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- Phoenix, AZ
"White" is our codeword to designate non-lethal responses. So White tactics means we try real hard not to kill anyone who attacks us (while still defending ourselves).
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
I just want to say that the way you phrased that made me giggle.
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- Phoenix, AZ
My thoughts on this: From a risk minimizing perspective, it's probably best for our personal safety if Yamanaka likes us, which would mean responding positively to her and flirting back (or, being a cool stoic missing-nin). From a "ensure Akane returns to the woods with us" perspective, it's probably best to let Yamanaka down gently. From a shipping perspective, it's entirely subjective.
Personally, I'd advocate just acting normally, responding to Ino's questions. Given that Ino crushed on Susake (who didn't respond to her advances at all), she'd likely still flirt with Hazou, and then when Akane asks us, we can just honestly say to her that we haven't been intentionally doing anything with Ino (which she will likely get).
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
I think Akane would understand if we just said "Mari," and gave her a look. But I support explaining things to her ASAP, anyway, for drama-reduction value.
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- how about no
We should wait to talk to her about such feelings until we have a chat with Lee first (no, I am not shipping Lee and Hazou). Akane's first crush was Lee and we did encourage him to visit her. Until we know how she responds we shouldn't assume Hazou can just form a relationship with Akane at a moment's notice.
Responding positively to Ino is in our best interest at the moment. It keeps our options open, doesn't send mixed signals ('Why did you give me flowers if you weren't interested in me?'), and honestly it should be fun.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Whatever you put in the plan, which I think is what you just said?
I'm certain that a ninja clan who runs a flower shop and is expert in plants would know nothing about poisons, antidotes, or how to develop immunities.
It's an idiom; maybe it's just a New York thing, though? "Chicago pizza? Pah, those guys don't know from pizza!"
You don't know how much it costs. As to why you haven't used it: it's static. It gives a very short-term speed boost which isn't useful for long-distance running. Basically, it's a tailwind that lets you jump a little farther, once, and then you're back to your normal speed. That's fine if you're chasing down a crazy Arikada who is just ahead of you, but not so good if you're putting miles under your feet to stay ahead of pursuers.
Also, this.
Please don't. We need you to do the science so we find immortality. I want to still be writing this quest when I'm 205.Although, if I was really committed to the quest I would obviously just flunk the class
I so wanted to write this. Stupid birthday dinner.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
In the year of 2220, we are stuck in the molasses that is Hidden Mountain diplomacy as we have been for the past fifty years, attempting the challenge that is integrating Mountain into the rest of the nations. XP inflation is on the rise. Send help.
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- how about no
Honestly, this is insufficient in my opinion. Visiting a library is our only chance to see how far science and other disciplines have publicly advanced in MfD as well as gaining the IC knowledge necessary to start any medium to large scale project.
Hazou doesn't know what Hazou doesn't know. This is a huge problem if we ever want to do anything different later on once we have been kicked out of Konoha.
Establishing Hidden Heaven will require in depth knowledge of architecture, but it may also require chemistry, other fields of physics, administration, forming a government, etc. Making a Merchant Empire will require economics, but it may also need data about caravan routes, prices of goods to both buy and sell, organization, etc.
Why not spend an afternoon just browsing what the library has to offer? Learning how far along technology is in MfD will give us a starting point to see how advanced our innovations will be. For example, if we knew that Leaf had no way of creating (relatively) arbitrarily high towers we could have at least tried to haggle with the Hokage for fair compensation for the invention.
We can also look into rumors about possible capabilities of enemies in various locations. Maybe Suna does have flight capabilities, but until we look into it Hazou may be looked at like he's crazy for even suggesting such a thing. Hazou will always be told "well duh" or "of course not, idiot" until we do our due diligence and get that boy a basic education.
For reference, here is what I had had in an action plan awhile back (and I still don't think it's comprehensive enough (it also needs to be updated in light of the latest chapters, like with Kagome and his sudden interest in Asuma's book)):
All of that might be pertinent to our long term plans; we don't know until we look into each though. It will probably take up an entire afternoon to compile what we do and do not have access to, but I firmly believe that it will be worth it in the medium to long term. This is a golden opportunity and we really shouldn't waste it by being short-sighted.
We don't have to read everything in depth right away, but we do need to be familiar with what is out there in the MfD world.
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- Over there
Orochizou is the one true -maru ship.I really want to read those history books to earn Shikamaru's respect (and support my crack ship of Hazomaru).
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- New Delhi, India
Why has no one thought of going to Shikamaru for help with Kei's depression?
Probably because it's not something Hazou knows.
If or when he does know, though, GO TO SHIKAMARU.
He has experience with dealing with depression, and could very likely help.
EDIT: Also, they have similar minds. That could help with things a lot.
However, Kei's problem is depression + PTSD, so yeah.
Probably because it's not something Hazou knows.
If or when he does know, though, GO TO SHIKAMARU.
He has experience with dealing with depression, and could very likely help.
EDIT: Also, they have similar minds. That could help with things a lot.
However, Kei's problem is depression + PTSD, so yeah.
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- how about no
Nah, it's standard practice for the Narutoverse to have defeated frenemies come back, act like they still hate you, and then eventually reconcile. Clearly Neji "snuck" in so he could talk to Noburi again. Neji has probably never been thrashed by someone before so he must have been all flustered when a civilian chakra level ninja pulled a fast one on him. Now Noburi will have to decide if he wants to reciprocate Neji's feelings.
Just another day in shipping paradise.
Threnodist
occupying Haudenosaunee & Osage land she/her/hers
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- Pittsburgh
I saw that, thought it was weird and chopped it up to me not remembering a detail in the previous chapter. Kinda figured that Gai was so overcome by our team's YOUTH! that he wanted Neji to learn how to embrace the YOUTH! from us.
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- Yes.
TBF, I just thought Neji wanted a rematch.
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- ...Nice try.
I'm going to spin this off into its own plan, for great modularity. I encourage someone else to take over as maintainer.
[X] Action Subplan: Library of Unknown Unknowns
Goals:
- Gain general knowledge relevant to our interests
- Gain knowledge relevant to running our merchant empire
- Gain knowledge relevant to Hidden Heaven
- Seek out a wordworking book for Kagome
- Because (1) stress-reduction and (2) we'd rather not have to buy one; the freer the better
- Seek out and read Elemental Nations Vol. 1,2 and 4, unless Nara is willing to lend us a copy (ask him first)
- Because (1) this is good for building rapport, both by showing genuine interest in one of his interests and the Ben Franklin effect and (2) the freer the better
- Read them, starting at the beginning, until either we're finished or are out of time
- Seek out books that are at the root of a large knowledge tree we know nothing of.
- Ask a librarian for an introductory book on every subject we anticipate being relevant to our interests. If we're unsure whether a tree of knowledge is going to be relevant, get an introductory book and give up on it if it's looking like a tree we won't use.
- That is, ask the librarian to iterate through every subject they've divided their nonfiction books into. If we anticipate it being relevant to our interests or are genuinely uncertain, ask for an introductory book in it
- Because, for all we know, there are fields of knowledge that could prove enormously useful but we don't even know they exist to study them.
- Read the introductory bits.
- Order them by importance
- Read them until we're finished or are out of time.
- Ask a librarian for an introductory book on every subject we anticipate being relevant to our interests. If we're unsure whether a tree of knowledge is going to be relevant, get an introductory book and give up on it if it's looking like a tree we won't use.
- Seek out books relevant to setting up a merchant empire, if we finish all above books
- Economics
- Geography (or caravan routes, if that book exists)
- Management
- Because there's a good chance we begin setting up our merchant empire before we come back to Konoha or anywhere else civilized enough to have books.
- Read the introductory bits; order them by importance; read them in that order until we're finished or out of time.
- Seek out books relevant to setting up Hidden Heaven, if we finish all above books
- Physics
- Chemistry
- Government
- Because Hidden Heaven is our long-term goal.
- Read the introductory bits; order them by importance; read them in that order until we're finished or out of time.
Commentary (ie NOT PART OF THE PLAN, NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT):
- I'm having trouble phrasing what we mean by "general knowledge." We want an introductory book on every field of knowledge that may come up for us (math, physics, chemistry, biology, economics, law), but not something like poetry or philosophy.
- I'm assuming librarians exist. If not, the plan needs to be reworded to reflect this.
- Will some of our reading choices draw suspicion of the "are these merely-nominally-aligned missing-nin up to something that may or may not be aligned with our interests"?
- We should probably have an answer prepared for "why are you interested in [book]" that is different from "we're looking to set up a merchant empire" or "we're looking to set up our own hidden village."
- Hidden Heaven is sufficiently far off that the best use of our time now may not be researching for it.
- I haven't marked anything as (O), since the action plan which calls this has it marked (O). I also haven't marked anything as high-priority.
Questions for our QM's, @eaglejarl and @Velorien
Do libraries organize nonfiction by subject? (Answering "yes" is both reasonable and will make this plan much easier to read.)Will the library contains librarians who will help us find books?-
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- The Deep Blue Sea
Perhaps this is just me needing to go back to sleep, but could someone help me understand what the relationship between danger and quest pace is in this case..?
Should our action plans involve how to navigate the conversation we're currently having with Ino?
That seems both immediate and important, albeit likely to start a shipping war.
That seems both immediate and important, albeit likely to start a shipping war.
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- Phoenix, AZ
Presumably because the update included Neji in Asuna's group, which ought to have changed our actions (since Neji is a security threat). If the quest were faster paced, Neji would have still been with the group, rather than being ret-conned out. At least, that's how I'm interpreting it?
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- The Deep Blue Sea
I think they should.
One suggestion for people to riff off of:
"You really want to know? Being a missing nin is sad. It's sad because once you're outside system, it becomes clear exactly how much time and effort is wasted on maintaining the status quo instead of helping people, even though helping people would be so easy any fresh academy grad could do it. Instead, ninja fight, and the world suffers."
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- Phoenix, AZ
Hazou: using romantic attraction to try to expand support for his goals. I like it.
- Location
- USA
I'm kind of worried that all of this emotional drama may be bad for Akane's health. I think we should prioritize doing whatever will stress her out the least over long-term relationship stuff. That means not saying anything about Ino to her for now, since that complicates things greatly. Maybe we could get Mari's advice on how to bring it up in a way that doesn't make her feel bad, but I won't count on it.
There may be long-term relationship drama born out of this, but I'd rather put that off until Akane's better.
There may be long-term relationship drama born out of this, but I'd rather put that off until Akane's better.
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- ...Nice try.
Yes; see point 2 of commentary on Steal This Plan.
Given canon!Ino's attraction to emo-boy Sasuke, I see this as a vote towards "seduce her to bring us under Yamanaka protection", albeit in an uplift-seed-planting way.
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- The Deep Blue Sea
Never let it be said that I do my work inefficiently