Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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So you're telling me that we did a test for TN150, and then right after did a test for TN130.
...why
EDIT: Ignore me, I read "TR 150" and thought "an explosive rune with a TN of 150". My mistake.
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The discrepancy is that when we originally settled on TR130, it had additional specifications which were intended to reduce the difficulty (small radius, short timespan) but which I guessed might have been actually raising the difficulty, given how runes seem to prefer very big effects. When we gave that a try and prepped "unchained TR150", the result was a lot more favourable:
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Yeah no, that's my fault entirely, I misinterpreted TR as TN.
Oh this makes a lot more sense.
Thread reading comprehension remains at historic lows.
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lmao yeah, that's my fault.
So I agree, we can slot TR 150s w/ Explosiver Runes or Force Domes as our SSA track runes, and with other Shadow Clones emphasize Landmine Runes and other easy-to-do seals. Storm Runes? JADLRs maybe, but I'm not too familiar with the light-fuckery research path so I'm not sure about them.
Emstar
The Shining One
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The point of these ones are to make a region of blindingly intense light so that people within it cannot see by default. Hand out ES'd sunglasses to our guys so that they can stomp on the 2-3 Akatsuki members that don't have blindfighting prepared. No light fuckery bullshit necessary, but maybe they buff that one summon's Sun Element thing sky high which would be a nice bonus.
Combo it with the landmine trigger or the pocket space rune.
Zampano
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Inventing the paradigm-shifting weapon technology of "Artillery" as a byproduct of grinding veterancy for remote-microwave-deathrays would be a really fun way to close out this arc.
I have been hoping that Remote [Effect] Runes would be within Hazo's capabilities for multiple calendar months now 🤩
Light-fuckery using our own power source is dead in the water since collimators came back so difficult. Maybe the spatial version is worth doing after we do Pokect Space?
For non-SSA tracks, I think we should finish off Icarus, and I think Air Stilling is still worth doing, after that Landmine and then Storm seem good. For SSA tracks yes I agree.
Might be worth doing 1-2 no prep yes DoB cycles to finish off TR130 for veterancy and Icarus for fun.
One: thank you for these. Two:
I would like to register support for researching this ASAP. If this was well within our capabilities with SSA at eff. PS 44, it should be trivial with DoB now, and it's exactly the class of rune we need for our primary objective of assaulting a static location. (The range might not turn out to be good enough, but we've got a lot of room to improve the rune once we research the base model.) We might even be able to do it in a non-DoB track (I think our eff. PS then would be 40-ish?), though I don't know if that makes sense given the chakra limitations we're under.
Other comments on these prep days:
Seems like removing runic drag is probably out of our reach for the foreseeable future.
This seems extremely useful, though I'd note that since our ideal scenario is killing all our enemies in a single attack before they even know we're there, it should maybe be considered lower priority than the remote explosive rune.
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I think Explosiver Runes are probably lower priority than Force Domes? They're probably about the same difficulty, but with the Remote-Explosion Rune we might turn out to have offense covered, whereas Runic Air Domes as they currently stand are probably insufficient for defense.
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Consider, however, the scenario in which we invest in remote-explosive runes and try blowing up our enemies from a mile away. It would be much easier if we could detonate the runes over the course of a combat round as opposed to ~30s.
Also consider that we can invest the detonator aspect onto things like Force Domes, which need to be activated quickly to handle barrages from Konan or Deidara.
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Could try delegating the collimation to summon-provided sun element jutsu. Since dogs can maybe see further into the blue-violet end of the spectrum than humans, might even be possible to make the beam invisible to the target but still fully apparent to friendlies.
Would it? We have to be there for an hour to infuse the runes anyway. Does a 30-second activation delay make that much difference?
Edit: Or are you talking about the uncertainty in activation timing making it difficult to sync the explosions, if we use multiple runes?
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A bit of both; it might take an hour to infuse the runes but it would be ideal to be there a while in advance so that we can choose the best time to attack/detonate the explosives. Syncing the explosives is also important so that whoever we attack has nowhere to go that isn't exploding.
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I don't necessarily agree that power was the issue here. Runes seem to have plenty of power and difficulty comes from tuning for precision and conditions.
The collimator rune described warping light to tightly focus it into a beam. This (presumably?) involves warping space or bending light without any sort of described medium.
That's entirely different from a rune that emits its own light constantly and omnidirectionally. (and we already have seals that emit light)
The light saturation rune sounds promising and I don't think we should consider the difficulty of collimators to inform the difficulty of a rune that emits light.
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Sorry if this has already been discussed, but what if we researched a time-freeze rune? We know that it's possible, since we accidentally froze insects during our TR research, and if we can hit Akatsuki with it, then we can take a large amount of time to set up a killzone all around them (or whatever else we decide to do).
Spector29
It Only Gets Worse From Here
Huzzah, my Remote Explosive runes are actually viable! Now we can start working on humanity's greatest tool for spreading Managed Ninja Democracy! First, a stepping stone rune for veterancy purposes, then the big money. (If 'as X rune' isn't acceptable, I'll change it when I'm not on Mobile)
Repeat Remote Explosive Rune
As Remote Explosive rune, but continually generates explosions in the suggested location over the course of [one minute]. Deactivates after the duration.
Artillery Rune (fixed)
As Repeat Remote Explosive rune, but only begins firing after a programmable delay. Additionally, subsequent explosions after the first happen slightly farther away from the original explosion, moving at regular intervals.
Artillery Rune (dynamic)
As Repeat Remote Explosive rune, but only begins firing after a programmable delay. Additionally, the directional arrow used for targeting the explosions may be adjusted as a Supplemental.
Repeat Remote Explosive Rune
As Remote Explosive rune, but continually generates explosions in the suggested location over the course of [one minute]. Deactivates after the duration.
Artillery Rune (fixed)
As Repeat Remote Explosive rune, but only begins firing after a programmable delay. Additionally, subsequent explosions after the first happen slightly farther away from the original explosion, moving at regular intervals.
Artillery Rune (dynamic)
As Repeat Remote Explosive rune, but only begins firing after a programmable delay. Additionally, the directional arrow used for targeting the explosions may be adjusted as a Supplemental.
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We have; it was beyond Hazou's capabilities at the time. I make no comment on whether it would be easier to make an equivalent rune that has a larger AOE/lasts longer.
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Umm, sorry if I'm dense, but I think the rune infused in the chapter you linked is one of the TRs (we were calling them Fast Forward runes at the time, I think) and the only mention of the Time Stop rune that I saw was in the report of the discussion with Kei and Kagome.
Did we ever do a prep day on the Time Stop? Even if we did, it might be worth trying again now that we have DoB.
A spreadsheet of the prep days we've done can be found via the seal documents Informational post. The prep day for this rune is in the spoiler, and it's called the "Pause Rune" which may be why you didn't find it:
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Comment the first: y'all need to ease up on the acronyms. Took me a second to figure out what a JADLR was. 
Comment the second: Please, for the love of lasagna, find a better name than 'Time Rune' or at least don't initialize it as TR. Too easy to confuse with TN, as we just now saw.
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Comment the second: Please, for the love of lasagna, find a better name than 'Time Rune' or at least don't initialize it as TR. Too easy to confuse with TN, as we just now saw.
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mostly ponwog but aligns with QM discussion: Seals and runes tend to exist in islands of stability such that a certain amount of modification is possible but the moment you alter it too far you fall off the edge of the island and the difficulty goes from (e.g.) "trivial" to "holy heck not on your best day a century of practice from now". (That is hyperbole, somewhat.)
There were a few in Orochimaru's dossier.
There was a time loop fanfic I read a while back where...Sakura?...and her team rocked up to clans and traded them multiple S-rank ninjutsu for essentially anything they were willing to trade, knowing that the trade would be undone in the next loop. Was that Time Braid? If not, anyone know what it was?
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Whoops, my bad. Thanks!
[X] Armageddon Initiative
That was Time Braid.
It was UGLSP for me - I actually started writing a comment about "hey, I think there's a risk the QMs might find this confusing" but then I worked it out and figured you-plural would find it easy since you were more familiar with everything. Possibly I should have said it anyway!Comment the first: y'all need to ease up on the acronyms. Took me a second to figure out what a JADLR was.
I think it's "Temporal Rune" rather than "Time Rune", actually?
I've observed the behaviour - thanks for clarifying. My thought was that there might be improvements we could make prior to that cutoff, i.e. that the island might have some curvature; I was thinking more in terms of "100m to 200m" than "100m to 10km".
This behaviour also occurs throughout Mother of Learning, although there it's more often material goods or apprenticeship contracts being undone than secrets (mostly because MoL doesn't really have the same kind of standalone S-rank-tricks that Naruto does, you have to bargain for being taught whole fields if you want to get the good stuff).
Emstar
The Shining One
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But in my defense, using the latter to take down an organization whose name translates to "Dawn" would both be magnanimously poetic and 10,000% Jiraiya Approved