redzonejoe
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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I don't think he would have. How much time does he spend 200 feet away from Fifi in contexts where he would expect her to react to him as a person and notice that she doesn't? In my experience, once you are more than a few metres away from a cat, you cease to exist to it unless it has business with you or you specifically bring yourself to its attention (e.g. with sudden sharp movements or loud noises).
I was asking about the specific case. Over the last few years, I've been constantly seeing "X and I" where I expected "X and me", and I was starting to wonder if it was one of those pernicious linguistic shifts like "decimate" becoming a synonym for "devastate".
(The other big one is "evidently" being used to mean 'apparently", e.g. "Evidently, mantises are able to sense echolocation.")
Cariyaga
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Well, that's just making my point for me then
But fair. Point stands that he could ask how much better their eyesight is than dogs and work things out from there, though.
Can we include a definition for "SCSA" and "SSSA" somewhere in this post? it's the first time they've been used in thread, and it took me a minute to figure out.
Plus, we want to be friendly to future confused people searching the first use of the acronym.
Thoughts on Option B:
First off, please add some version of the sentence "If we can find a nearby area where the surrounding terrain offers little/no cover from explosives, set up there.". This is easy and very high-impact.
I'd also suggest setting an ascending series of skytowers the dogs can jump up, so that in the off chance the troop runs out of chakra before running out of Leopards, we can all retreat to the highest tower, use MARS to drop the lower platforms, then leapfrog back home on skytowers.
Hazou can just skywalk/unsummon, but the dogs deserve an exit strategy to.
Thoughts on Option A:
It's unclear, but does this involve leaving behind examples of SCSA and FSB for the Leopards to recover? I don't know if they have a summoner, but I prefer to avoid distributing copies of our seals like that. not a huge deal, but I don't like it.
This seems like it has the mission shifting from "punitive counterraiding" to "battlefront tactics".
Also, who's supposed to spot the stealthmode Lepoards creeping across the border? Hazou? with his Alertness?
And how are we going to trap a wide enough area of the border to catch wherever the Lepoards decide to cross? I don't think we can practically trap several kilometers of border.
If were are going to start seriously fortifying the border, I'd like to talk to Kei and Cannai first, not rush it out during what was supposed to be a raiding mission calculated to send a very specific message.
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Lay out at least one skyslicer flush with the surface of a lower platform, time the drop so a leopard falls through it. Sound tactics in its own right, and a poetic illustration of the raid's core purpose: "hassling dogs gets you cut."
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I like your thinking!
Do note that MARS can't conventionally deactivate seals(I think), so we probably drop the tower by exploding the FSB seals directly. I don't know if that's compatible with your idea.
It might be easier to just put some explosives on the outer surface of the skytower? where's the kitty gonna dodge to?
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In the case of the EM nuke, Hazō was experimenting with ninjutsu edge cases, something about which he had no knowledge and was therefore willing to overcompensate on safety. With sealing, Hazō already has a standard array of precautions which Kagome has blessed as borderline tolerable. For example, infusing runes using a shadow clone while Prime stays a safe distance away until it has been established that there's been no sealing failure or other disaster is perfectly reasonable. However, he will ignore paranoid impulses that don't make sense to him within the bounds of sealing safety as he currently understands it, an example of which would be staying miles away from a rune which has been successfully infused.
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Given Kagome's paranoia, this is likely the highest compliment Hazō will ever receive. Sorry Akane, sorry Ino, but it's all downhill from here
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The rules doc describes this in a pretty confusing way, in my opinion.
I think it's equivalent to "if you have N stress, then take P stress, you end up with N+P stress (unless this exceeds your stress track and/or you take consequences)", but I had to stare at it for a while to be confident in that, and at one point thought it was equivalent to "If you take N stress, your stress becomes N, unless it was already at least N, in which case it increments"
The big question in my mind is - are we going for Minatosealing?
(Also, can we do without Bones of Creation 30?)
Hm, we could probably get him to decide to apply extra precautions around runes in general, since they are more dangerous than seals.
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I think this is it? @MMKII
EDIT: Sorry the content is not there, but I'm on my phone and nested quoting is a bitch.
Hm, given that RARS was found to be feasible, I wonder if we could develop a seal array that'll deactivate a rune. That would be really useful.
This is immediately relevant to the current plan.
Sure
Do you want to set up there with the Dogs or just set some traps up there? I have no interest locking the entire team up where there's no cover, seems suicidal.
What's stopping the Leopards from following us up those platforms?
Yes it does. I think it's reasonable. It's not like 5SB and SCSA are original seals to Hazou.
They don't stealthmode while traveling, just during combat.
This isn't the intention, we are just putting some pickets up to detect if there's a battle group headed our way. Once they're detected we can jump them by guessing where they're headed and getting in front of them.
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It was this one about Disciple of the Beyond (nested quotes not working but its in the post):
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What about sending two shadow clones at once to check on a newly-infused far-beyond-blue HOWS rune, with one wearing armor made out of gold, and then when the unarmored clone pops (if spicy food can do that, surely it wouldn't take much of a full-body radiation dose), adding such armor as an additional standard precaution around such effects?
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I understand and accept the ruling, but I'm confused by one thing. Do I recall correctly that one runic hiccup froze all life on an island in time and another rapidly aged Hazo by a period of weeks? Even with the bit about 'successfully infused', it surprises me that Hazo would consider it nonsensical to stay several miles away from a novel rune, infusion or no. Is Hazopilot just that confident that any given novel rune contains no potential logic errors or similar unforeseen consequences?
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PONWOG it's not an intuitive idea. On the one hand, the danger with seals is sealing failures. Sealing failures have an unlimited magnitude of potential effect. If you're applying precautions at all, you should always apply the maximum precautions you think are practical for surviving sealing failures, not varying them according to a vague estimate of how bad the sealing failure might be. On the other hand, suppose you're applying whatever your usual (=maximum) precautions are in order to survive a paper sealing failure. Successful runes are orders of magnitude more powerful than successful paper seals. What are you going to do to prepare for an orders-of-magnitude greater sealing failure? Infuse from another continent?
So... that's an option now? Sweet.
[X] Runecrafting SOP: Infuse from another continent
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With runes, it's not just sealing failures you have to be careful of. It won't be a problem to test a successful explosive seal, but an explosive rune? With Runecraft there should be more focus on mitigating the effects of projects even aside from sealing failures.
It wouldn't have to be a lie. We could actually let them go in return for their information, there's no OPSEC leak concerns. Although if they are guilty it hurts to let murderers go free. So there is a tradeoff between that and (edit: the moral wrongness of) lying.
edit2: i guess if they viewed us as an invading army coming to kill them. it would hurt less to let them free. even if the moral details ends up being that we are still justified in killing them. for their crime of attacking us without talking first.
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[x] Action Plan: Justice, Commerce, and Politics
- to prisoners
- we are returning to dog where we will judge your crimes and your usefulness. if you are sufficiently innocent you will be spared. being sufficiently helpful will reduce the amount of innocence you need to be spared. no matter what we will not torture you. swear this (7path summons treat promises as a big deal).
- if you try to escape, attack, or do anything funny we will execute you then and there.
- if as we return more leopards come upon us. we will tell you to leave. do so in the opposite direction of the new leopards, at a slow jog pace and in a nonthreatening manner. do anything else and we will execute you.
- return to dog, keep on guard for any new leopards.
- if you make it to dog and find a safe location to stay for awhile. warn other dogs we just conducted a raid across the border and to not harm our prisoners. conduct a trial.
- if you have no justification to kill them, let them go
- if you have justification to kill them beyond a reasonable doubt but they only attacked you since they thought you were going to kill them or similar sympathetic reasons interrogate them for useful information. ask what other ways they can be helpful.
- if they are sufficiently helpful let them go. if they wish to return to leopard make sure they cross the border. if they wish to stay keep watch on them.
- if you let them go
- give them some food/goods from your seals. either for their inconvenience if innocent or for payment if helpful.
- tell them to spread the word that you are only targeting those harming dog. and will reward those who help dog.
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If we're unable to convince Hazo to take precautions about a Rune because it's "unintuitive" based on sealing or such we can just make a rune that has those properties but is very obvious to Hazo and that won't kill him. And then after the new rune, discovering this, he takes new precautions based on the new insights he's gained.
For example, we could have a rune that sprouts a bunch of lava, lightning or (something obvious and dangerous) once it's been successfully infused. So Hazo knows "ok" you have to check if a successfully infused rune is dangerous or not.
And if that doesn't work we can engineer some luck for Hazo by doing a sandwich research schedule.
1. Very obvious dangerous rune that Hazo would want to take super PARANOID precautions about.
2. Not obviously dangerous rune (that's actually a WMD or such based on knowledge the player base knows)
3. Very obviously dangerous rune that Hazo would want to take super PARANOID precautions about.
And be like "Hazo stays super far away from the research doing rune 1 and 3. And just decides because he's lazy to batch rune 2 using the same research caution as the others as he doesn't want to travel back and forth a billion times."
Oh look. On discovery, Rune 2 is super duper dangerous on infusion. We're super lucky Hazo decided to accidentally take all those safety precautions. How fortunate.
And it makes sense in character and is simulation-ist. Some people are just lucky and survive things they shouldn't have through shear dumb luck. A guy survived the 9/11 pentagon terrorist attack because he decided to go to the bathroom during the briefing. Another managed to survive two nuclear explosions in Japan. Etc.
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That does sound like a way to possibly justify metagaming, yes. Not saying it would work in all cases, but I salute the creativity.
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Okay, now I just need to find a way to take this logic, and make it apply to Hazou dating Snowflake... 🤔
If we're unable to convince Hazo to take precautions about marrying Ino because it's "unintuitive" based on feelings or such we can just make a sham marriage with Ami that has those properties but is very obvious to Hazo and will definitely kill him. And then after the new marriage, realizing this, he takes new precautions based on the new insights he's gained to his date with Snowflake.
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