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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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well, that certainly was some good punching. for some reason it remided me of the corridor scene from old boy in that despite all the stacked advantages one side had, the other still a figthing chance to the point that it was intense; of course in this instance the side who fought unfairly won. GO LEAF!. One step closer to the end of the known world, for good or ill.
 
faflec said:
Doesn't quote well, sorry.
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CitizenTen said:
Takes around 30 seconds to activate. Anyone tunneling within around a kilometer needs to roll their tunneling technique (or Physique, if working by hand) against the user's Runecrafting. Every shift of failure causes the tunneling to take 1 step down the timeladder longer. Additional narrative effects at GM's choice. Lasts around a week.
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Huh, that's exactly what I remembered. I. e., my estimate is that it stalls them for ~an hour, until they figure out that the underground approach isn't as implacable as the overground one. Optimistically, it takes them a day: until they go fetch some Rain or Rock ninja with a very good tunneling technique. In all probability, Kisame just goes straight through it on the spot.

@Left-Hand Mutant, is this what you had in mind, or there's some additional ruling that the above quote doesn't reference?
 
eaglejarl said:
dug their way out of the rubble with ninjutsu
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is that possible? I'd expect the Iron Earth to lock the rubble in place and make digging out extremely difficult.

Inferno Vulpix said:
To be clear, it's a Physique check only if you're digging by hand, in which case... you're digging by hand. It's good that there's a ruling for that use case, but in practice digging a tunnel by hand is not going to be faster than even a jutsu that's been time laddered down 3-5 times. The use case that actually hurts us is "they have a fast tunneling jutsu that's high enough level to not be overly penalized."
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This. also, we can track tunnelers with ninja-radar and set up killing fields wherever they're about to slowly dig out. if they get past the skyslicers they'll catch a bad case of Rasengan poisoning, then get rushed by Sanin clones.

CitizenTen said:
I dunno. My point is more I don't expect the seige to last very long as the tunnel they have to dig doesn't have to go very far. I give in almost certainly <1 week. With some real chance it'll be <24-48 hours. Do you disagree?
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Before a tunnel exit gets big enough to sqeeze through, they half to dig the opening to be a handspan wide. this inadvertently creates the greatest killbox in ninja history


Proposed next steps:
  • If Tsunade/Mari think it's viable, refill Jounin and send them after fleeing Rain ninja(along with a tracker dog)
  • Hazouclone disposes of all runes safely
  • Hazou searches rubble with ES, looking for summoning scroll, Samehameda, puppet parts, etc
  • Make a coordinated effort to clear rubble and search for the rift scar, spending no more than 30 hours on the search.
    • If we can't find the Rift
      • everybody goes back to leaf.
    • If we find the Rift
      • try to grab a rando rain-nin or Jashinist to interrogate(especially asking what Akatsuki were on-site, and if they ever opened the rift.)
      • try Oro's rift-movers and benchmark their performance. If enough time remains to move the Rift to leaf before expected Akatsuki/AMITY response, do that.
        • If not, relocate the Rift to somewher at least 50 miles away, then everybody goes back to Leaf.
 
Hiding the infused (?) superchiller rune by digging vertically down and allowing it to freefall for the next four days should be a top priority. imagine Itachi discovering the rune, reverse engineering it, and then claiming credit for discovery of 3D dealing!
 
Noumero said:
Huh, that's exactly what I remembered. I. e., my estimate is that it stalls them for ~an hour, until they figure out that the underground approach isn't as implacable as the overground one. Optimistically, it takes them a day: until they go fetch some Rain or Rock ninja with a very good tunneling technique. In all probability, Kisame just goes straight through it on the spot.

@Left-Hand Mutant, is this what you had in mind, or there's some additional ruling that the above quote doesn't reference?
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I thought there was a mechanic-less ruling at some point that Iron Earth would make the ground as resistant to movement as an active rune, and thus be effectively inviolable, which caused me much relief. I do not know where to find this quote, and was surprised to see the currant mechanics for Iron Earth. maybe I'm just wrong/crazy?

Even so, I don't think it's a halting problem, as any tunneling that takes more than a few minutes lets us have an interception force waiting at the exit, and trying to finish digging the exit hole while stuck in a narrow tunnel taking fire from multiple Essies would be extremely fatal. and if they don't know we have Ninja-radar tracking, it's likely that key Akatsuki members might try to sneak in this way and feed us free kill(s).
 
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Localized tunneling is only relevant if you're faster to get from one side to the other than Hazō is at aiming a Remote Explosive and afterward priming a second, very slightly smaller Force Dome.

Also surely we can kill a rando kidnapped jounin from behind a Force Dome.
 
[X] Action Plan: Aftermath
Word Count: <399
  • At the Rift
    • Summon Canvass, give her a vial of Hidan's blood and ask her to do a circuit around the exploded fortress looking for his scent.
      • If Hidan has a fresh trail, end the update so we can react.
    • Sift the rubble with ES, SC and chakrascopes, bring in the rest of the Leaf ninja to help look for the Rift
      • Look for Summoning Scrolls, seals, research notes, or anything of value.
      • Search the Sasori-fortified portion of the labs, be sure to grab any of his seals that remain. Start with Hazou SCs in case there are traps. If any pop, request backup.
      • Invoke 1x or 2x on the final reintegration roll to generate additional SC hours.
      • Ask Orochimaru if he'd be willing to lend us Deidara's eyepiece.
    • After all Primes are at a safe distance, send an SC to remove a chunk of Deidara's Dragon, check if it contains chakra with ES, and chakrascope. If not, store it.
      • Suggest to Orochimaru/Tsunade that we blow the dragon when Akatsuki comes to investigate, by either using a proximity trigger on Lightning element seals or a Summon with Lightning Element lying in wait.
      • Unfortunately, Hazou has neither capability.
    • Expend Iron Earth and Force Dome, store the remains. Bury any Ninja-Radar deep and wrap in LFE. Expend the remaining RER shots, destroy the burned out runes with the last shot.
    • Open a deep shaft for the Superchiller, and set LFEs to collapse the tunnel.
    • Make a Rift-Opener -- use the 25 point size.
      • Open the Rift and grab Deidara (if possible), have Noburi drain him to keep him unconscious.
      • Killbox the exit, and send the Sannin in first.
      • Observe to see if most of the slain ninja ended up near the Rift.
      • Try to build a theory of how the dead appear in the afterlife.
    • Raise the ground where the fortress was to kill any Summoners returning.
    • (If Mari approves) Suggest to Tsunade that she stay with Orochimaru while he's moving the Rift. Both to help him move it....and lower the chance he absconds with it.
    • Leave at dawn for Leaf with Uplift and the Leaf contingent.
    • Contact Kagome via 7th Path and tell him the battle is won, and he should come back.
 
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Sir Stompy said:
How fast can Orochimaru move the Rift with Noburi's assistance?
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I would suggest keeping Tsunade with them as well, both for Noburi's sanity as well as to help keep Oro honest, as well as to keep the group safer while they're moving the rift, and I guess also contribute chakra to the rune investments.

I would also have Hazou suggest he run back to Leaf and immediately Force Dome it and see what they think.
 
Left-Hand Mutant said:
Before a tunnel exit gets big enough to sqeeze through, they half to dig the opening to be a handspan wide. this inadvertently creates the greatest killbox in ninja history
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This is a terrible no good very bad plan/idea. And brings up my point on how the siege won't last long. As once they break through the runes, it's only a matter of time before they break through the tunnels and Leaf falls. They can tunnel at multiple points (its a big circle remember) And they have a huge army of ninja to draw from (remember Amity) And they have bs magical powers that they can combine in unique and interesting ways. The siege won't last long at that point.

Just as weak example, Kisame has bs water powers that he can flood an open tunnel with and throw a bunch of shark summons through. You really wanna be the person that has to defend against a gushing water stream? For days?
 
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Sir Stompy said:
Suggest opening the Rift to grab a prisoner to interrogate, Deidara himself, even, and to determine if post-death afterlife location maps 1-to-1 with the Human Path
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I don't think we should open the rift. Akasuki don't appear to have been near accomplishing it. Opening it now just gives them the ability to access the afterlife and opens a can of worms with regards to Oro. And the whole rift race was predicated on opening the rift first. If we don't open it, the rift race stops and it's under our control. Only we or Oro can open it. Once it's open, anyone can use it. It's better for all it it remains closed for now until we have time to really Fish in the Rift.
 
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CitizenTen said:
I don't think we should open the rift. Akasuki don't appear to have been near accomplishing it. Opening it now just gives them the ability to access the afterlife and opens a bag of worms with regards to Oro. And the whole rift race was predicated on opening the rift first. If we don't open it, the rift race stops and it's in our control. Only Oro or us can open it. Once it's open, everyone can use it. It's better for all it it remains closed for now until we have time to really Fish in the Rift.
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It closes naturally over time, right? Just pop it open for a few hours.
 
Reading the iron earth mechanics, it explicitly says that a v2 rune would be much stronger. Is researching this beyond the realm of possibility for a 'defend leaf with runes' plan?
 
eaglejarl said:
Prep Iron Earth Rune. Difficulty Result: Hazō thinks exerting a full 5SB-style freeze on a massive volume would be pretty hard, and instead preps a milder version that merely makes all earth in reach have massively increased inertia, runic-drag style, which wouldn't completely prevent tunneling, but would make it prohibitively slow. In this context 'tunneling' would include anything that causes the earth to move, including shovels, HLAM, Earthshaping, Bones of Creation, and Tunnel Excavation. Anything that made material simply disintegrate would probably not be affected, but Hazō is not aware of any jutsu that does that. Difficulty Result: Easy.
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@Noumero @Left-Hand Mutant
 
Shrooms said:
I would suggest keeping Tsunade with them as well, both for Noburi's sanity as well as to help keep Oro honest, as well as to keep the group safer while they're moving the rift, and I guess also contribute chakra to the rune investments.

I would also have Hazou suggest he run back to Leaf and immediately Force Dome it and see what they think.
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I was thinking keep Tsunade with Oro, Hazou and Nobs go to Leaf to fortify it, then once that's done they rejoin(?) Orochimaru.
 
Wow, what a chapter. Thanks for writing ! I was very tense all the way through.
I actually woke up at 4am to read this. Now I must go back to sleep...

Sir Stompy said:
No I think much, much less time. 1-2 weeks maybe. With the complexity down from veterancy? We could do it quickly.
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And with how SC works, if we're spending time researching we could also work on another easy rune or two while we're at it. How about also working on an improvement to ninja radar ?

Unrelated: @eaglejarl, @Paperclipped, @Velorien, do we unstag anything from this battle ?
 
CitizenTen said:
How far can shadow clones go? Or how far away can we activate the runes? Could we quickly put up a force dome around Leaf and immediately scram?
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Shadow clones can go 1/2 * (Aspect Bonus) miles from Prime. Hazō has Shadow Clone at 40, meaning AB 5, so his clones can be at most 2.5 miles from him. Runes can only be activated through physical contact.

Zampano said:
imagine Itachi discovering the rune, reverse engineering it, and then claiming credit for discovery of 3D sealing!
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[emphasis added]

I love that this is the part you're worried about. :>
 
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