Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
I think my comment on this line might have gotten lost in the weeds, but I think it would go over better if we say instead the honest truth here: damage is easy, delivery is hard. We have one good kill-you weapon to deploy, and half a dozen utility runes that try to deny the Akatsuki options. If we had an abundance of time we would have gone back for more weapons at some point, but our eyes were on the ball here. Even Force Dome and Iron Earth we've been imagining offensive applications for at O'Uzu.
If we say we spent all that time not actually serious about killing the Akatsuki, he's gonna think we're a moron and get upset that we wasted our time.
(The part of the line where we say that other research didn't pan out is still fine, to be clear.)
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- Texas
The dome doesn't need to be centered on the Akatsuki. You can offset it and have the Akatsuki be near the edge of the FD, and the RE2.0s and such 2 km away in the other direction.
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- USA
253 units of substrate remain.
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- USA
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- He/Him
Stone-building technology isn't that advanced in MfD – they have concrete, they can pile rocks up, etc. Also, stone walls are rarely built a meter thick.
All that to say, it's not a simple question. A RE2.0 would convert a 'piled up fieldstone' wall into a giant claymore. It would trivially destroy a normal-thickness concrete wall. Would it go through a meter of solid granite? Maybe? You haven't tested it yet.
A RE2.0 cannot destroy a force wall per se, although it can destroy the seals which support the force wall, thereby causing the force wall to shut off.
Combining these, what happens if it hits a stone wall with a force wall behind it? If the blast would have destroyed the wall, it destroys the wall and then hits the force wall and probably destroys the seals that support it. If it wasn't going to destroy the wall then the force wall will also be protected.
Yeesh. You literally saw him call out "Wood Element: <technique name>" and then a bunch of wood appeared (insert dirty joke here). What does it take to convince you if you won't trust your own eyes/ears?
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- Simping for DSB
The CR rollback for BoC30 might have been a fairly substantial improvement to our bargaining position. Oro is going to be the sole arbiter of which Runes get made until we can sink 232 XP. Presumably that means no Time runes, too. At a base rate of 4 xp/day, that's 58 days.
If we don't hit 4 xp/day then the CR 39 training plan is going to cost us at least 2 months of time dilation (ignoring SC FOOM).
If we don't hit 4 xp/day then the CR 39 training plan is going to cost us at least 2 months of time dilation (ignoring SC FOOM).
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- Texas
We are looking at an immediate need vs long term gains. Your math isn't wrong, but it doesn't matter when the big battle is happening imminently.
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- Texas
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If we can't summon Cannai, then we got literally no benefit whatsoever.
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- USA
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- He/Him
Sadly, neither of the leading plans (which are tied as of now!) involve attempting to summon Cannai. :<
selling my vote to whoever adds a cannai summon attempt btw
on further thought we still have a medium consequence so we can't do it immediately and people have argued to me that we should try to not have a medium when talking to Oro. tsk
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- Texas
If you find a way to time travel and get that information to us in the past, let me know please 🙏
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- United States
I'm sure that's just a temporary oversight.
Anywho. @Left-Hand Mutant @Sir Stompy if one of you adds a bullet where Hazō asks Cannai to hold onto some runic blanks and written guides to PS in case Hazō dies, I'll vote for your plan!
Obviously if the QMs then answer my question saying that the runic blanks and written guides and the two examples of infused runes Kagome would have access to won't be enough to reverse engineer things, just take it out.
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- Simping for DSB
Math about the time dilation XP is a secondary concern to relying on Oro for the raw material. He has monopoly pricing power for substrate use right now. All of these plans about deadman switches are implicitly about being treated as a peer and an asset. Without substrate capabilities, Hazo isn't a peer actor. He is (at best) a widget that can weaponize some of Oro's resources. We have to hope that we can weaponize his substrate efficiently enough to be worth keeping around.
Shikamaru using a Wood Element technique in a scenario where we could definitively verify that he didn't either have cheat seals on him or plant them in the area in advance. (Producing something that wouldn't fit in a storage seal would be insufficient, since it's entirely plausible that there exist seals which create wooden constructs - it works with Earth and Wind.) Alternatively, Noburi could check him for Element use as he casts the technique.
Will edit, thanks for the reminder.
The QMs have literally said Hazoupilot won't do this. Why are you still insisting on it?
We have enough substrate to continue using TRs for the foreseeable future. Our next step is probably to unstagnate combat twice, dump all our XP into TH and then try to hack ES. All of which can happen after the Riftwar
Unnecessary —> unnecessarily. @Sir Stompy , you have this error as well.
New —> news.
These should be their own bullet points rather than under the Leaf bullet, I think.
I'm split between the two leading plans here. On the one hand, I'm not a fan of risking civilisation with an EM nuke deadman switch, or of getting a CR-increasing bioseal from Oro; on the other hand, Sir Stompy's plan goes into somewhat more detail than LeftHandMutant's about our capabilities and plans, like explicitly bringing up our substrate limitations, and I feel that we need some deterrent against Oro killing us.
Oh, speaking of which, @Left-Hand Mutant , did you give up on the asking-Oro-to-prefabricate-substrate thing? If so, why?
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- Yes.
[X] Action Plan: Sunrise, Sunset
@Sir Stompy Some of these suggestions may apply to you as well.
@Sir Stompy Some of these suggestions may apply to you as well.
Raincheck on this, but a part of me is going "ALARM ALARM SCREAMING IN KAGOME" at the suggestion of disclosing Naruto's secret orders. I make no comment on whether it is a good idea or not yet, but am simply voicing my paranoid concern.
Spellcheck: "News" blackout, not "new" blackout.
Suggestion: Also include Iron Earth Rune to prevent the obvious burrowing shenanigans.
I'd coach this as us suggesting that involving Leaf should be done from the start: something like "Has Leaf been linked in yet?" or similar could be said.
@Left-Hand Mutant
While I understand well your opposition to the bioseals, what's the problem with the EM Nuke dead man's switch? Seems like something we'd want to have no matter what.
While I understand well your opposition to the bioseals, what's the problem with the EM Nuke dead man's switch? Seems like something we'd want to have no matter what.
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- The Void
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- She/Her
This is just factually incorrect. Every summoner even without being able to summon their boss still can provide multiple jounin level combatants with Noburi.
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- Can’t say. I know my momentum.
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- UK
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- He/Him
This is actually a cunning and ancient art I learned from @eaglejarl himself, designed to make sure everybody has a chance to read the chapter where they might otherwise only see the main story. But why not. I can move it early.
Noumero
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Here, @Sir Stompy. Should be just under 400.
- Authorize Mari's EM-Nuke dead man's switch.
- Make another one with Cannai, sending messages about EM Nukes to Leaf Summoners.
- Sanity-check the rest with everyone.
- Meet Orochimaru.
- Send only Mari and Hazou, both as SCs. Avoid looking at potential seal elements.
- Primes camp at the edge of SC range, under cover and concealment. Use SCSA/SSSA, Ninja Radar, etc.
- Be ready to flee if things go south.
- If the Medium heals en route, re-attempt to summon Cannai before meeting Orochimaru. Noburi provides immediate treatment.
- Create the SC for meeting Orochimaru before the attempt (so the SC's Consequence-free).
- Send only Mari and Hazou, both as SCs. Avoid looking at potential seal elements.
- Discuss the Riftwar:
- Tone: cooperating on a mutually beneficial goal. Cover all points, but be concise. Don't extend the conversation unnecessarily.
- Inform him about our capabilities: Air Leadening, Icarus, Force Dome, Iron Earth, RER1/2, Ninja Radar.
- If he's disappointed, tell him many research avenues didn't pan out, and we prioritized protecting Leaf (per Naruto's orders).
- Mention Rift Runes only if pressed. DON'T mention TRs.
- Hazou and potentially Noburi's Bosses agreed to be Summoned for this fight.
- Noburi enables refilled SCs of S-Rankers on our side. Like during the Dragonwar.
- Suggested attack plan:
- Trap them inside a Force Dome.
- Open with a Multi-RER barrage under a max-range Air Leadener.
- Precision fire at slowed survivors via (now-calibrated/sighted) RERs.
- Mop up via S-rank SCs + Bosses.
- Unsolved problems:
- Hazou's most powerful offensive runes cannot be transported by storage or 7th Path. They must be shaped on-site.
- Can we get 4+ hours within 2 miles of their fortress?
- Does Orochimaru has expanded storage seals, or a simlar solution?
- Hazou cannot produce substrate. For mass-producing runes, we'd need Orochimaru's assistance.
- (If Cannai's summoning failed) Hazou doesn't have the reserves to summon Cannai.
- Hazou suspects Orochimaru has a bioseal to increase chakra reserves. Ordinarily, Hazou wouldn't ask for unearned power, but given the circumstances, would Orochimaru be willing to apply it to Hazou?
- If it's permanent, we'd owe him a commensurate favor.
- Hazou suspects Orochimaru has a bioseal to increase chakra reserves. Ordinarily, Hazou wouldn't ask for unearned power, but given the circumstances, would Orochimaru be willing to apply it to Hazou?
- Our strongest offensive options require strategic amounts of chakra. We'd expected Leaf to supply it.
- Is there any reason not to involve Leaf? They provide two additional S-Rankers, several Summoners (potentially with Bosses), and chakra.
- Be alert for his answer. Mari: attempt to determine whether he's deceiving us.
- When does he plan to strike?
- Does he have any idea which Akatsuki members are on-site? Numbers of other forces?
- Hazou's most powerful offensive runes cannot be transported by storage or 7th Path. They must be shaped on-site.
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