DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
- Thread starter Made in Heaven
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- United Kingdom
Even just warning him that somethings off might be enough to get him to look more closely.
Say there's also another point to consider about Toffee.
Had Toffee approached Xanatos? Because whether he had done it or not changes the severity of how we should deal with this.
Had Toffee approached Xanatos? Because whether he had done it or not changes the severity of how we should deal with this.
- Location
- Germany
While unfortunately I probably won´t be around for when the ban falls, here my opinion:
Toffee
[ ] Tell Xanatos everything you know about Toffee
Celena's prophecy
[ ] Tell Xanatos Celena's prophecy verbatim
Those two are easy - we want/need him to be on the lookout for those threats, so he needs to get the whole truth without any vagueness (*especially* in the case of prophecies vagueness isn´t something we can allow ourselves)
Shego
[ ] Ask Xanatos what he thinks about Shego
I *really* want that Alliance to start ASAP, but overwhelming David friggin Xanatos (or Shego later on as well for that matter) with plans he´s got no say in from the start is a bad idea, so we should first hear out his opinion on Shego (and vice versa once we get to talk to her)
Temujin Dinosaur Mount Vote
[ ] Utahraptor- While certain other dinosaur creators out there might be willing to change the name because it sounds cooler, you have more integrity than that! Plus, Utah is one of your home states. You did let a little Velociraptor DNA get in here though, just for the Mongolian rep. About the size of a well-fed warhorse and exceptionally carnivorous, this thing seems a worthy steed.
As I said before, Mongols excelled at hit-n-run attacks and for stuff like that an Utahraptor would be the best choice.
Toffee
[ ] Tell Xanatos everything you know about Toffee
Celena's prophecy
[ ] Tell Xanatos Celena's prophecy verbatim
Those two are easy - we want/need him to be on the lookout for those threats, so he needs to get the whole truth without any vagueness (*especially* in the case of prophecies vagueness isn´t something we can allow ourselves)
Shego
[ ] Ask Xanatos what he thinks about Shego
I *really* want that Alliance to start ASAP, but overwhelming David friggin Xanatos (or Shego later on as well for that matter) with plans he´s got no say in from the start is a bad idea, so we should first hear out his opinion on Shego (and vice versa once we get to talk to her)
Temujin Dinosaur Mount Vote
[ ] Utahraptor- While certain other dinosaur creators out there might be willing to change the name because it sounds cooler, you have more integrity than that! Plus, Utah is one of your home states. You did let a little Velociraptor DNA get in here though, just for the Mongolian rep. About the size of a well-fed warhorse and exceptionally carnivorous, this thing seems a worthy steed.
As I said before, Mongols excelled at hit-n-run attacks and for stuff like that an Utahraptor would be the best choice.
- Location
- Pennsylvania
It's 'tell everything (pertinent) that you know about Toffee", not "tell everything you know about everything." There's not really a reason to mention Marco or Cazador.
Probably but we're not planning on lying and Xanatos of all people understands telling someone the truth but not spilling everything you have
I think that's more "You definitely know stuff is happening" not "You have conclusive proof that Toffe is up to stuff"
Not to mention that being able to prove that Toffee has a way of transporting vast amounts of corn isn't the same as being able to prove that he's an immortal interdimensional magical warlord
Not really, Xanatos is a competent and curious man if we tell him that Toffee is a problem as well as giving him a dangerous prophecy he'll do the rest of the investigating himself
We didn't do anything wrong but Janna is as loyal as she is because we promised to reunite her with her friends, if her friends work for Xanatos instead she could very well decide to go with them
Considering that "everything about Toffee" requires explaining the situation with Star as well I doubt we can avoid it
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- Who knows?
So in general here is where I'm leaning.
--Hints about Toffee
--Fill disclosure on prophecy
--ask about Shego
--Dino Horse.
Essentially the prophecy is our quid pro quo for him inviting us. Also it's shorter than Toffee flashbacks and we have in character and Meta reasons to think it's very very immedietly relevant to Xanatos.
In general I think it's a bad idea to spill our guts about all our info in the damn first car ride and the "alliance" is definitely a pie in the sky dream right now. Not to mention I feel like vague hints will grab Xanatos' attention more. Sure we're a diseased lunatic but from his perspective we're oddly like the Oracle of Delphi. Mad but prescient.
Dino horse since I feel some unnatural fused abomination fits our mad science vibe more.
--Hints about Toffee
--Fill disclosure on prophecy
--ask about Shego
--Dino Horse.
Essentially the prophecy is our quid pro quo for him inviting us. Also it's shorter than Toffee flashbacks and we have in character and Meta reasons to think it's very very immedietly relevant to Xanatos.
In general I think it's a bad idea to spill our guts about all our info in the damn first car ride and the "alliance" is definitely a pie in the sky dream right now. Not to mention I feel like vague hints will grab Xanatos' attention more. Sure we're a diseased lunatic but from his perspective we're oddly like the Oracle of Delphi. Mad but prescient.
Dino horse since I feel some unnatural fused abomination fits our mad science vibe more.
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Toffee:
I'm not sure if we should. That would imply telling Xanatos about Mewny, Star, Marco, the Dimensional Scissors, etc. Can we trust Xanatos to help us against Toffe? Sure. Can we trust Xanatos to not try to "poach" some of those things? Not so much.
Another thing that bothers me is that Xanatos hasn't done so much to gain our confidence, and we would be trusting him with very heavy secrets. Secrets that took a lot of time and trust to get out of Janna.
I pretty much prefer this. We can always tell him about Toffee later. And while it's possible that Xanatos might discover that we aren't telling him all that we know about Toffe that's fine, he could always go and discover for himself the full extent of the trouble that is Toffee.
However, don't mentioning him at all seems unwise, more so when Xanatos is the most magic guy we know, and the one that would most likely help us, precisely because of that.
Celena's prophecy:
The prophecy's not of the kind that would allow Xanatos to take advantage of it before we do, but one that warns us of very serious, mascarade breaking consequences. So I'm all for sharing it.
This seems stupid to be honest, sharing vague details about a prophecy is always a bad idea. Either you share it completely or you don't.
Better than mentioning only vague details, but we will need allies to deal with the clusterfuck that will happen and Xanatos seems pretty reliable, at least on that front.
Shego:
This seems pretty in-character for Doof and we did have a good roll with Shego so it should be possible, especially given the stakes of failing to stop Toffee and the Prophecy.
This comes as pretty undecisive to me, as if we can't judge her for ourselves, and if we can't judge her then why are we even planning to reach her out?
This is always an option, after all, it's not like Xanatos will be telling us all the allies he has.
I'm not sure if we should. That would imply telling Xanatos about Mewny, Star, Marco, the Dimensional Scissors, etc. Can we trust Xanatos to help us against Toffe? Sure. Can we trust Xanatos to not try to "poach" some of those things? Not so much.
Another thing that bothers me is that Xanatos hasn't done so much to gain our confidence, and we would be trusting him with very heavy secrets. Secrets that took a lot of time and trust to get out of Janna.
I pretty much prefer this. We can always tell him about Toffee later. And while it's possible that Xanatos might discover that we aren't telling him all that we know about Toffe that's fine, he could always go and discover for himself the full extent of the trouble that is Toffee.
However, don't mentioning him at all seems unwise, more so when Xanatos is the most magic guy we know, and the one that would most likely help us, precisely because of that.
Celena's prophecy:
The prophecy's not of the kind that would allow Xanatos to take advantage of it before we do, but one that warns us of very serious, mascarade breaking consequences. So I'm all for sharing it.
This seems stupid to be honest, sharing vague details about a prophecy is always a bad idea. Either you share it completely or you don't.
Better than mentioning only vague details, but we will need allies to deal with the clusterfuck that will happen and Xanatos seems pretty reliable, at least on that front.
Shego:
This seems pretty in-character for Doof and we did have a good roll with Shego so it should be possible, especially given the stakes of failing to stop Toffee and the Prophecy.
This comes as pretty undecisive to me, as if we can't judge her for ourselves, and if we can't judge her then why are we even planning to reach her out?
This is always an option, after all, it's not like Xanatos will be telling us all the allies he has.
But there would be reason to mention Star?
mangawriter77
Otaku^9000 (In my own opinion)
- Location
- You'll neeever guess
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
He wouldn't be. Russ would get him out, but Toffee would catch him in act and think Marco had hired help. The point is, he'd know of Marco's actions, he just wouldn't know he was acting on our orders. Which makes it the perfect opportunity to hide Marco in Doofania, because with Toffee upping the manhunt for Marco, he has less manpower to use to spy on us. So, Doofania makes the perfect hiding place
- Location
- United Kingdom
One thing to consider is that our idiot savant reputation is starting to disappear (I think?). Considering Shego started thinking more positively of us after we acted competently during the heist, I figured Xanatos would do the same if we prove we can act with some sense of subtlety here.
mangawriter77
Otaku^9000 (In my own opinion)
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- You'll neeever guess
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Not really. All Xanatos needs to know is that Toffee overthrew the royal family, which one of our friends has close ties to. That's why we're involved in this. Like MiH said, we don't have to mention Marco or Star at all
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- washington
we just got qm confirmation we don't need to tell about marco or cazador.
- Location
- The great frozen north
QM already said we won't mention everything and stuff like Marco.
- Location
- Pennsylvania
There's a difference between saying "the evil lizard is an interdimensional warlord, look at [relevant supernatural happenings in Arizona], don't fall for his innocent old me routine" and "the evil lizard is chasing down a very specific group of teenagers."
- Location
- Who knows?
Thank you for putting my hesitance re full Toffee discloure the very first hour we meet up in better words than I can. I am also I total agreement re your thoughts on the prophecy-our only "gain" there is potentially stopping it so why not share?
SolipsistSerpent
Endlessly Devouring
What? No, we cannot trust that at all. We can only trust that Xanatos won't act in ways that disadvantage him more than our enemies.
If he thought destroying us to weaken Toffee was a good move, he'd take it.
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- washington
I would rather tell xanatos stuff now as delaying it will just cost us more actions to tell him later. I understand paranoia with xanatos. But, we don't really have any opposing goals or things we want that would cause him to betray us at least not for now.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
That has too many moving parts. Any serious intel work should follow the K.I.S.S. principle; the more steps a plan requires, and the more things you need to rely on, the worse of a plan it is. Even if you have a good grasp on their capabilities, character, and likely reactions, it's still not a good idea to try and flex with them when there are actual stakes. And, as we see with the scissors, Toffee definitely has the capabilities to make valuable items or people he has control over difficult to spirit away, so we can't guarentee a Russ exfiltration if he gets made.
Bill is not savvy enough that Xanatos wouldn't see through him as soon as they meet.
mangawriter77
Otaku^9000 (In my own opinion)
- Location
- You'll neeever guess
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Okay, that is fearmongering. STOP IT. You have absolutely nothing to back up that claim and saying that is just gonna start a panic. Don't say stuff like this again, please!!!!
- Location
- USA
We cannot vote now. The time is being weird on my computer.
But I am voting for this.
[] Plan: Doofenshmirtz Diplomacy
-[] Allude to Toffee being a problem
-[] Tell Xanatos Celena's prophecy verbatim
-[] Ask Xanatos what he thinks about Shego
-[] Utahraptor
But I am voting for this.
[] Plan: Doofenshmirtz Diplomacy
-[] Allude to Toffee being a problem
-[] Tell Xanatos Celena's prophecy verbatim
-[] Ask Xanatos what he thinks about Shego
-[] Utahraptor
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The moratorium's two hours. It's only been 1
I doubt it, Xanatos is far more savvy and less genuinely evil than you're giving him credit for