to jounin, which implies that this would only be a good solution at much higher power levels than we're currently playing with
- TH-ing plant growth jutsu, or creating relevant seals, or combining existing jutsu and seals in a clever way that optimizes plant growth, or in any way enabling large numbers of people to be fed while being secured against invasion, seige, crop burning...
- Bigger-on-the-inside tech to let people farm in their own homes within cities (heavily modified storage seals?)
- Get others' thoughts/critiques/contributions, and start working on the approach we judge to be most promising
- Learn about current agricultural practices and try to figure out improvements to equipment or techniques (e.g. better fertilizers, seed drills, focused selective breeding...)
Idle thought:
- If Konoha is so concerned with their image and seeming luxurious, boombox seals would be an interesting thing to come up with and sell to them (record and then play back a sound). Probably a low investment on time/risk on our side.
- What if CCnJ ends up being the most valuable thing we give to Konoha? :lol
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
Cutting the above down further, here are some things that should probably happen onscreen:
- Apologies (Auntie, Team Asuma)
- Talking to Nara about what we read in Vol 1 so far
- Next visit to Akane. Talk about library and printing press, get her started on the path towards Mass Production specialty?
- Letting J know we're ready to discuss rewards?
- Some actual stealth training while Noburi is at the hospital (is he starting to spend med XP yet?)
- Learning that one song
- Offer technique observation to Kabuto in the next couple days
- [CONTINGENCIES AND OPSEC]
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Ahahahah. I suspect the QMs just felt a chill run down their spines.
- Location
- Snakesden
Could prolly go offscreen, but has fun character stuff that QMs might prefer to keep onscreen:
I'd like to follow up on Tenten as well; she's apparently a pacifist sealmistress prodigy, which is pretty promising. Plus, helping Keiko make a friend! (Uh, without stepping on her toes wrt her "overcoming incredible barriers to decide things on my own" arc. Actually, we should definitely CCnJ anything related to helping her with this, and emphasize we don't want to do anything she isn't okay with. Hazou knows she's been touchy about the plan-making thing lately, and he/we should act accordingly.)
Doesn't have to be a Big Deal, just asking Keiko how training with TT was ("probably a little better than training with Lee, right?"). Maybe mention how it sounds like she's a big deal, according to Akane. Once K brings stuff up, we can follow up in the next update based on IC knowledge.
(IC, Hazou knows Keiko isn't doing great, but she seems to be getting along with Tenten pretty well, and they seem to have somewhat similar personalities + specializations. And anyone Akane speaks of that highly is probably worth paying attention to.)
We should also ask Akane a bit about what makes TT so great, maybe about her lack of family name as well. I'm sure she'd be glad to hear that Keiko seems to be making a friend.
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- Location
- Leeds
Something like this?
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
I'd rather give Keiko a few more days, then let her ask on her own time if Tenten is interested in talking shop, sealing wise.
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- He/Him
This is downright beautiful. Thank you so much!Merry Christmas, everybody!
A couple of guys asked me to draw something for this quest, so here's the christmas pangolin, Santaa!
You already know she throws shuriken that way. Maybe if you give it time and opportunity, she'll progress to kunai.
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
- Location
- Chicago, IL
- Pronouns
- Any/All
A seal idea that is hopefully not too high tech, that was briefly discussed on the Discord server today/yesterday: a seal that, when placed on a solid surface, prevents chakra adhesion to that surface within some (preferably large) radius.
Makes walls not wall-walkable.
Makes walls not wall-walkable.
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
- Location
- Chicago, IL
- Pronouns
- Any/All
This lone makes me wonder if this is serious. If it is, I'm sorry for being insensitive, and I hope you excel in your classes.
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Good luck with your studies. Look after yourself. Hopefully one day you'll come back to this quest, catch up on the thread, and go "well, that sealcrafting research is sure going well... huh, they're netting a lot of XP from that nonad... so that's what Orochimaru was really up to... wait, they still haven't won?!"
On the tech tree it goes.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
All the best to you. It's been a pleasure having you as a player, and I'm sure you'll do just as well in the real world.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
@matterbeam ...so, not quitting?
Regarding how to apologize to Team Asuma
I'm suggesting we go the "realization of how much of a hick we actually are/how bad Mist is" (also, we're list addicts).
Hazou's thought process:
I'm suggesting we go the "realization of how much of a hick we actually are/how bad Mist is" (also, we're list addicts).
Hazou's thought process:
- The printing press isn't a Leaf secret, nor do they expect it to be
- Why wouldn't I (Hazou) have been aware of it?
- First possibility: I'm from a low-income family who have been thrown out of a major clan. I was just never in the circles who would have known about/talked about it
- Problem: I did attend the ANA, and they did have some courses on geopolitics. A transformative technology like this that has been around for generations should have been mentioned.
- Problem: Given my interests/proclivities, you'd think my parents would have told me about something like this.
- Second Possibility: Mist deliberately doesn't discuss these things.
- Mist has a bit of a chip on its shoulder with regards to being something of a backwater
- The only reason that I (Hazou) know what "Pacifism" is is because of propaganda speeches about how it is a false ideology meant to weaken Mist
- Mist hates traitors, and withholding this sort of info from the rank and file might make them less likely to defect/have a harder time managing if they do defect.
- Must check with rest of team to find out if they knew, but since none of them tried to calm me down (not even Inoue), consider it likely that this is new info for them as well.
- First possibility: I'm from a low-income family who have been thrown out of a major clan. I was just never in the circles who would have known about/talked about it
- What else am I missing?
- Leaf must have a way to mass produce quality paper to go along with mass-produced writing
- Sudden, Jiraiya's writing career makes so much more sense. I (Hazou) had assumed that there were sweatshops full of civilians churning out the books as part of some scheme/sop to a Sannin's ego.
- Why would I (Hazou) assume that Leaf would do something like enslave a foreign ninja as a living printing press/enslave civilians as a sop to a Sannin's ego?
- Its what Mist would do, if they had known about that aspect of the Kurosawa family
- Fuck infosec on this point. The cat is out of the bag, time to capitalize on it for sympathy points.
- Holy shit, Mist is messed up.
- The mission our Jounin defected from wasn't actually a suicide mission, it wasn't much better. I (Hazou) doubt that the higher ups at Mist would have cried if the only child of a disgraced Kurasowa had died on that mission. Or a rebellious Jounin for that matter. Not sure why Keiko or Noburi would have been seen as expendable. Maybe to show the clans that Yagura is still boss?
- My family was disgraced because my mother married for love, rather than according to the will of the clan
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- Yes.
This actually reminds me of a question I had. What would happen if we replaced individual brushstrokes with a stamping equivalent? I.e., if we stamped each individual brushstroke in the appropriate order instead of drawing them by hand, would it still form a seal?
If we can do this it shouldn't be too hard to create an automated seal printing press that works by moving the paper down a line.
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- He/Him
A brushstroke is a stroke. It is a form of interaction between the chakra ink and the paper which has a point of origin, a direction, a form and a terminus. You're welcome to inquire of Kagome what would happen if you, say, reversed the stroke direction when writing a seal, but I suspect you already know what he'd say.