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You're probably right about the segmentation fault, but it's been a whIle since Kagome screamed really hard. That might be fun :D

I'm not so sure about the Null at the end being a problem. Depending on what we find out the list could end with a "normal" storage space. Like a specialized node with no next pointer. All that would mean is that a multiseal would have to, at minimum, store 2 things.

Or we could spawn some eldritch abomination from beyond time and space. So really, it's a win win

E: it may be that pointing to NULL is also what makes a storage scroll fill itself (since filling and emptying are the same activation)

Against my better judgement and without implying that multi-storage seals are possible, I will point out circular lists and the "tortoise and hare" algorithm.
 
Welcome back, @Spector29!

*reads @Radvic's plan for what to say to Akane*
+1 for mature relationship communication

-10,000,000 for lousy flirting

:p
I mean, Akane'd probably think Hazou was someone else if it was anything aside from lousy flirting :p

"When you play the game of missing nin, you win or you die. There is no middle ground."
For some reason, when I read Ino, I mildly think of Cersei.
 
For Ino, I like the Uplift Seeding.

For Akane, I like Full Disclosure And Flirting. I'd prefer it be condensed a bit, though. We have limited time to visit her and an infodump may not be the best opener. Even if it is romantic.
 
For Akane, I like Full Disclosure And Flirting. I'd prefer it be condensed a bit, though. We have limited time to visit her and an infodump may not be the best opener. Even if it is romantic.
"Hi Akane, I was thinking about what you said last time, about flirting with you, and realized I didn't know what romance is. So I thought about it, and realized that in any way I define romance, I like you in a romantic way. I wish to imitate you, things you say seem right, I thrive off your attention and approval, I'd do most anything for you, and I think your cute. So, I'm pretty sure I like you and would like to flirt with you if you know how."

but is it really full disclosure if we use efficient wording? :p

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Of course, the even less wordy option is:

"Hi Akane, I didn't realize what romance was when we last spoke. After thinking about it, I like you."
 
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I do think that we should take Mari aside and talk with her about this first, either way; she may have insight into the team dynamic that we're missing.
 
Huh, do we keep nice furniture in storage scrolls?

We should get some reasonably cheap furniture cushions and upholstery grade cloth. That way we can design some nice storage scroll-able flat pack furniture.
 
[X] Ino Response Plan : It's Complicated

These things don't need to be stated verbatim, but rather this shows the tone and broad content of what we intend to say.
  • "It's complicated. None of us wanted to be missing-nin, but we ended up being collateral damage in the schemes of some power hungry jounin."
  • "But since then, we've done a lot of things. Fucked up a few times, but also done some good here and there."
  • "You should have seen the faces of the civilian children when Noburi was healing their gapmouth. It was so easy for him, with a tiny application of chakra and jutsu, to give a child a chance at a life without an obvious facial deformity."
    • "He's done so much to help so many people, kept them, and us, from dying."
  • "I have this jutsu that can make walls, usually we use it block kunai and stuff in a fight. But it took me a few hours to give a village solid walls that helped protect them from chakra beasts that could have killed them"
  • "It's not like Konoha out there, it's dangerous. Here you have ninja as protection and support, but there's tons of people in the world who have nothing."
  • "As a team, we really have to rely on each other, there's no safety net. No village we can run to when we're hurt."
  • "But because we're out there, we can do so much more to help. Things that ninja can do in seconds can add years to the lives of civilians. A few jutsu here and there can save lives."
  • "So yeah, it's complicated. It's hard but fulfilling, and I want to do more to help people."
  • "When we're outside the system, it's so obvious how we could make the world better. If we could only get more ninja to fight less and build more."
  • Be truthful but keep opsec
    • Nothing about VHitM
    • No revealing things that isn't already public knowledge (MEW and Nobby's medical skill are known to Team Asuma already.)
 
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Training plans for the gang. Basically they all get Stealth 15; Noburi gets medic training, and Keiko gets Zephyr's Reach 10 for that sweet sweet discount.


[X] Training Noburi: Sneaky Medic
[X] Training Hazou: Sneaky Earth
[X] Training Keiko: Sneaky Wind

*Note: As per @Radvic's suggestions and @eaglejarl's statements I've removed Wind Wall from Keiko's training.
 
Doubt we'll be able to get any training in for the next update, but want stealth so bad. Maybe we'll magically figure out how to be stealthy by walking out in the open with other people?

[X] Training Noburi: Sneaky Medic
[X] Training Hazou: Sneaky Earth
[X] Training Keiko: Sneaky Wind
 
Training plans for the gang. Basically they all get Stealth 15; Noburi gets medic training, and Keiko gets Zephyr's Reach 10 for that sweet sweet discount.


[X] Training Noburi: Sneaky Medic
[X] Training Hazou: Sneaky Earth
[X] Training Keiko: Sneaky Wind

*Note: As per @Radvic's suggestions and @eaglejarl's statements I've removed Wind Wall from Keiko's training.
Link to the training plans in question or edit them in? I'm not sure I remember seeing them around. :p

That aside, @Jello_Raptor we should consider asking if Mari set her up to say that. It'll at least let her know that we're serious when we say that the bouquet was Mari's doing.
 
You're probably right about the segmentation fault, but it's been a whIle since Kagome screamed really hard. That might be fun :D

I'm not so sure about the Null at the end being a problem. Depending on what we find out the list could end with a "normal" storage space. Like a specialized node with no next pointer. All that would mean is that a multiseal would have to, at minimum, store 2 things.

Or we could spawn some eldritch abomination from beyond time and space. So really, it's a win win

E: it may be that pointing to NULL is also what makes a storage scroll fill itself (since filling and emptying are the same activation)

I think assuming a NULL pointer leads to normal sealing space is a generous assumption that we'd only be able to make once.

It really seems like a high-risk-low-reward situation.

Also, to weigh in on the waifu wars, I like Ino a lot but I think Hazou ending up attempting a relationship with Akane will end up with a better narrative.

Mari and Jiraya also ars sticking in my head as something interesting. Let me grab that thing from earlier...
"Jiraiya and I have been talking about it for a while now. The last couple of times we met, but also while we've been in Leaf. Sarutobi's been covering for me with clones while I kept sneaking off.

"The fact is, Jiraiya's under a lot of pressure to get an heir, so all the value he represents to Leaf doesn't vanish when he dies. But he can't just marry into an existing clan, because that would wreck the balance of power. So… what if he started his own?

"I'm strong, I have no political ties, and he and I have great chemistry. In time, I think we can learn to love each other. And Mist isn't going to be able to out-diplomat him. Inoue Mari? Who's she? Never heard of her. I might need hair dye, but that's about it.

"But that's not the best part. The paperwork's still in progress—we've timed it so it'll come through right after the wedding—but he and I are going to formally adopt the three of you. You're not of the blood, so you won't be able to inherit, but once you're part of Jiraiya's clan, you're going to be Leaf ninja and legally untouchable. And of course, he'll teach you whatever it takes to make the new clan stronger while it's still young and vulnerable. But most importantly, you'll be safe. We'll all be safe.

"Obviously, we can't adopt Akane or you won't be able to marry her, but if you two do end up getting hitched, then she'll benefit from all this too.

"Hazō, I know I can't replace the real thing, and that I'm inexperienced and certainly not the best woman for the job, but I promise you, I will be the very best mother to you, Noburi and Keiko that I can be. I'll even cut down on the sex jokes as much as I can."

She clasped his hand between hers. "So now you know, will you please give this marriage your blessing?"

I know that Mari is a jonin and is master-tier in mindgames, but this seems like something way too intricate to be off-the-cuff. I don't think any of this is actually happening by any stretch, but I also don't believe that she didn't at least consider some part of this. Which leads me to my actual point; What makes the above quote not possible?

Some things that immediately jump out at me and were pointed out by others:

"Thine is the plan, thine is the power. If you want it, make it happen." - Indicates that at least one QM has the possibility space for this happening.

The problem is that the only way for this to work is if Jiraiya is behind it and actually does need to have kids and a clan. I kinda don't think that's one of Leaf's priorities, so it probably won't work.

Can anybody refresh me where we are in regards to canon timeline? Because if we're significantly before the Sand Invasion, this might actually be a pretty good time to bring it up. After the Invasion, if Sarutobi passes away, there might be a case for this plan getting the go-ahead purely to provide Leaf with the image of more manpower and stability with the Sannin creating a clan there.

Also, if I'm not bringing this up prematurely, are we going to go anywhere near Leaf ether during or post-Invasion?
 
[X] Ino Response Plan: It's Complicated
(Maybe talking up Noburi's medical stuff will get her interested in him, thereby diverting OliWhail etc.'s Ino-shipping tendencies and paving the way for the SS Akane. :p )


[X] Training Noburi: Sneaky Medic
[X] Training Hazou: Sneaky Earth
[X] Training Keiko: Sneaky Wind

Doubt we'll be able to get any training in for the next update, but want stealth so bad. Maybe we'll magically figure out how to be stealthy by walking out in the open with other people?

Or we could go back to the training grounds but take things seriously this time :/

That aside, @Jello_Raptor we should consider asking if Mari set her up to say that. It'll at least let her know that we're serious when we say that the bouquet was Mari's doing.

Ehh, she seems like she's pretty okay with us atm, and this would be way un-suave (you get social malus points for being direct in response to subtle signaling, and she might not even realize she's doing it). On the other hand, reducing Ino's interest in Hazou...hmm... :p
 
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What makes the above quote not possible?
Relevant key things which need to happen:
  • Jiraiya wanting it
  • Mari being willing to do so (unclear to what extent she was joking)
  • Jiraiya's superiors letting him marry a non-Leaf-nin and the political fallout esp. with Mist
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if part of why Mari joked with that to us was so that any observers could hear her say that and consider it.

Can anybody refresh me where we are in regards to canon timeline?
I think we're about a year in? That said, I would expect very few of the major events of Naruto to happen in MfD. For one, Zabuza never defected from Mist. Second, Orochimaru and others never did anything at the chunnin exams. Some of these are likely a result of QMs changing the world, others from our interference (esp. Swamp and Iron).

purely to provide Leaf with the image of more manpower and stability with the Sannin creating a clan there.
This would likely be a decent reason. Unfortunately, the only way I can actually see this happening is if Leaf goes to war with Mist, and thus doesn't care about the political consequences of integrating Mist missing-nin into their armed forces.

during or post-Invasion?
I'm not the best at Naruto, but I think we're past the time in canon where Sand invaded (chunnin exams were, like, a month ago?), and it hasn't happened. I don't know if events which have happened mean they'll be delayed in their invasion, won't do it at all, or it's already been attempted and thwarted.
 
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Changes:
  1. Exported Ino response plan to any action plan containing the word "Ino", which is currently only @Jelloraptor's
  2. Moved asking Noburi about defeating Hyuuga to game night
  3. Added consulting Inoue about how to deal with Akane
  4. Fleshed out the section about dealing with Akane after consulting with Discord. As of currently, it has workable elements, but there's parts of it that are bad in a way to encourage serious suggestions. I'm up for another few hours.
Plans:

OK, back to serious topics, here's a set of training plans for everyone but Akane (because fucking worms). Focus is on getting Stealth 15, and subsequent preparations for learning elemental jutsus (Keiko). Hazou doesn't do that because he doesn't have that much XP to spend.

[] Training Noburi: Sneaky Medic
Intelligence 3 [6]
Intelligence 4 [14]
Medicine 4 [18]
Medicine 5 [23]
Medicine 6 [29]
Medicine 7 [36]
Medicine 8 [44]
Medicine 9 [53]
Medicine 10 [63]
Resolve 4 [71]
Resolve 5 [81]
Medical Ninjutsu 7 [88]
Medical Ninjutsu 8 [96]
Medical Ninjutsu 9 [105]
Medical Ninjutsu 10 [115]
Stamina 4 [123]
Stealth 11 [134]
Stealth 12 [146]
Stealth 13 [159]
Stealth 14 [173]
Stealth 15 [188]
Save 4.5XP

[] Training Keiko: Sneaky Wind
Stealth 11 [11]
Stealth 12 [23]
Stealth 13 [36]
Stealth 14 [50]
Stealth 15 [65]
Zephyr's Reach 9 [74]
Zephyr's Reach 10 [84]
Save 36XP

[] Training Hazou: Sneaky Earth
Stealth 10 [10]
Stealth 11 [21]
Stealth 12 [33]
Stealth 13 [46]
Stealth 14 [60]
Save 31XP
(Note: 3XP off MEW 10)

[X] Action Plan: Steal This Plan

Structure:
  1. What action to take
    1. How to take it
      1. Why to take it
As before, Methods marked with (O) (because highlighting on mobile is hard) and (O) can (in my estimation) more easily occur offscreen than others. If a higher-level point is marked, all sub-points should be treated as marked, and bold underline bits are activities or information Hazou considers most important to complete or obtain in a timely manner.

Goals
  1. Survive
  2. Keep Team Uplift safe/sane/consensual free
  3. Good relations with Jiraiya / Leaf command structure
  4. Good relations with Leaf in general; no disruptive incidents, feuds w/ clans, etc.
  5. Keep Team Uplift happy
  6. Good relations with minders
Methods
  • Continue our outing with Team Asuma
    • Follow highest-voted action plan that contains the word "Ino" in its name
    • (O) Hazou should be willing to laugh along with everyone if the subject of Lee's innuendo comes up
      • Because it was pretty funny and it's not a big deal. Seriously, that had to have been on purpose. Right?
    • (O) Continue rapport building (discuss favorite foods and preferred relaxing activities; war memorial, Hokage monument (view of the city from the top?), theater district)
      • Because we value building our friendships with them
    • Nerd out with Nara and Keiko: list the advantages of lists (pretty much the simplest you can get while maintaining hierarchical relations between points, easy to make them exhaustive and then pare down/simplify, high info density per surface area) and commiserate over how troublesome conversations are. If Nara expresses agreement, solicit his thoughts on CCnJ.
      • Because making friends ain't bad
  • (O) Visit a library: follow the highest-voted action subplan of the form "Action Subplan: Library*" (that is, the highest-voted action subplan where the first word in the title is "Library".)
  • If J grants our request for a secure discussion, have it once Noburi gets back. If not, have it after Team Asuma has left for the night.
    • Bring up wanting Hana out of Mist -- see contingencies for specifics
      • Because we really want to see mom again, but don't want to hurt everyone else's family (since we know how much that would hurt, and don't want them to go through that), and don't want to spring this on them in front of J. Momma was kicked out the clan for marrying Dad, then Dad died, and Hazou was the only thing she had left. She was already almost drowning in life's worries before she probably heard of his apparent death. Hazou has no idea how she has been, but is extremely worried about what Mist ANBU might do to her, and what she might do to herself. We don't think there is much tying her to Mist anymore, and we definitely don't want to take an action that will be noticed and punished, but we really want to at least do something for her. Defection seems like the best bet, but this shit is dangerous, and she might be better off there, and we just don't know what to do about it.
    • (O) Based on additional info from Noburi's first day, what should the team bloodline experimentation policy be? Hazou feels it should be fairly conservative, i.e. anything more invasive than simply watching Noburi work should probably be run past Inoue-sensei first, to make it harder to pressure Noburi into doing anything.
      • Because we don't trust him, even after he did his duty to save Akane and agreed to teach Noburi
  • Before we visit pick up Noburi, consult Inoue about the best course of action to take with Akane
    • Find an opportunity to speak with her alone and ask her
      • Because this is an area we are simultaneously bad and inexperienced in.
      • We're normally okay making our own choices (eg taking initiative for trying to sell the tower to J), but this is an area that we are sufficiently new to and that's sufficiently important that we're going to use Inoue while we have her.
  • Visit Akane if Kabuto gives the okay when we pick up Noburi
    • Does she have favorite songs Hazou could learn on his flute (which we can probably argue for getting out of storage)?
      • Because music is nice and relaxing, and also not as complicated as talking while still showing we care through acts of kindness
    • Take Inoue's advice under advisement for the whole interaction. If it's diverges significantly from the plan, end the update before we enter Akane's.
      • Inoue failing to mention Radvic and physics being otp counts as significant divergence
    • Ask Akane if Lee visited.
    • Tell her that we're new to romance but, after reflecting on our feelings, we have realized we like her. We'd like to pursue a relationship, but most of the time we're not very emotionally mature. Just every couple thousand words or so we get a burst of emotional intelligence. So, we'd be happy to date you, but, take it slow?. Also, singleness gets us to the physics faster.
      • Radvic x physics otp
  • (O, but you probably don't want to) Game night
    • Strategic Domination (Hazou should avoid rolling all sixes, giving credence to the lie that Iron Nerve simply involves improved kinesthetic sense) shogi, go, maybe games that are native to Leaf?
      • Because we promised and it will be fun!
    • Ask Noburi to regale us with how he wrecked that Hyuuga guy. Listen attentively, laugh along with him, agree that he is awesome.
      • Because it was honestly pretty freaking cool, and Noburi deserves the recognition
  • Before bed
    • Say a quiet thank you to Inoue-sensei for taking care of everyone even though we know it's stressful and apologize for jumping the gun at the hospital if it was not already addressed. Possibly include a hug. Accept any resulting hair-ruffles stoically.
      • Maybe it will help her feel better and also help normalize affection among the team.
    • (O) Follow up on Kagome stress reduction: should we get that woodworking book, or perhaps something from the Akimichi Lore series, once we get paid? Also thank him for dinner, it was delicious.
      • Because it seems like he might enjoy new methods for doing his favorite hobbies.
    • (O) Continue to spend time deliberately de-stressing and encouraging others to do so. This involves meditation, stretching, hot baths, etc.
      • To minimize chances of anyone losing it, and also because being stressed out is unpleasant.
    • If we did not do it the night before, speak to Inoue in private about flirting-focused social difficulties / emotional processing.
      • Because Hazou is confused about both Ino and Akane (be open about this). Asking in private so she does not have to manage other dynamics simultaneously.
Contingencies
  1. Default to CCnJ for any nontrivial interpersonal interactions (discussing the ramifications of our prank with Ino, bringing up our romantic difficulties to Mari, suggesting we sell copies of the macerator, asking to borrow Nara's book...)
  2. Don't piss off Leaf
    1. Be polite to everyone we meet
    2. Listen to our handlers and follow their (reasonable) instructions to the letter
  3. However, CONSTANT VIGILANCE around any Leaf nin who are not Akane, Jiraiya, Team Asuma, Gai, or Lee.
  4. Try to minimize Kagome's stress level by not making him talk too much / interact with non-teammates if he doesn't feel like it, keeping close-by, encouraging him to eat any of the nice food we get that have already been checked for poison, esp. sweets and chocolate.
  5. Safety and Security Rules
    1. Default to not splitting the party
    2. Keep a watch in our room even at night
    3. Make sure we all have whatever the local equivalent of white flags are
    4. When in public, try to stick to areas with a reasonable number of civilians and other ninja
  6. Combat contingencies
    1. White tactics by default
    2. Use any panic buttons Jiraiya has given us (none yet, sounds like)
    3. Try to leave the city or converge on Jiraiya's office to turn ourselves in. Make sure we're doing the equivalent of waving white flags.
    4. If we aren't able to immediately disengage, end the update for combat planning.
  7. Assume we are being spied on at pretty much all times by multiple parties
    1. Our desire to arrange our mom's extraction from Mist, and our concerns about how that could impact the rest of the group.
      1. Does Inoue-sensei think this is even a feasible thing to ask with a favor, or stacked favors, given Hana's large motivation to defect to work for J specifically and the additional utility she provides to our team in the form of jounin combat strength and decades of experience?
      2. Ask if there is anyone else we would need to extract at the same, and whether we should avoid doing so at all to avoid putting Inoue-senei's family at risk.
        1. Any Wakahisa or Mori clan members would be more difficult to extract but also less likely to provoke huge reprisals from Yagura.
      3. Mom would be a valuable resource, but also an addition to the team - are others okay with that idea?
  8. If the topic of why Fire isn't a model for what Hazou wants to acheive comes up again, consider drawing from
    When you asked why Fire wasn't a utopia, I was confused because you had practically just said the answer yourself: none of the major players can trust each other, because each of them consider only their own people to have any moral weight. And that is what you said, that you would sleep well after killing a foreign citizen to save a Leaf one. Not that you would consider it a necessary tragedy to protect the people you care about, and not that you would devote so much as a second of thought toward avoiding having to make that choice again in the future, and you said all your counterparts in other villages feel the same way.

    When the whole world does that, then everyone looks like monsters to everyone else. At that point, it's even easier to say all foreigners are morally irrelevant, trapping the entire world in a spiral of indifference and hatred, so we get the current state of the world even from initial conditions where everyone cares about people outside their clan or their village just slightly too little. And at that point, it becomes impossible to trust one another to do things like build utopias, since all that power looks like a threat.

    Which gives us the answer to your original question: the reason Fire isn't a utopia is that even though it's strong, it's not as strong as everyone else all at once, and if you withdraw resources from maintaining your current military dominance to focus on things like civilian wellbeing, other nations will see that apparent weakness as an opportunity to help their people by hurting yours, who as we've established they don't care about. Boom, the next shinobi war. And if you did anything with your vast resources that would put you on a clear trajectory to become strong enough to fight them all off at once, like letting civilians live well enough to lead to significant population growth, the entire world will throw everything they had at you, even though they'd be eviscerated afterwards and have an even harder time stalling civilization's collapse.

    They'd do it even if you weren't being hostile, like the world did to Whirlpool. It's probably pretty easy to see from the reversed perspective - if Mist suddenly became insanely good at sealcrafting, and started using it to protect their civilians and grow more food and help all their citizens live comfortably, would you be glad your neighbors were growing happy and prosperous? Or would you see the impending population boom as a threat to be sabotaged and undermined? And if you find a low-risk method that sabotages your enemies' future strength without going to war, well, how could you not take it, even if it's morally horrific and accelerating the gradual downfall of the human race.

    You can't build up because you would get smacked down. You can't truly work with other nations to break out of the downward spiral because you won't be trusted and won't trust them, since you both know that trust would be exploited. So Leaf ends up having to contribute to the status quo, even if you guys are better about humanizing the enemy than others, according to Akane. But it isn't working, and something has to change, or everything is going to crumble into dust, and everyone is going to die - including Leaf. So, again, will you help us?
    1. Part of that is why we need him on board - preventing wars from breaking out while the fixing is happening, and then figuring out a way to change the incentives that result in things like distrust and scorch squads. Make it so that "cooperate" becomes the winning option even in the non-iterated case of this prisoners' dilemma. (Massively improve agriculture per area to allow consolidation of civilian population? Set up a neurtral third party to arbitrate disputes and hand out the uplift tech on the basis of good behavior?) That, or make Leaf so strong so fast that everyone's best option is to give up, but even then people won't actually be reasonable since they're scared and angry and distrustful. Even if there were a jutsu to magically restore everyone's view of each other as people deserving moral consideration, it wouldn't be anything like a permanent solution, because the cycle would start all over again.
    2. Also, compared to slowly dying villages in the wilderness, and to some extent compared even to Kirigakure, Leaf is fairly utopian already.
  9. Current plan for talking about rewards with Jiraiya, in case he calls us in
    1. Most of these rewards are centered around making us stronger and better assets, so it's against Jiraya's interests to be stingy here
    2. Check if he is okay with us discussing fairly frankly some admitted longshots first; if not, skip this section.
      1. Kurosawa Hana
        1. Getting her out of Kiri
          1. Jounin taijutsu expert with huge reasons to defect to work for him specifically, and would cause Team Uplift to be stronger, safer, saner, enormously grateful, and probably more stable due to her greater experience and mediating influence.
          2. If this is gonna start the Fourth Jashin-damned Shinobi War, obviously not worth it, and is obviously a huge ask in terms of difficulty and risk, but is this a thing we that is even on the table as far as favors, or even accumulated favors?
        2. If not getting her out, how feasible is an attempt to get a message to her, even just "your son is alive and loves you"? In addition to or barring that, could we get information on what she is up to and what her position is in Mist?
      2. Does any kind of pass to cross Fire borders come packaged with Akane's reinstatement and our continued loyalty?
        1. We recognize that this is unlikely due to the need to maintain deniability, but Akane is much less of a carrot if we can't come to see her (if she does not stick with us) / will need to be able to access Leaf resources and her friends and family if she does stick with us.
        2. If J gets smug / team gives us shit for saying we're loyal to Leaf/J, maintain that since we are loyal to Akane who is presumably loyal to Leaf, we are at least second-order loyal to them, and in any case they appear to represent the best chance at fixing things.
        3. If J asks why we're now uncertain whether she'll stick with us, maintain that we are simply planning for all possibilities and that the choice remains hers.
    3. Check if he is okay with us discussing some generalities of less-longshot options before asking for a specific thing
      1. Seal designs: are these even on the table? Would he be willing to give us either an array of low-to-medium level utility seals that he thinks would contribute most to our effectiveness, or to do a deeper dive into e.g. storage seals and the extremes of what they can be used for?
        1. Examples of utility seals ordered by preference
          1. Communication range, especially surreptitiously
          2. Night vision or other sensory enhancements
          3. Advanced alarm seals
          4. Sound muffling seals / other stealth enhancements
          5. Self Contained Breathing Apparatus
            1. Something that lets us breath when there is no clean, breathable air around
          6. Eye, ear and environmental protection
            1. Protection against bright lights and noise
            2. Protection against extreme temperatures
            3. Protection against gas or liquid toxicants that only require skin contact
      2. Jutsu: he said he would get us a teacher at the end of our interactions with him in Yuni - if that no longer holds, how much is he willing to teach us now (e.g. # of techniques at particular ranks - describe the jutsu plan quoted below if prompted)
      3. Can we safely assume we will be given / at least have the chance to buy new ninja gear and essentials, what with our old stuff being potentially biosealer-contaminated?
        1. An up-to-date bingo book or comparable intel would also be really nice but we're not about to spend a favor on it.
      4. Technique Hacking
        1. Is it something we could learn from a favor?
        2. Jiraya's analysis on its usefulness for a team like ours
    4. Are there missions he has planned for us that he can tell us about before we make our decision?
    5. The update should then end for a vote on our reward

    The winning plan from the jutsu vote:
    [X] Jutsu Hazou: Whack-a-Mole Madness

    Follow Whack-A-Mole, but prioritize Tremor Sense over Nintaijutsu.
    [X] Jutsu Hazou: Whack-A-Mole
    "Now that you asked, I do have a short list..."

    This is Hazou's jutsu preference list assuming that the winning action plan has him acquire a new jutsu.

    In general, Hazou doesn't have the time the get too invested in one jutsu. He would prefer jutsu that use his general attributes instead of deep jutsu mastery to make use of the techniques. (Attribute requirements > Dice needed for usefulness)

    List of Earth Jutsu Hazou wants ranked in order of preference.

    Primary requirements are what we want the jutsu to have at minimum. If those requirements are not met, move to the next jutsu on the list.

    Hazou also doesn't have that much chakra, so prioritize chakra efficiency over the secondary and especially over tertiary requirements. We trust J's judgement in this.

    1. Earth Nintaijutsu
      • Primary requirements
        • Doesn't hinder mobility
        • Provides high damage resistance or enhanced mobility or speed
      • Secondary requirements
        • Lets us punch dangerous surfaces (Lava, acid, metal spikes, horrors beyond the realm of man etc.)
        • Adds to Taijutsu dice even with specialized taijutsu styles (No, we totally don't have one. Stop smirking.)
    2. Tunneling jutsu
      • Primary requirements
        • Fast, combat useful movement underground
      • Secondary requirements
        • Ability to leave the tunnels open
        • Ability to vary the the size of the tunnel created
      • Tertiary requirements
        • Long distance travel without absolutely insane chakra cost
        • Ability to detect what is going on in the surface
        • Provides protection from suffocation for extended periods of time
    3. Tremor Sense no Jutsu
      • Primary requirements
        • Ranged detection without line of sight
        • Usable while fighting, so no active channeling required at least for close range detection
      • Secondary requirements
        • Enables us to read opponent movement in melee combat with zero vision
      • Tertiary requirements
        • No handseals at level reachable for Hazou
        • Heart and respiratory detection for social awareness
    4. Skidmark no Jutsu
      • Decription: A jutsu that moves a patch (or patches) of ground around very quickly; used for moving ninjas and objects around the battefield
      • Primary requirements
        • The batch of ground doesn't have to be right next to the caster at start
        • Ability to move at least a ninjas worth of mass on top of the patch
      • Secondary requirements
        • We can change the size of the patch of ground
        • The moving patch of ground is stealthy and non-obvious


Commentary (ie NOT PART OF THE PLAN, NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT):
  1. @OliWhail's original plan had us discussing trading the macerator, but that never happened in the update and the letter for Jiraiya has already been handed over to Sarutobi.
  2. We need a consensus on how we're going to react to Yamanaka. As of currently, there is a placeholder there.
    1. Seduce her to bring us under Yamanaka protection
    2. Let her down gently for Akane's benefit
    3. Be a stoic missing-nin, thereby getting the benefits of (1) and (2).
    4. "You really want to know? Being a missing nin is sad. It's sad because once you're outside system, it becomes clear exactly how much time and effort is wasted on maintaining the status quo instead of helping people, even though helping people would be so easy any fresh academy grad could do it. Instead, ninja fight, and the world suffers."
  3. Ditto for our feelings for Akane
  4. What are "White tactics" listed under "Combat contigencies"?
  5. I'm taking suggestions.

I'm going to spin this off into its own plan, for great modularity. I encourage someone else to take over as maintainer.

[X] Action Subplan: Library of Unknown Unknowns

Goals
:
  1. Gain general knowledge relevant to our interests
  2. Gain knowledge relevant to running our merchant empire
  3. Gain knowledge relevant to Hidden Heaven
Methods
  • Seek out a wordworking book for Kagome
    • Because (1) stress-reduction and (2) we'd rather not have to buy one; the freer the better
  • Seek out and read Elemental Nations Vol. 1,2 and 4, unless Nara is willing to lend us a copy (ask him first)
    • Because (1) this is good for building rapport, both by showing genuine interest in one of his interests and the Ben Franklin effect and (2) the freer the better
  • Seek out books that are at the root of a large knowledge tree we know nothing of.
    • If the library is organized by subject, ask a librarian for an introductory book on every subject we anticipate being relevant to our interests. If we're unsure whether a tree of knowledge is going to be relevant, get an introductory book and give up on it if it's looking like a tree we won't use.
    • Because, for all we know, there are fields of knowledge that could prove enormously useful but we don't even know they exist to study them.
  • Seek out books relevant to setting up a merchant empire, if we finish all above books
    • Economics
    • Geography (or caravan routes, if that book exists)
    • Management
    • Because there's a good chance we begin setting up our merchant empire before we come back to Konoha or anywhere else civilized enough to have books.
  • Seek out books relevant to setting up Hidden Heaven, if we finish all above books
    • Physics
    • Chemistry
    • Government
    • Because Hidden Heaven is our long-term goal.


Commentary (ie NOT PART OF THE PLAN, NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT):
  1. I'm having trouble phrasing what we mean by "general knowledge." We want an introductory book on every field of knowledge that may come up for us (math, physics, chemistry, biology, economics, law), but not something like poetry or philosophy.
  2. I'm assuming librarians exist. If not, the plan needs to be reworded to reflect this.
  3. Will some of our reading choices draw suspicion of the "are these merely-nominally-aligned missing-nin up to something that may or may not be aligned with our interests"?
  4. We should probably have an answer prepared for "why are you interested in [book]" that is different from "we're looking to set up a merchant empire" or "we're looking to set up our own hidden village."
  5. Hidden Heaven is sufficiently far off that the best use of our time now may not be researching for it.
  6. I haven't marked anything as (O), since the action plan which calls this has it marked (O). I also haven't marked anything as high-priority.


Questions for our QM's, @eaglejarl and @Velorien
  1. Do libraries organize nonfiction by subject? (Answering "yes" is both reasonable and will make this plan much easier to read.)
  2. Will the library contains librarians who will help us find books?

[X] Ino Response Plan : It's Complicated
  • "It's complicated. None of us wanted to be missing-nin, but we end up being collateral damage in the schemes of some power hungry jounin."
  • "But since then, we've done a lot of things. Fucked up a few times, but also done some good here and there."
  • "You should have seen the faces of the civilian children when Noburi was healing their gapmouth. It was so easy for him, with a tiny application of chakra and jutsu, to give a child a chance at a life without an obvious facial deformity."
    • "He's done so much to help so many people, kept them, and us, from dying."
  • "I have this jutsu that can make walls, usually we use it block kunai and stuff in a fight. But it took me a few hours to give a village solid walls that helped protect them from chakra beasts that could have killed them"
  • "It's not like Konoha out there, it's dangerous. Here you have ninja as protection and support, but there's tons of people in the world who have nothing."
  • "As a team, we really have to rely on each other, there's no safety net. No village we can run to when we're hurt."
  • "But because we're out there, we can do so much more to help. Things that ninja can do in seconds can add years to the lives of civilians. A few jutsu here and there can save lives."
  • "So yeah, it's complicated. It's hard but fulfilling, and I want to do more to help people."
  • "When we're outside the system, it's so obvious how we could make the world better. If we could only get more ninja to fight less and build more."
  • Be truthful but keep opsec
    • Nothing about VHitM
    • No revealing things that isn't already public knowledge (MEW and Nobby's medical skill are known to Team Asuma already.)

[X] Training Noburi: Sneaky Medic
[X] Training Hazou: Sneaky Earth
[X] Training Keiko: Sneaky Wind
[X] Ino Response Plan : It's Complicated
 
Relevant key things which need to happen:
  • Jiraiya wanting it
  • Mari being willing to do so (unclear to what extent she was joking)
  • Jiraiya's superiors letting him marry a non-Leaf-nin and the political fallout esp. with Mist
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if part of why Mari joked with that to us was so that any observers could hear her say that and consider it.

That was roughly the point I was getting at.

I might be mixing up my fanon and canon, but my brain is telling me that the Third is historically the most lax of the Hokage when it comes to who marries who. That's not to negate your third point, mostly just to set a framework for the discussion. As far as the political consequences go, I think Jiraya of all people is best equipped to handle that, plus considering Leaf isn't allied with Mist in any significant way I don't think bringing in a few Mist defectors will spark the flames of conflict.

I think we're about a year in? That said, I would expect very few of the major events of Naruto to happen in MfD. For one, Zabuza never defected from Mist. Second, Orochimaru and others never did anything at the chunnin exams. Some of these are likely a result of QMs changing the world, others from our interference (esp. Swamp and Iron).

I'm not the best at Naruto, but I think we're past the time in canon where Sand invaded (chunnin exams were, like, a month ago?), and it hasn't happened. I don't know if events which have happened mean they'll be delayed in their invasion, won't do it at all, or it's already been attempted and thwarted.
That's what I was wondering about. If we passed the Invasion entirely then it means one of two things;

Leaf doesn't currently have a huge portion of it's infrastructure destroyed, and thus can spend some idle processing time allowing Jiraya's theoretical clan formation,
and/or
Leaf is about to get invaded, because otherwise it will be going to war with Cloud soon. IIRC, the only reason canon Leaf didn't go to war with Cloud is because when they got invaded, Cloud became the strongest Hidden Village and calmed down enough to stop poking at Leaf.
 
[X] Training Noburi: Sneaky Medic
[X] Training Hazou: Sneaky Earth
[X] Training Keiko: Sneaky Wind
[X] Ino Response Plan : It's Complicated
[X] Action Plan: Steal This Plan
 
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[X] Training Noburi: Sneaky Medic
[X] Training Hazou: Sneaky Earth
[X] Training Keiko: Sneaky Wind
[X] Action Plan: Steal This Plan


That said, I wouldn't be surprised if part of why Mari joked with that to us was so that any observers could hear her say that and consider it.

I swear. If Inoue is actually this competent, capable of playing on so many levels at once, we're making her Kage of something or another when we get the chance.
 
So that @MadScientist's vote makes sense. Blatantly stolen from @Radvic. If someone wants to take ownership of these plans, I'll put a link to their post here instead of having them here.

Personally I think my plan does a better job of subtly planting the uplift idea than the plan here.

[] Ino Response Plan: Superiority Complex

Act like we're a big deal. Try to make Ino like us.
    • "Being a missing nin isn't like being a village nin. As a village nin, the mission ends, and you go home to your family. As a missing nin, the struggle to stay alive is constant. There is no end, and you've got to rise to the challenge or die. You learn things. Hard things. Things we don't talk about, but things that help you survive."
      *stare off into the distance*
      • Because Ino likes our mysterious side
    • In conversations, say less rather than more
      • Because many things are better left to the imagination
    • Emphasize the darkness and seriousness of missing-nin life
      • Because emo-Hazou best Hazou.
[] Ino Response Plan: Uplift Seed planting
  • "You really want to know? Being a missing nin is sad. It's sad because once you're outside system, it becomes clear exactly how much time and effort is wasted on maintaining the status quo instead of helping people, even though helping people would be so easy any fresh academy grad could do it. Instead, ninja fight, and the world suffers."
    • Because Ino might like it, and it promotes the ideas of team uplift
  • In conversations, talk about ways that everyday civilians can be helped by basic ninja things
    • Because we want to drive the point home
[] Ino Response Plan: Bubbly Happy Man
  • "You know, it's pretty great! I get to be with my friends all the time, and we're totally free! We can do whatever we want, whenever we want! There's no rules, and we're with a cool lady all the time! It's basically an endless vacation." (might need to roll deception vs. Thousand Yard Stare :p)
    • Because Ino is all about living free, so she'd appreciate that, but also she won't like happy go lucky man, and Akane is our one true love.
  • In conversations, always emphasize the bright side of things
    • Because Ino probably won't like an optimist (based on her liking dark and mysterious people)
[] Ino Response Plan: HAZANE ALL THE WAY!
  • "You know, it was pretty great. I get to hang out and train with the ones I love, and the one I love most of all."
    *look crestfallen*
    "But now she's hurt and it's all my fault."
    *look resolved*
    "But I'm sure if I try hard enough, I can make her happy again!"
    • Because Ino's a stickler for love stories. Maybe she'll help us with Akane?
  • Talk about or reference Akane as much as we can.
    • Because we're star-crossed lovers.
 
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Plan name: Training Hazou: Sneaky Earth

Voters: @bayesclef, @faflec, @hypothermic, @Jello_Raptor, @Langevin, @Radvic
Num votes: 6

Plan name: Training Keiko: Sneaky Wind
Voters: @bayesclef, @faflec, @hypothermic, @Jello_Raptor, @Langevin, @Radvic
Num votes: 6

Plan name: Training Noburi: Sneaky Medic
Voters: @bayesclef, @faflec, @hypothermic, @Jello_Raptor, @Langevin, @Radvic
Num votes: 6

Plan name: Steal This Plan
Voters: @bayesclef, @Chronocide, @hypothermic, @Jello_Raptor, @Radvic
Num votes: 5

Plan name: Ino Response Plan : It's Complicated
Voters: @bayesclef, @hypothermic, @Jello_Raptor, @Langevin
Num votes: 4

Plan name: Action Subplan: Library of Unknown Unknowns
Voters: @bayesclef
Num votes: 1

Plan name: Ino Response: Uplift Seed planting
Voters: @MadScientist
Num votes: 1


Number of voters: 8
 
@bayesclef, how do you feel about adding asking Nara to borrow/take a look at his history book? I'm also not sure we need CCnJ for the default case of that, or for Ino stuff at present. Suggest altering Contingency 1 to only cover "any nontrivial interpersonal interactions if there appears to be a misunderstanding or we're making people upset", or something like that.

I swear. If Inoue is actually this competent, capable of playing on so many levels at once, we're making her Kage of something or another when we get the chance.

Eh, it seems pretty plausible to me. She could easily have been idly thinking about something along those lines anyway (Leaf could protect us from Mist, they're nice as villages go; we have bloodlines and a good relationship with Jiraiya, how do we parlay that into Leaf citizenship?). And if so, it'd naturally come to mind when coming up with flower explanations.
 
Eh, it seems pretty plausible to me. She could easily have been idly thinking about something along those lines anyway (Leaf could protect us from Mist, they're nice as villages go; we have bloodlines and a good relationship with Jiraiya, how do we parlay that into Leaf citizenship?). And if so, it'd naturally come to mind when coming up with flower explanations.

It's not impossible, it's just that if it's true it speaks of Inoue having a level of competence that we didn't notice or acknowledge.
 
@bayesclef, how do you feel about adding asking Nara to borrow/take a look at his history book? I'm also not sure we need CCnJ for the default case of that, or for Ino stuff at present. Suggest altering Contingency 1 to only cover "any nontrivial interpersonal interactions if there appears to be a misunderstanding or we're making people upset", or something like that.

Asking Nara to borrow his history book is in the library subplan.

I've amended contigency 1 as per your suggestion.
 
@bayesclef As amusing as radvic x physics otp is I'd rather be more straightforward with the QMs about where we want the update to end rather than rely on weird meta stuff with Hazou's mind :p

Also, in the bit about talking to Mari about Akane, he should probably address that he wants a serious discussion, not another Ino Incident :p
 
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