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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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_The_Bomb said:
_THE_BOMB: EJ if we set up seal defenses around the Dogs would they be able to take an attack by leopard jonin? Assuming we had sufficient time.
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_The_Bomb said:
So, a few questions (which I am happy to repost in SV once I arrive home and get to use my computer again):
  • How good is the basic perimeter?
  • How good is a "competent" perimeter?
  • Would using shadow clones to set it up with him allow him to make it significantly faster?
  • How long would it take for him to set up traps[/defenses] that can kill Jōnin?
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I think we have at least two anti-jounin tricks. skyslicers, and undodgeable explosions.

We know that there is nearby grassland with no cover to allow Athletics to dodge explosions. let's find a large stretch of said grassland and set up camp there. unless the Jounin in question has MEW 50(or equivalent), they're in big trouble.

And skyslicers are skyslicers. If they got Kakuzu, they'll get a jounin. We can even set them inside/above a ring of BRI spikes for good measure, it'll make them even harder to spot, an prevent anyone from getting a close look.
 
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MMKII said:
How do you figure? Even in flat terrain, there is going to be a contested Athletics roll vs the explosion TN for someone finding a divot or jumping out of the way or diving for cover fast enough.
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eaglejarl said:
Unless stated otherwise, zones are always assumed to have sufficient terrain features that it's possible to dive for cover from an explosion. (And yes, this refers only to land-based zones, not air or water zones, since that is in fact a question that came up in thread! :p ) People can reposition freely within the zone on their initiative so it's usually not possible to take cover from a single-target attack if someone wants to get you. This is the default unless stated otherwise.

'Grassland' means essentially flat and little ground cover. Everyone is in sight of everyone in the zone at all times unless they have some specific ninjutsu or etc to change that.

'Especially flat grassland' means that there isn't even enough cover to avoid an explosion.
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MMKII said:
How do you figure? Even in flat terrain, there is going to be a contested Athletics roll vs the explosion TN for someone finding a divot or jumping out of the way or diving for cover fast enough.
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Great question!
eaglejarl on discord said:
It's not explicitly part of the rules, but we do make judgement calls on whether or not it's possible to dodge an explosion.
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eaglejarl said:
'Grassland' means essentially flat and little ground cover. Everyone is in sight of everyone in the zone at all times unless they have some specific ninjutsu or etc to change that.

'Especially flat grassland' means that there isn't even enough cover to avoid an explosion.
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We find a several-zone patch of this "especially flat grassland" and dig in there. dogs and SC can clear stray bits of cover as needed.
If we have 10 minutes, we can even use ES to really flatten out the area, but that's a bit chancy.
 
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Left-Hand Mutant said:
Great question!



We find a several-zone patch of this "especially flat grassland" and dig in there. dogs and SC can clear stray bits of cover as needed.
If we have 10 minutes, we can even use ES to really flatten out the area, but that's a bit chancy.
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Oh, I see!

Hmmm. Interesting. I would be hesitant to engage on such terrain without preparing some Substitution targets in advance somehow, but otherwise it's fine.

It's not clear to me that Hazou has the skill to use explosives at range in combat, without just having clones of some variety run in and suicide bomb at melee or something, but I suppose that "They cannot dodge without popping some other abilities" might cover that (or force them to otherwise use said abilities).
 
Our seal fortress/camps were attacked at least twice, once in Isan:
eaglejarl said:
Chapter 50: A Bonfire of Tapirs
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Where we then had to hide insade a cave and had Takahashi ultimatly save us.


And once in a now non-canon chapter during the chunnin exams that was pretty chaotic:
eaglejarl said:
Chapter 162: Best Laid Plans
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Now we attack inside Leopard and want to wait? Seems arrogant and invites a competend force. We really have better options to get the full 12 kills.
 
MMKII said:
Hmmm. Interesting. I would be hesitant to engage on such terrain without preparing some Substitution targets in advance somehow, but otherwise it's fine.
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We have plenty sub targets in storage seals. Make some MEW cover in the zone(s) we're fortifying and drop the sub targets nearby.

MMKII said:
It's not clear to me that Hazou has the skill to use explosives at range in combat, without just having clones of some variety run in and suicide bomb at melee or something, but I suppose that "They cannot dodge without popping some other abilities" might cover that (or force them to otherwise use said abilities).
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Just drop them on the ground or bury them a few cm deep. Activate via MARS.

And Hazou's academy training in enough that he can yeet a kunai into a zone of his choice as a standard action. Still, I prefer to blow up all the zones as a supplemental action.

In either case the minimum dodge number for implosion seals is 50(I think), and 60 for goo bombs. This is true even in the hands of a genin.
 
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped

Based on what we know of Noburi's schedule, can we expect to get a chakra refill if we visited him right now? Can we spend an FP to Declare that he's around?

Cansaku appears to be the junior dog on the mission. Is he willing to be Hazou's Summon? If he is, what is his chakra cost? I'm trying to determine if refilling via Nobs is net positive or negative on chakra.
 
Sir Stompy said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped

Based on what we know of Noburi's schedule, can we expect to get a chakra refill if we visited him right now? Can we spend an FP to Declare that he's around?

Cansaku appears to be the junior dog on the mission. Is he willing to be Hazou's Summon? If he is, what is his chakra cost? I'm trying to determine if refilling via Nobs is net positive or negative on chakra.
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Could we not figure that out? The only thing we did was cast PEA and boost, right? PEA I remember us expensive, but that's largely because upkeep cost, right? One round between those two things would cost less than 100 Chakra? I don't see a viable combatant being below 50 at the absolute least. Combine that with the risk of being away and less prep time, and the natural Regen if it's more than a few minutes, and I don't think it's worth the trade-off. Especially if it costs another fate point to declare. Is that a reasonable analysis?
Also, if they get ambushed while we're gone and we summon one, that could go very badly. As would being reverse summoned in that situation.
 
eaglejarl said:
You have. You were on a battlefield, in actual danger, and you contributed meaningfully to the fight.
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Beyond the stagnation thing, did this fight actually contribute to the twelve commanded kills? It was supposed to be twelve proactive reprisal murders on Leopard territory. This was an attack on raiders during patrol (I think). On which side of the border did this chapter's fight happen?
 
Rafin said:
Beyond the stagnation thing, did this fight actually contribute to the twelve commanded kills? It was supposed to be twelve proactive reprisal murders on Leopard territory. This was an attack on raiders during patrol (I think). On which side of the border did this chapter's fight happen?
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You killed two and captured two heavily wounded ones that you will interrogate and (presumably, unless @roobee gets traction and these guys prove to be innocents) kill.

That's four.

It was on the Leopard side.
 
Wait, Sunday's going to be an interlude, right?

[X] Interlude: Noburi's S-rank Bootcamp
[X] Interlude: Sasha's Graduation
[X] Interlude: Jin Plays Catch Trains Honoka on Reaction Speed and Hand-Eye Coordination
[X] Interlude: Bakuchioka, Revisited
[X] Interlude: Mari Checks in on Yuuma
[X] Interlude: Ino Completes Her Technique Hacking Apprenticeship
 
Halberdier said:
Could we not figure that out? The only thing we did was cast PEA and boost, right? PEA I remember us expensive, but that's largely because upkeep cost, right?
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No upkeep cost on PEA, it's all upfront. Now @eaglejarl said we cast PEA at Effect 2 in the text but wrote the numbers for Effect 3, also it makes more sense to cast it at Effect 3. So I think we're down 30 CP (Boost) + 79 (PEA) = 109 CP

We could fight again, but we would need to rest after that.

We could also make 2 shadow clones to help us dig in if we had a good chance of Noburi refill afterwards. (Dig in, dismiss the clones, Unsummon, RS to Nobs, overcharge by 5% and Unsummon, then RS to the squad.)
 
Sir Stompy said:
Just FYI interlude voters, they're not closing voting tomorrow. All your votes will probably be counted in the tally for Wednesday.
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eaglejarl said:
PSA: Chapter updated, voting is open. It will close next Wednesday, the 19. Sunday will be an interlude unless @Velorien or @Paperclipped really want to write for Sunday in which case we'll close voting on Saturday as usual. I very much doubt that will happen as they are both busy.
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Well unless technically a GM has other ideas. Have some fun @Sir Stompy.

@eaglejarl , @Velorien , @Paperclipped , have some fun as well. What do you want us to do?
 
RandomOTP said:
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @Paperclipped

At what level of a given jutsu will Hazou be able to make jutsu scrolls? Does THing an entirely new jutsu allow him to make a scroll (of that specific jutsu) at a reduced level, if he is the one who made it?

Possible answers include...

  • Normal ninja, learning a new, but previously extant, jutsu...
    • ...must level the jutsu to level 10 before they are able to make a scroll out of it.
    • ...must demonstrate frequent use of it. This is typically represented by the ninja leveling it to 10, but is not strictly required (ex: a ninja casts MARI frequently for Till'n'Fill missions, but doesn't level MEW)
  • A Technique Hacker, learning an entirely new, but extant, jutsu...
    • ...must level it up 10 before they can make a jutsu scroll
    • ...Must level the jutsu to level 5 before they can make a jutsu scroll. A Technique Hacker has special insight into the inner workings of jutsu, and are able to understand the mechanics of a jutsu more easily than a layman.
  • A Technique Hacker, wishing to make a jutsu scroll out of one of their creations...
    • ...must level their jutsu to level 10, as well as waiting [an amount of time] for their jutsu to settle.
    • ...must level their jutsu to level 5, as well as waiting [an amount of time] for their jutsu to settle.
    • ...must first wait [amount of time] after the initial creation for the jutsu to settle. As the creator of said jutsu, they are intimately familiar with the mechanical underpinnings of said jutsu, and may make a scroll as soon as the jutsu settles appropriately.

Player Suggestions:
  • The Technique Hacking Stunt should apply to jutsu scrolls in some way, to represent how their specialist knowledge about jutsu and jutsu mechanics goes well-beyond that of a layman. I would recommend that a THer should, by default, be able to make jutsu scrolls sooner than a layman. Or perhaps gated behind an early-level stunt (THing 10 or 15, perhaps).
  • A Technique Hacker, in addition to having a specialist's insight into jutsu mechanics, should have a particularly intimate knowledge with their own creations. I would recommend that they be able to make jutsu scrolls of their own creations at a far lower level than previously-extant jutsu. If this is to be gated behind a stunt, then it should be an early-level stunt (15 or 20, perhaps).
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Any ninja can create a scroll of a technique they know, assuming they have levelled it to at least 20 (though this requirement does not apply to ninjutsu-as-stunts). Technique hackers can create scrolls of a technique they invented at level 10, representing the fact that, unlike an ordinary user, they know exactly which parts are important and why, without any of the errors, superstitions, etc. that creep in when ninjutsu are taught ordinarily through a mostly-oral tradition. Technique hackers receive no bonus with other ninjutsu, since the ability to use the technique and the ability to give clear instructions are unconnected to Technique Hacking; the former is represented by the technique level, while the latter is determined by characterisation (by analogy, it does not take a programmer to explain how to use a program to the end user, nor does programming skill translate into teaching skill).

Sir Stompy said:
Is Noburi available in Toad for a quick chakra refill?
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He's not sitting there twiddling his thumbs but there is a standard check-in time about 4-5 hours from now.

Left-Hand Mutant said:
hmmmm, are there any low-CR dogs present?

It would be really helpful to make a one-off contract and to go to Noburi for a chakra top-up, but if all the dogs present cost 200+ chakra, there isn't much point.

If not, could we spend an FP to have included a young-adult dog with low CR, or a small low-CR noncombatant(in an armoured backpack protected by force claws)?
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No low cost dogs present, sorry. Not the kind of thing they want you to bring on a combat mission.

ContextBot said:
[X] Interlude: Kei dreaming Ami and Snowflake dating Hazou
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This is instantly on the shortlist. Sorry, @eaglejarl, but Kei and Ami and Snowflake and romcom? I feel like I'm staring at the Interlude Dragon of Beauty.
 
Velorien said:
Any ninja can create a scroll of a technique they know, assuming they have levelled it to at least 20 (though this requirement does not apply to ninjutsu-as-stunts). Technique hackers can create scrolls of a technique they invented at level 10, representing the fact that, unlike an ordinary user, they know exactly which parts are important and why, without any of the errors, superstitions, etc. that creep in when ninjutsu are taught ordinarily through a mostly-oral tradition. Technique hackers receive no bonus with other ninjutsu, since the ability to use the technique and the ability to give clear instructions are unconnected to Technique Hacking; the former is represented by the technique level, while the latter is determined by characterisation (by analogy, it does not take a programmer to explain how to use a program to the end user, nor does programming skill translate into teaching skill).
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Thanks for the answer! ^.^

(We're going to need pyramid support for more 20-stats, anyway... it's Uplift Time, y'all >:3)


Velorien said:
This is instantly on the shortlist. Sorry, @eaglejarl, but Kei and Ami and Snowflake and romcom? I feel like I'm staring at the Interlude Dragon of Beauty.
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[Visibly restraining self]
I would like this in the normal, socially-polite, not-at-all-feral amount.
 
Also, Very Sleepy, Words difficult, but insert standard-but-genuine thanks to the QMs for their hard work. Collaboration between individuals with different schedules is hard enough, let alone factoring different time zones and different land masses. Also, that two dozen "lighthouse and make research" updates aren't likely fun or interesting to write, from a creative standpoint, and I can see how it becomes more an "obligation" than a "hobby."

[Pushes pile of gratitude to @eaglejarl, @Velorien and @Paperclipped ]
 
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