I say we should be completely up-front about Toffee and the Prophecy, ask Xanatos what he thinks of Shego and get Genghis the Utahraptor.
DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
- Thread starter Made in Heaven
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how do you check that?
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[] Plan Trust Xanatos' pragmatism + Utahraptor
@Simon_Jester you have the same plan as this one but possibly with a different dino.
Wait, it's Daylight Savings again? Where?
@Simon_Jester you have the same plan as this one but possibly with a different dino.
Wait, it's Daylight Savings again? Where?
I doubt Xanatos would be dumb enough that he can't figure out our mention, I mean his whole thing is plans and testing people as seen in the previous interlude.
Lab_Accident
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Truthfully, if he hadn't come from a good success and had decenf loyalty, I'd suspect him of just trying to poach dinosaur DNA for his projects.
Government has no incentive to go along with this narrative, it'd just cost us goodwill with them.
Okay, I'm confused. Why do we think that, if we tell Xanatos what Doofenshmirtz knows about Toffee, he's likely to think it's an actual threat? What we know about Toffee is:
- He's an enemy of Janna's friends
- He is from another dimension
Why would this be enough to convince Xanatos Toffee is an actual threat to the Earth, instead of a potential-threat just like every other King?
Remember back before Toffee's interlude when we were still arguing back and forth over wether or not Toffee's conquest of Mewni was just? Just the fact that he led an oppressed people to take back their rightful land against their oppressors does not, by itself, paint Toffee in a bad light. What else do we have to offer Xanatos?
Problem is, do we KNOW these things about Toffee, IC? Or do we just have our teenage intern's vague warnings that he's bad news, even though he hasn't done anything serious yet?
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We have "He's an interdimensional genocidal warlord."
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Okay so I looked over the times other people posted and well its weird.
One post says it was posted at 2:34 and the next post says 59 minutes ago. Now apparently I am missing an hour here. Weird. Also its been 1 hour.
removing vote. My bad. Sorry everyone.
One post says it was posted at 2:34 and the next post says 59 minutes ago. Now apparently I am missing an hour here. Weird. Also its been 1 hour.
removing vote. My bad. Sorry everyone.
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OK when I can't decide between right now is between being upfront with the alliance plans, and just asking what he thinks about Sheego. The former seems unlikely to work on a manipulator like Xanatos, but the latter would be out of character and thus possibly provoke undesired suspicion. Need help.
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We know Toffee has conquered the alternate dimension of Mewni and has now created a powerbase on Earth.
Xanatos will see right through asking about Shego which is exactly what we want.
It lets him consider alliances on his own terms rather than bullrushing him.
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Lab_Accident
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"Interdimensional" is not a bad thing. The "genocidal" might be, IF we know he genocided the mewmen, but even then there's the point that the mewmen genocided his people first, and Toffee lived to see it. Over and over again.
The "warlord" is pretty much irrelevant, we're all Kings here, we all have military firepower to throw around.
Even IF Xanatos was convinced that Toffee was a potential threat, what in the information we currently have would convince the man that Toffee is currently a threat to Xanatos himself?
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I think we're on the same page here. I'm saying we should hint at Toffee being bad news and let the information gap/Xanatos' curiosity look into him. QM did confirm full disclosure would be more presented concrete evidence of Toffee's supernatural and extradimensional shenanigans over "he's hunting some teens" but I'm of the opinion that giving all our info on the first car ride is a bad look/"foot in the door" is better here.
We managed to find evidence of sketchy ass shit with fucking Tobe and have Janna's testimony. Xanatos can probably find more tbh.
I think we're on the same page here. I'm saying we should hint at Toffee being bad news and let the information gap/Xanatos' curiosity look into him. QM did confirm full disclosure would be more presented concrete evidence of Toffee's supernatural and extradimensional shenanigans over "he's hunting some teens" but I'm of the opinion that giving all our info on the first car ride is a bad look/"foot in the door" is better here.
We managed to find evidence of sketchy ass shit with fucking Tobe and have Janna's testimony. Xanatos can probably find more tbh.
kfrar
Aspiring Encyclopedia
For reference, this is what Doof knows, IC, about Toffee:
So we do know about the murder, the magic (from Star's wand), the immortality, the warlording, the domestic powerbase, the Dimensional Scissors, the monster hit squads, and the making Janna cry. We specifically do not know about the plans for genocide.
Lab_Accident
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Oh, yeah. I tend to agree. If nothing else, because we're probably the only other King who's showed David we know about magic, so if we tell him Toffee is a potential danger, he'll likely at least look into it.
A lot of our current influence with Xanatos (as per the Xanatos-Goofy interlude) stems from the fact that he cannot accurately gauge just how competent we are and just how much we know, and since he's Xanatos, he tends towards the cautious.
Showing him our hand straight-out will pretty much tell him the limits of our (current) information-gathering capabilities and give him at least a vague idea of how we operate. In this instance, I'm tempted to pull a Mirage: be Mysterious.
Now as to the prophecy, it's full disclosure.
I really wish we could get a glimpse at how hard Xanatos is Screaming Internally right now. 
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Yes! Even if we wanna be buddies you have to hold some cards close to your chest.
We know some refuges from Phobos have landed in New York. See the 2G omake.
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[] Plan Trust Xanatos' pragmatism + Utahraptor
We don't want Xanatos to get even a slightest idea to team up with Toffee, and telling him everything we know including Toffee's immortality would definitely have him at least consider it. He's Xanatos, he will build every plan that works and that includes partnering up with Toffee until he knows the secret to the lizard immortality then betrays him afterwards.
Telling him that Toffee is dangerous will surely led him checking out Toffee himself to confirm it, and let us hide the immortality bit. This will also hide our true competency to Xanatos.
Telling him that Toffee is dangerous will surely led him checking out Toffee himself to confirm it, and let us hide the immortality bit. This will also hide our true competency to Xanatos.
Then it's not bad as I had thought, although I still think that telling him about our plans for a triple alliance seems more IC.
I really agree with this. We shouldn't be telling him everything, especially when we don't even know about the most important part (the I wanna kill all humans thing). And, actually, aren't most of the arguments for full disclosure based on that bit of information that we don't know IC?
AProcrastinator
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I also think that making the dinosaur subvote part of the Plan voting for something entirely different is something I'd like to grumble about for a bit.
...okay, grumbling over!
I come down on the side that it makes the most sense from a rational actor's perspective to fully inform re: Toffee and the prophecy, and subtly make overtures towards Shego. However, other people are arguing for that specific set of votes better than I ever could, and furthermore, there may be angles I'm not considering.
Here's the deal, though. What would be the most in-character and fun votes to choose?
I see Doofenschmirtz wanting to go full-on-in with a partnership with David Xanatos, and not hesitating in the slightest to tell him everything he knows ... before remembering what the heck "Subtlety" is at the last second and awkwardly segueing into a discussion of Shego that isn't at all subtle. I see, whether these overtures are successful or not, future turns which are much more dynamic and reactive on both Xanatos' and, potentially, Shego and Toffee's parts than they would be otherwise. I foresee interesting times, which is one of the things I read this Quest for.
Another thing I read this Quest for is putting Genghis Khan on dinosaur horses. So let's bring out the dinosaur horses.
[] Plan: Get on Your Scaly High Horse
-[] Tell Xanatos everything you know about Toffee
-[] Tell Xanatos Celena's prophecy verbatim
-[] Ask Xanatos what he thinks about Shego
-[] Hybrid Dinosaur Horse
...okay, grumbling over!
I come down on the side that it makes the most sense from a rational actor's perspective to fully inform re: Toffee and the prophecy, and subtly make overtures towards Shego. However, other people are arguing for that specific set of votes better than I ever could, and furthermore, there may be angles I'm not considering.
Here's the deal, though. What would be the most in-character and fun votes to choose?
I see Doofenschmirtz wanting to go full-on-in with a partnership with David Xanatos, and not hesitating in the slightest to tell him everything he knows ... before remembering what the heck "Subtlety" is at the last second and awkwardly segueing into a discussion of Shego that isn't at all subtle. I see, whether these overtures are successful or not, future turns which are much more dynamic and reactive on both Xanatos' and, potentially, Shego and Toffee's parts than they would be otherwise. I foresee interesting times, which is one of the things I read this Quest for.
Another thing I read this Quest for is putting Genghis Khan on dinosaur horses. So let's bring out the dinosaur horses.
[] Plan: Get on Your Scaly High Horse
-[] Tell Xanatos everything you know about Toffee
-[] Tell Xanatos Celena's prophecy verbatim
-[] Ask Xanatos what he thinks about Shego
-[] Hybrid Dinosaur Horse
Lab_Accident
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Point of order: we know about the murder, magic, warlording, immortality, dimensional scissors, and domestic powerbase.
I don't know if what Janna told us directly leads towards genociding the mewmen, beyond what would be required to normally take over a kingdom.
The monster "hit" squads, sure. We know about them, in the sense that they were inept and prioritized stealing Star's wand over killing her? And also, that Star was starting to pity them for not being all bad.
Basically, everything Toffee has done so far (that we know) could neatly fall inside the narrative of "led a successful revolution against an oppressive magical regime". If we don't know how much Xanatos already knows (and if Toffee reached out to us it is possible he reached out to others he talked with at the Sands, like Xanatos), telling him what little we know might actually lead him to dismiss our concerns as being overly sentimental.
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...wait, don't task votes exist for this specific purpose?
[Disclosure] and [Dinosaur] would be good tags for them.
[Disclosure] and [Dinosaur] would be good tags for them.
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I think a Dinosaur Horse would be awesome but I'd really like to know what it looks like, cause some designs are better than others.