QMs say that this won't reduce the time it takes to make a runic blank compared to forming it from scratch.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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That is, the joining process of the two haves would take as long as creating the entire thing from scratch?
If the whole process makes the same amount of time and the joining portion itself only takes a few moments, then we just solved our "can't carry RER2s from the Seventh Path" problem.
That's my understanding of the QM's answer, yes.
That's correct. Our problem is unsolved. Runes are still not very mobile, especially the larger ones.
@Sir Stompy , @Left-Hand Mutant , both your plans currently say to trap Akatsuki in a Force Dome before the RER alpha strike. However, Force Domes have a diameter twice that of Runic Air Domes:
Thus, Force Domes have a maximum diameter of 2 kilometres, so a maximum radius of one kilometre. This means that trapping Akatsuki in a Force Dome would require us to get much closer than we would otherwise need to. Additionally, since it takes around a minute to form, it potentially provides warning to Akatsuki and allows them to buff up/reverse summon/whatever.
I suggest that both of you just cut this line. The benefits are marginal compared to Air Leadeners and we don't really expect any non-essies on site to survive the initial bombardment - and if they're off-site they likely won't be trapped by the dome anyway.
And Runic Air Domes have a maximum diameter (not radius!) of 1km.
Thus, Force Domes have a maximum diameter of 2 kilometres, so a maximum radius of one kilometre. This means that trapping Akatsuki in a Force Dome would require us to get much closer than we would otherwise need to. Additionally, since it takes around a minute to form, it potentially provides warning to Akatsuki and allows them to buff up/reverse summon/whatever.
I suggest that both of you just cut this line. The benefits are marginal compared to Air Leadeners and we don't really expect any non-essies on site to survive the initial bombardment - and if they're off-site they likely won't be trapped by the dome anyway.
Good catch, thanks.
I'm tempted to leave it in for discussion either way, and let Uplift/Oro opine on how much the risk increases with distance, and if it's worth it or not. Maybe even add a line specifically about these questions?
What do you think?
....actually, we can do better. Oro/Tsunade can keep up 20 SC for an hour. The Force dome blank can be kept on the 7th path, and can be infused in 30min.
So we get everyone ready, then send a Hazou SC to sneak/tunnel to the midpoint between under our fireing position and the rift fortress, where he sets up a force dome.
If someone starts running over to check on the ForceDome SC, we explode them with RER, explode the fortress with RER, then launch the already-prepared Essie Rush.
I think this is not likely to be worth it. Itachi may be able to teleport past the dome and may be able to bring passengers, Samehada might eat through it, any Akatsuki or even a non-Essie could use a tunnelling technique or seal to bypass the dome unless we set up Iron Earth too … it just seems so marginal and adds so much extra risk, compared to the very first warning Akatsuki gets being a coordinated RE alpha strike followed by the air turning nearly solid. (I don't know how long Air Leadener takes to activate, but we can hopefully time it so there's a minimal delay between our alpha strike and the activation - might still be a few combat rounds, though.)
Problem; if we need to run, we've just backed ourselves up against the wall of our own Force Dome and the rune to switch it off is a kilometre away from our firing position. Also, do we know how much substrate Force Dome takes? It seems like it might be a 125-pointer.
We have like 3 miles of SC range, Hazou Prime isn't gonna be on the fireing platform, he's gonna be waaaaaay back out of the way and outside of the dome.
The "Sunrise, Sunset" plan should qualify.
I mean, every action plan has nonzero risk of us/Hazou making a civilisation-ending oopsie, but this one isn't preparing to distribute "how to make an EM nuke".
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Let me check. The question was genuine. I didn't have much time to read anything.
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[X] Action Plan: Sunrise, Sunset
[X] Lore Update
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HAZŌ: I was talking about your sister by metaphysical extension.
KEI: What?
HAZŌ: Snowflake.
KEI, TURNING WHITE: Wh- I- How did you-
AMI, MYSTERIOUSLY THERE: You mean you don't want me?
HAZŌ: Er, well, that is...
KEI: Hazō, be clear about your meaning. Which of them do you want?
HAZŌ, FINALLY READY TO PLAY THAT GAME: Yes.
2.5 miles, of which 2 km is already consumed if we want Orochimaru's clones to be able to reach the whole dome (assuming that all the Primes are staying back with Hazou to guard him from e.g. outranging Jashinist patrols). I suppose we could, but then we can't shoot at any Akatsuki who make it outside the dome with REs and also all our clones/summons are stuck in the Dome and can't help. And keeping any REs/clones/summons back reduces the power of our assault.
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I'm not sure what you mean by this?
Not sure what we're supposed to be ruling on in this question.
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Is the difficulty of a Tweak based on how different it is from the original spec of the jutsu, or on the overall spec of the Tweak? Which is to say, more complex jutsu are much harder to Tweak than simple ones.
So in the latter case, Tweaking something like WDB to attack at +2AB intrinsic is much much harder than tweaking Water Whip to attack at +2AB intrinsic, since WDB is a much more complex overall ninjutsu (I assume).
Versus in the former case the WDB Tweak is easier than the WW Tweak, since WDB already attacks at +AB intrinsic so the difference between the specs is overall less.
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When Tweaking a ninjutsu, is the difficulty of the project based on the objective statblock of the entire resultant Tweak, or is the difficulty based on the differences of the Tweaked Statblock, when compared to the original statblock?
[X] Action Plan: Sunrise, Sunset
I think this has been answered in-story since, actually:
Runes have shape, they're not just substrate embedded in a lump of solid matrix. As we saw with the Rift-Opening rune, that shape can be quite intricate.
My question was whether burnt-out runes retained the fine details of their external shape or if the "mass of black crystal" description indicated that those were lost.
Could you go into more detail? What about cut blanks takes the most time to repair? Imagining we use force claws for clean cuts, cut where the rune is thinnest and get away with one cut per hundred kilogram piece.
Is it remaking the chakra pathways?
The intent is to act prosocial unless Orochimaru starts acting antisocial. Then we tell him about the dead man's switches. It's just not polite to threaten people like that.
This is a good point, the Force Dome takes ~minute to form so perhaps we start bombardment, activate the rune, and then rush in with the clones/Summons, so that the expendables are trapped in the Dome with the remnants of the fortress? That seems pretty good.
Force Dome is a 25-pointer.
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Err on the side of initial bombardment hitting opposite side of the fortress, both so folks fleeing explosions crash into the oncoming zoo rush, and to obliterate terrain so there's a clear space for the force wall to form.
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I really don't want us getting a bioseal from Snuncle yet (or possibly ever); IMO being on his operating table leaves us too vulnerable. We don't know biosealing, and if the bioseal he gives us turns out to be malignant in the medium-term (before we learn biosealing), there's not really anything we can do about it.
What incentives does he have to not sabotage/subvert us in the medium-to-long term?
I really don't want us getting a bioseal from Snuncle yet (or possibly ever); IMO being on his operating table leaves us too vulnerable. We don't know biosealing, and if the bioseal he gives us turns out to be malignant in the medium-term (before we learn biosealing), there's not really anything we can do about it.
What incentives does he have to not sabotage/subvert us in the medium-to-long term?